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- tara217 (AT) webtv (DOT) net

DailyDharma

Monday, August 04, 2003 8:46 PM

[DailyDharma] EMBRACE SUFFERING: Monday Evening Quote

"Without suffering, you cannot grow. Without suffering you cannot

getthe peace and joy you deserve. Please do not run away from

yoursuffering. Embrace it and cherish it. Go to the Buddha, sit with

him andshow him your pain. He will look at you with kindness,

compassion, andmindfulness and show you ways to embrace your

suffering and look deeplyinto it. With understanding and compassion,

you will be able to heal thewounds in your heart, and the wounds in

the world. The Buddha calledsuffering a Holy Truth, because our

suffering has the capacity ofshowing us the way to liberation.

Embrace your suffering and let itreveal to you the way of

peace."~Thich Nhat HanhFrom the book, "The Heart of The Buddha's

Teaching," published byParallax

Press.http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0938077813/angelincBlessings

to all. May peace and peace and peace be

everywhere.________________________________May all beings be happy.

May they be free from suffering. May they be at

peace._________________________________Your use of is

subject to the

[Guest guest]

Tuesday morning response...thank you Gloria for forwarding this message to us :-)

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Gloria Lee

Cc: MillionPaths

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:04 AM

Fw: [DailyDharma] EMBRACE SUFFERING: Monday Evening Quote

- tara217 (AT) webtv (DOT) net

DailyDharma

Monday, August 04, 2003 8:46 PM

[DailyDharma] EMBRACE SUFFERING: Monday Evening Quote

"Without suffering, you cannot grow. Without suffering you cannot

getthe peace and joy you deserve. Please do not run away from

yoursuffering. Embrace it and cherish it. Go to the Buddha, sit with

him andshow him your pain. He will look at you with kindness,

compassion, andmindfulness and show you ways to embrace your

suffering and look deeplyinto it. With understanding and compassion,

you will be able to heal thewounds in your heart, and the wounds in

the world. The Buddha calledsuffering a Holy Truth, because our

suffering has the capacity ofshowing us the way to liberation.

Embrace your suffering and let itreveal to you the way of

peace."~Thich Nhat HanhFrom the book, "The Heart of The Buddha's

Teaching," published byParallax

Press.http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0938077813/angelincBlessings

to all. May peace and peace and peace be

everywhere.________________________________May all beings be happy.

May they be free from suffering. May they be at

peace._________________________________Your use of is

subject to the

/join

"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Your use of is subject to

the

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Joyce. I enjoyed so much readong your story of attending the dharma

conference recently...it was very well-written and gave such

vividdescriptions of your experience there. For others here would

like to see it, go to Nonduality.com and look

for "Garden of One" by Joyce.

http://www.nonduality.com/news1.htm

Review of the Global Dharma Conference 2003 in Raritan, New Jersey,

July 25-27. "This event is an opportunity to reflect on Dharma as a

state of nature, a state of being that must reflect in our personal

and professional lives," (New Jersey Governor James E McGreevey)

said. "Here in the US, Dharma has influenced many moments, from

Emerson to Thoreau to the teachings of Gandhi." -more- Exclusive to

Nonduality News: A personal experience at the Global Dharma

Conference

-

Lady Joyce

(AT) (DOT) .com

Cc: MillionPaths

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:35 AM

Re: Fw: [DailyDharma] EMBRACE SUFFERING: Monday Evening Quote

Tuesday morning response...thank you Gloria for forwarding this message to us :-)

-

Gloria Lee

(AT) (DOT) .com

Cc: MillionPaths

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:04 AM

Fw: [DailyDharma] EMBRACE SUFFERING: Monday Evening Quote

- tara217 (AT) webtv (DOT) net

DailyDharma

Monday, August 04, 2003 8:46 PM

[DailyDharma] EMBRACE SUFFERING: Monday Evening Quote

"Without suffering, you cannot grow. Without suffering you cannot

getthe peace and joy you deserve. Please do not run away from

yoursuffering. Embrace it and cherish it. Go to the Buddha, sit with

him andshow him your pain. He will look at you with kindness,

compassion, andmindfulness and show you ways to embrace your

suffering and look deeplyinto it. With understanding and compassion,

you will be able to heal thewounds in your heart, and the wounds in

the world. The Buddha calledsuffering a Holy Truth, because our

suffering has the capacity ofshowing us the way to liberation.

