Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Namaste All, This is a reference to Sri Lakshmana Swami, who it is claimed rec'd complete enlightenment at the feet of Ramana.'No Mind I am the Self', by David Godman. p 99, 100. He says the K-Sakti is synonymous with 'Mind' and doesn't rise at the muladhara but at the Heart Centre, not heart cakra. When Yogis make the K go from the muladhara to the sahasrara it takes place within their mind or their imagination. This fits with my own feeling that it is only attention that moves, moves on the concept of different cakras. K is everywhere for it is the Universal Mind. projected by the Goddess by use of the moving agent Prana. What people experience is the movemtnt of the pranas. According to Lakshaman one cannot feel K until the day of realisation.........ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 saktidasa wrote: > Namaste All, > > This is a reference to Sri Lakshmana Swami, who it is claimed rec'd > complete enlightenment at the feet of Ramana.'No Mind I am the Self', > by David Godman. p 99, 100. > > He says the K-Sakti is synonymous with 'Mind' and doesn't rise at the > muladhara but at the Heart Centre, not heart cakra. > > When Yogis make the K go from the muladhara to the sahasrara it takes > place within their mind or their imagination. > > This fits with my own feeling that it is only attention that moves, > moves on the concept of different cakras. > > K is everywhere for it is the Universal Mind. projected by the > Goddess by use of the moving agent Prana. What people experience is > the movemtnt of the pranas. According to Lakshaman one cannot feel K > until the day of realisation.........ONS....Tony. thank you tony this is quite interesting, the attitude in life of someone on the way to liberation undergoes changes (even if i never read books about it i would be very unsensitive to ignore it); one of the major changes mentionned by sri ramana is the melting of negative emotions in a short time as if swallowed in the self (my expression), he also mentionned a drastic reduction of sleep hours and a sustained enthusiasm on life, and many other "symptoms" that 'something' is going on; to me (and again i speak only first hand) these new unexpected 'events' always came (repeatedly) after a 2 to 4 hour moment of heavy 'alchemical' changes (like suspended in a weird space) accompanied by physical sensations very localized in the body that brought me in the morning to a sense of newness and strength. i never cared analyse it or classify it as k movements because ramana's views give a good distance to any "happening" but i wouldn't be surprised if other people did and they are difficult to blame. in conclusion, i have to say that the common dealing of people with negative emotions is so childish and painful that i really don't mind undergoing some evolutionary changes while waiting for the final "coup de grace". with kindness and happiness eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 Namaste.. All I can say is that I have experienced Kundalini Fire movement and it wasn't in my mind, my fantasy or imagination. One only needs to experience it once! John L. , "saktidasa" <saktidasa> wrote: > Namaste All, > > This is a reference to Sri Lakshmana Swami, who it is claimed rec'd > complete enlightenment at the feet of Ramana.'No Mind I am the Self', > by David Godman. p 99, 100. > > He says the K-Sakti is synonymous with 'Mind' and doesn't rise at the > muladhara but at the Heart Centre, not heart cakra. > > When Yogis make the K go from the muladhara to the sahasrara it takes > place within their mind or their imagination. > > This fits with my own feeling that it is only attention that moves, > moves on the concept of different cakras. > > K is everywhere for it is the Universal Mind. projected by the > Goddess by use of the moving agent Prana. What people experience is > the movemtnt of the pranas. According to Lakshaman one cannot feel K > until the day of realisation.........ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 , "John Logan" <johnrloganis> wrote: > All I can say is that I have experienced Kundalini Fire movement and > it wasn't in my mind, my fantasy or imagination. One only needs to > experience it once! Me too. It was kind of like a full-body orgasm with hallucinations. You know. dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 , "David King" <david.king@p...> wrote: > , "John Logan" > <johnrloganis> wrote: > > > All I can say is that I have experienced Kundalini Fire movement > and > > it wasn't in my mind, my fantasy or imagination. One only needs to > > experience it once! > > Me too. > > It was kind of like a full-body orgasm with hallucinations. > > You know. > > dave. Namaste, Exactly as I said moving prana, and hallucinations from wherelse but the mind.......ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 > > > > > All I can say is that I have experienced Kundalini Fire movement > > and > > > it wasn't in my mind, my fantasy or imagination. One only needs > to > > > experience it once! > > > > Me too. > > > > It was kind of like a full-body orgasm with hallucinations. > > > > You know. > > > > dave. > > Namaste, > > Exactly as I said moving prana, and hallucinations from wherelse but > the mind.......ONS...Tony. devi: whats is not in the mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 Dear all You could go on looking to explain for ever but its all words. Some would say the mind does not exist its just a bundle of thoughts. Its just our perception of what is going on. Ultimately God, or whatever label you or I care to use is unknowable by the mind and when we experienceThat for ourselves I suspect words are redundant and so is the mind. Of course we still need these in the world of form. Those who are Realized on this Satsang no doubt get great pleasure from the play of consciousness. I believe the best thing is not to take the mind too seriously. The moment you take up a mental position you and I are identifying with an illusion. My late Kundalini guru Guruji ( Dr Goels) said that Kundalini lived below Absolute Truth so from that I take it that K is also an illusion, if a useful one, and only God is. Incidently he also said we have as much free will as the tethered cow. Ramesh says the same and we just operate according to our script. I neither agree or disagree with them. Thats a disclaimer---- smiling, having fun. Practising for freedom from the egoic mind. Regards to all Chris H > > It was kind of like a full-body orgasm with hallucinations.> > > > You know.> > > > dave.> > Namaste,> > Exactly as I said moving prana, and hallucinations from wherelse but > the mind.......ONS...Tony.devi: whats is not in the mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 For those who have not had the experience, they have only words and opinions. For those who have had the experience, there are no words. And by way of further comment, "full body orgasm with hallucinations" is a Chakram cleansing event in the lower chakra, it is not the Kundalini Fire experience, with which there may or may not be visions. I recommend a study of Nisargadatta's THE EXPERIENCE OF NOTHINGNESS and note that there is process in consciousness, and only in the Absolute is there no process, no experience, and no CONSCIOUSNESS -- until then there is process, experience and consciousness. See Chapter 7 "When Consciousness Manifests, Duality Appears" in particular. Word games are fun, but used to invalidate is a form of the superior/inferior mentality -- and that is in mind, not Brahman, nor is it Love. Let there be Light on all paths, may all paths have a heart. John L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Hey John, , "John Logan" <johnrloganis> wrote: > Word games are fun, but used to invalidate is a form of the > superior/inferior mentality -- and that is in mind, not Brahman, nor > is it Love. That's the trouble with words: as soon as you invalidate superior views, your view becomes superior. ;-) I think Nagarjuna was good at this, a no-view kinda guy. I notice more and more my tendency to contract into a self (versus another self) when discussing or debating an interesting topic. Hopefully, this can serve as a reminder to find out who is writing all these words. Thanks for sharing your experience and reading references. namaste, david. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Hi John, David John: Word games are fun, but used to invalidate is a form of the superior/inferior mentality -- and that is in mind, not Brahman, nor is it Love. David: That's the trouble with words: as soon as you invalidate superior views, your view becomes superior. ;-) I think Nagarjuna was good at this, a no-view kinda guy. Buddha: "By not holding to fixed views The pure-hearted one, having clarity of vision. Being freed from all sense-desires, Is not born again into this world."--- Quote from the Metta Sutta x 3 With Loving Kindness Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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