Spirituality involves speculation, philosophy does not. - for John:-)

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"John Logan" <johnrloganis

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Sunday, July 06, 2003 2:07 AM

Re: Spirituality involves speculation, philosophy

does not. - for Joyce

 

> Hi,

> I was actually not addressing you in particular, rather I was making

> remarks in general.

 

Hi John...

 

I knew that you were making remarks in general, but what you

wrote resonated with me such that I wrote my thoughts, to the

extent that there is a "flip" side to every coin :-) All part of the

"Big Mystery." (I love it when you talk Native American :-)

 

(snip)

> The illusion is that we are separate, and we are not. The Buddhist

> term is "interdependent" to underscore that we are all in this

> together, from the ground on which we stand to the fartherest star.

 

Amen

 

> Blessings,

> John L.

 

Love,

 

Joyce

 

 

 

 

 

>

> , "jjsassoc" <ladyjoy@v...>

> wrote:

> > Re: Spirituality involves speculation,

> philosophy

> > does not.

> >

> > John L wrote...

> > > Hi,

> > > I don't agree with the "Subject line" of this thread, but I do

> > > identify with the thoughts being expressed here.

> > >

> > > I find it very interesting that there is such a drive to "worship"

> > > something; and then, identifying with the thing worshipped, one

> comes

> > > to feel superior to others who are so lacking as to not worship

> > > the "something".

> >

> > Hi John...

> >

> > In my experience, I don't feel as if I drove anywhere to worship

> > "something." I feel more as if I was driven to the "something". I

> *felt*

> > something, something I cannot deny. And I fully accept that I will

> move on

> > as time goes by. I have already gone through many changes.

> > There has been one coincidence after another which will crop up

> > and somehow I will find myself in another, different place

> > than I was the week or the month before. While it is exciting, I

> will admit

> > that sometimes it is also traumatic, so much has happened so fast.

> >

> > Even though intellectualy I know it is all an *illusion* and I am

> even

> > willing to accept that premise (being that I am outnumbered) , it

> sure felt

> > real to me :-) And I do not feel superior to others who do not

> worship the

> > "something." As a matter of fact, there are times when I feel

> somewhat self

> > conscious of my devotion, especially when I read about how it

> is "better" to

> > be something other than what I am. That there is no form, and that

> when you

> > worship form, you are somehow inferior to those who do not worship

> form,

> > etcetera, etcetera...I am where I am on my path; so Be It.

> >

> > Even that has changed in a subtle fashion for me too. I am kind of

> betwixt

> > and between right now. But the feelings and the memories are still

> there

> > and I do not want to lose them, for it is what keeps me grounded

> > and um, sane.

> >

> > > I find it very interesting to find in myself this very desire,

> and to

> > > search for others with whom to share my "path".

> >

> > The Infinite seeking Itself?

> > Infinity seeking infinity?

> > For me, the comfort of affinity.

> > All in the Oneness of Divinity.

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Joyce

> >

> >

> > > , "Benjamin Root"

> > > <orion777ben> wrote:

> > > > Namaste Tony,

> > > >

> > > > I see you are over here too. In fact, I have noticed

> > > > something interesting now that I've searched other

> > > > Advaitin related lists. The same one or two dozen

> > > > usual suspects contribute regularly to these various

> > > > lists. I can't understand why there are not more,

> > > > out of a pool of over 6 billion people.

> > > >

> > > > Anyhow, I agree with what you said. Most people

> > > > need something 'objective' (i.e. conceptual) to believe

> > > > in, or they get confused. This means dogmas and

> > > > deities in one form or another. And you have to

> > > > admit that the negative formless approach is indeed

> > > > abstract and difficult. My feeble understanding of it

> > > > has to do with a 'vast cosmic feeling', as I said earlier.

> > > > This is also Consciousness whch is Everything.

> > > > Please feel free to criticize my quaint idea. It works

> > > > for me! (As an idea, not yet a realization)

> > > >

> > > > Om!

> > > > Benjamin

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "Tony O'Clery"

> > > <aoclery> wrote:

> > > > > > Would anyone like to offer an opinion on why the teachings

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > Buddha, which are totally Advaitic, ended up with a huge

> Bhakti

> > > > > > religion. Excepting some areas like Sri Lanka and Burma.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > /join

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The Heart is the Self. The Self is the Heart.

> > >

> > > Your use of is subject to

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> /join

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> The Heart is the Self. The Self is the Heart.

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> Your use of is subject to

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