re: Child's play

[Guest guest]

In college, however, they told me that modern psychology has determined

that it is not possible for children who are  just born or are only a

few months old to have cognitive processes or any memory of their inner

or outer perceptions as their brain or nervous system is not able to do

it.

Holly:

There has been quite a bit of revision of this belief, starting about

15 years ago with the work of Daniel Stern. The theory changes all

the time but it seems there is some sense of "I" just about from the

gitgo. I wouldn't say that conventional psychology has caught up

with Ramana, though!

[Guest guest]

Thanks Holly. For those who may not know, Holly has a Ph.D. in

Psychology and is a retired psychologist. Her article on the HS Website

on how her Kundalini awoke after years of doing therapy on others is a

classic which many have enjoyed reading.

Holly, it's good to know that there has been some revisions of these

notions in psychology.

Do you know the story of Abhimanyu? He heard instructions from Krishna

on how to break the Lotus formation of troops while he was still in his

mother's womb.

Here is the story briefly.

When Arjuna visited Krishna, he fell in love with his sister Subhadra.

After some drama (a story in itself) Arjuna and Subhadra got married

and Abhimanyu was conceived. When Abhimanyu was still in Subhadra's

womb, Arjuna was traveling and meditating for some time.

Since Subhadra was missing Arjuna, Krishna tried to entertain his

sister with talk of war strategies and formation of troops. Subhadra

was not too interested and sleepy. Krishna described the lotus

formation used in wars and said that only her husband, Arjuna, knew how

to get inside the lotus and get back out alive.

However, Krishna said that Arjuna had told him the strategy and now he

said, "you will be the only woman in the world to know this". Krishna

explained to Subhadra first the intricacies of breaking into the

formation. Just before Krishna started to speak about getting out of

the formation alive, he noticed Subhadra had fallen asleep. Abhimanyu,

who was still in the womb, was listening carefully all this time to

Krishna. When the time of the great crisis came in the Mahabharta war

18 years later Abhimanyu remembered (from that night when Krishna had

told his sister) how to get inside the lotus formation of the enemy

troops. However, Abhimanyu had not heard how to get out and was

therefore trapped and killed. When Arjuna who was at another place

of the battle found out what had happened, he was full of sorrow

and vowed revenge on those who had killed his son Abhimanyu.

Interestingly, even though Abhimanyu was only 18 when he was killed, he

was already a father and had conceived a son and the Kuru dynasty was

carried on by his son.

Harsha

When I was told that my rememberance of

Hbarrett47 (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

Harsha wrote:

In college, however, they told me that modern psychology has determined

that it is not possible for children who are just born or are only a

few months old to have cognitive processes or any memory of their inner

or outer perceptions as their brain or nervous system is not able to do

it.

Holly:

There has been quite a bit of revision of this belief, starting about

15 years ago with the work of Daniel Stern. The theory changes all the

time but it seems there is some sense of "I" just about from the

gitgo. I wouldn't say that conventional psychology has caught up with

Ramana, though!