Embrace your suffering and let itreveal to you the way of

peace."~Thich Nhat HanhFrom the book, "The Heart of The Buddha's

Teaching," published byParallax

Press.http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0938077813/angelincBlessings

to all. May peace and peace and peace be

everywhere.________________________________May all beings be happy.

May they be free from suffering. May they be at

peace._________________________________Your use of is

subject to the

/join

"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Your use of is subject to

the

/join

"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Your use of is subject to

the

[Guest guest]

, "Gloria Lee" <glee@c...> wrote:

>

> -

> tara217@w...

> DailyDharma

> Monday, August 04, 2003 8:46 PM

> [DailyDharma] EMBRACE SUFFERING: Monday Evening Quote

>

>

> "Without suffering, you cannot grow. Without suffering you cannot

get

> the peace and joy you deserve. Please do not run away from your

> suffering. Embrace it and cherish it. Go to the Buddha, sit with

him and

 

Namaste Glo,

 

I'm not sure of that stand. I seem to remember Ramana saying

somewhere that suffering and pain etc were not a prerequisite of

liberation, although that put me on the spiritual

path.......ONS...Tony.

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much, Gloria. I did not even know there was such a thing as

"Nonduality News."

But then the list of what I know that I do not know is very long and getting longer :-)

Love,

Joyce

-

Gloria Lee

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:39 AM

Re: Fw: [DailyDharma] EMBRACE SUFFERING: Monday Evening Quote

Thank you, Joyce. I enjoyed so much readong your story of attending the dharma

conference recently...it was very well-written and gave such

vividdescriptions of your experience there. For others here would

like to see it, go to Nonduality.com and look

for "Garden of One" by Joyce.

http://www.nonduality.com/news1.htm

Review of the Global Dharma Conference 2003 in Raritan, New Jersey,

July 25-27. "This event is an opportunity to reflect on Dharma as a

state of nature, a state of being that must reflect in our personal

and professional lives," (New Jersey Governor James E McGreevey)

said. "Here in the US, Dharma has influenced many moments, from

Emerson to Thoreau to the teachings of Gandhi." -more- Exclusive to

Nonduality News: A personal experience at the Global Dharma

Conference

-

Lady Joyce

(AT) (DOT) .com

Cc: MillionPaths

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:35 AM

Re: Fw: [DailyDharma] EMBRACE SUFFERING: Monday Evening Quote

Tuesday morning response...thank you Gloria for forwarding this message to us :-)

-

Gloria Lee

(AT) (DOT) .com

Cc: MillionPaths

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:04 AM

Fw: [DailyDharma] EMBRACE SUFFERING: Monday Evening Quote

- tara217 (AT) webtv (DOT) net

DailyDharma

Monday, August 04, 2003 8:46 PM

[DailyDharma] EMBRACE SUFFERING: Monday Evening Quote

"Without suffering, you cannot grow. Without suffering you cannot

getthe peace and joy you deserve. Please do not run away from

yoursuffering. Embrace it and cherish it. Go to the Buddha, sit with

him andshow him your pain. He will look at you with kindness,

compassion, andmindfulness and show you ways to embrace your

suffering and look deeplyinto it. With understanding and compassion,

you will be able to heal thewounds in your heart, and the wounds in

the world. The Buddha calledsuffering a Holy Truth, because our

suffering has the capacity ofshowing us the way to liberation.

Embrace your suffering and let itreveal to you the way of

peace."~Thich Nhat HanhFrom the book, "The Heart of The Buddha's

Teaching," published byParallax

Press.http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0938077813/angelincBlessings

to all. May peace and peace and peace be

everywhere.________________________________May all beings be happy.

May they be free from suffering. May they be at

peace._________________________________Your use of is

subject to the

/join

"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Your use of is subject to

the

/join

"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Your use of is subject to

the

/join

"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Your use of is subject to

the

[Guest guest]

I dunno if there is just one and only one way to go, either Tony. You

think Ramana is doing an end run around suffering and going directly

to the source by asking find out who is there to suffer?

Gloria

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Tony O'Clery

(AT) (DOT) .com

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:55 PM

Re: Fw: [DailyDharma] EMBRACE SUFFERING: Monday Evening Quote

(AT) (DOT) .com, "Gloria Lee" <glee@c...>

wrote:> > - > tara217@w... > To:

DailyDharma > Monday, August 04, 2003 8:46 PM>

[DailyDharma] EMBRACE SUFFERING: Monday Evening Quote> > >

"Without suffering, you cannot grow. Without suffering you cannot

get> the peace and joy you deserve. Please do not run away from your>

suffering. Embrace it and cherish it. Go to the Buddha, sit with him

andNamaste Glo,I'm not sure of that stand. I seem to remember Ramana

saying somewhere that suffering and pain etc were not a prerequisite

of liberation, although that put me on the spiritual

path.......ONS...Tony./join

"Love itself is

the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam"

by Suri Nagamma

Terms of Service.

[Guest guest]

Hi Tonyji:

 

I had posted this before, but it bears re-posting in light of your comments

below.

While suffering and pain may not be a prerequisite to liberation,

I suspect that this is so for only a select few!!!

As One who is not included in the few,

and who is fructifying away

each and every day (just kidding)

All I have to say...is

 

Namaste to you,

 

Joyce

 

Self Enquiry-Sri Ramana

 

 

 

D: What are the characteristics of the jivan-mukta (the liberated in

life) and the videha-mukta (the liberated at death)?

M: 'I am not the body; I am Brahman which is manifest as the Self. In

me who am the plenary Reality*, the world consisting of bodies etc., are

mere appearance, like the blue of the sky'. He who has realized the truth

thus is a jivan-mukta. Yet so long as his mind has not been resolved, there

may arise some misery for him because of relation to objects on account of

prarabdha (karma which has begun to fructify and whose result is the present

body), and as the movement of mind has not ceased there will not be also the

experience of bliss. The experience of Self is possible only for the mind

that has become subtle and unmoving as a result of prolonged meditation. He

who is thus endowed with a mind that has become subtle, and who has the

experience of the Self is called a jivan-mukta. It is the state of

jivan-mukti that is referred to as the attributeless Brahman and as the

Turiya.

 

When even the subtle mind gets resolved, and experience of self

ceases, and when one is immersed in the ocean of bliss and has become one

with it without any differentiated existence, one is called a videha-mukta.

It is the state of videha-mukti that is referred to as the transcendent

attributeless Brahman and as the transcendent Turiya. This is the final

goal. Because of the grades in misery and happiness, the released ones, the

jivan-muktas and videha-muktas, may be spoken of as belonging to four

categories - Brahmavid, - vara--variyan, and varishtha. But these

distinctions are from the standpoint of the others who look at them; in

reality, however, there are no distinctions in release gained through jnana.

 

 

 

From NDHighlights -Self Enquiry

(Vicharasangraham)

Of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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"Tony O'Clery" <aoclery

<>

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:55 PM

Re: Fw: [DailyDharma] EMBRACE SUFFERING: Monday

Evening Quote

 

> , "Gloria Lee" <glee@c...> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > tara217@w...

> > DailyDharma

> > Monday, August 04, 2003 8:46 PM

> > [DailyDharma] EMBRACE SUFFERING: Monday Evening Quote

> >

> >

> > "Without suffering, you cannot grow. Without suffering you cannot

> get

> > the peace and joy you deserve. Please do not run away from your

> > suffering. Embrace it and cherish it. Go to the Buddha, sit with

> him and

>

> Namaste Glo,

>

> I'm not sure of that stand. I seem to remember Ramana saying

> somewhere that suffering and pain etc were not a prerequisite of

> liberation, although that put me on the spiritual

> path.......ONS...Tony.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, "Lady Joyce"

<ladyjoy@v...> wrote:

> Thanks so much, Gloria. I did not even know there was such a

thing as "Nonduality News."

> But then the list of what I know that I do not know is very long

and getting longer :-)

>

> Love,

>

> Joyce

 

 

....now that is funny!

 

)))))))Shawn