Introduction

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

My name is Frederico. I am 21 years old and I live in Rio de

Janeiro, Brazil.

I have been a student of Advaita Vedanta and Tibetan Buddhism for

the past three years. My first contact with Advaita was when my

brother gave me one interesting printed copy of Vichara-Sangraham by

the Great Rishi. I was interested in esoteric topics and psychic

powers. When I read Maharshi's booklet it became clear to me that he

was speaking from another vantage point, which I intuitively

recognized as being the consequence of a true spiritual experience.

Since then I have been meditating and reading much about various

authors, especially Ramesh Balsekar and Nisargadatta Maharaj.

But when I read Maharshi I understood he was simply saying:

Look. The world is not what it seems. You have many deep-rooted

notions (avidya) which you are not aware of, but which condition your

mind into dualism. Your consciousness and the Universe generate each

other, so there is no two, it is one.

After a lot of mediation I came to the conclusion that this was

actually the case. I hope I can experience this directly soon. Until

then I would like to share opinions, bits of knowledge and

illumination with people who have a similar intuition about the

nature of reality and that is why I joined this list.

May we all have serenity and clarity for attaining true spiritual

knowledge.

Fred

[Guest guest]

Hello Fred,

 

Me name Percy and pardon my Enghlish not very good.

 

I likes your post and ask you for some answer to help me, gain

spirituals.

 

 

 

, "Fred" <fsg@s...> wrote:

> Hello,

>

> My name is Frederico. I am 21 years old and I live in Rio de

> Janeiro, Brazil.

> I have been a student of Advaita Vedanta and Tibetan Buddhism

for

> the past three years. My first contact with Advaita was when my

> brother gave me one interesting printed copy of Vichara-Sangraham

by

> the Great Rishi. I was interested in esoteric topics and psychic

> powers. When I read Maharshi's booklet it became clear to me that

he

> was speaking from another vantage point, which I intuitively

> recognized as being the consequence of a true spiritual experience.

 

 

This intuitively recognized, plise explain.

You mean, he knows, not borrow answers?

I also think.

I wait to know your reply.

 

> Since then I have been meditating and reading much about various

> authors, especially Ramesh Balsekar and Nisargadatta Maharaj.

> But when I read Maharshi I understood he was simply saying:

> Look. The world is not what it seems. You have many deep-rooted

> notions (avidya) which you are not aware of, but which condition

your mind into dualism. Your consciousness and the Universe generate

each other, so there is no two, it is one.

 

 

This makes confusion for me.

If you say Ramana say there is no two, only one, who have notions

(avidya)?

 

Who have mind?

 

 

> After a lot of mediation I came to the conclusion that this was

> actually the case. I hope I can experience this directly soon.

 

 

What difference conclusion from meditation and experience this

directly?

Meditation not make you experience directly, no?

 

 

>Until

> then I would like to share opinions, bits of knowledge and

> illumination with people who have a similar intuition about the

> nature of reality and that is why I joined this list.

> May we all have serenity and clarity for attaining true spiritual

> knowledge.

 

 

Yes, I too need to learn, so ask you to help.

 

You very young, your age I only chase woman, not Ramana.

 

Now I chase Ramana and woman.

 

No succeed in both.

 

 

With best wishes

 

Percy

[Guest guest]

Hello Percy,

I'm no authority on Advaitin matters, but if you really want to hear

my opinions, : ) , here they are.

> When I read Maharshi's booklet it became clear to me that he > was

speaking from another vantage point, which I intuitively > recognized

as being the consequence of a true spiritual experience.This

intuitively recognized, plise explain.You mean, he knows, not borrow

answers?I also think.I wait to know your reply.

Yes, exactly. Maharshi spoke from a state of consciousness very

different than mine. I could feel that when I read the booklet. I

could with absolute certainty SEE that he had something there. It was

not a hoax. It was consistent. He speaks from a different dimension of

interpretation of experience. He clearly attained Unity of

subject-object. He "swallowed the world" into himself, and in the

process both "world" and "himself" were gone. What remained was a

Sahaj-Samadhi, a state where everything you perceive is actually YOU.

So there is no difference among two things, if this basic difference

of ME and WORLD is gone. This is so deep and I feel this is such a

frightening leap of consciousness that some people have done.

Maharshi had the guts to jump over the precipice and reach the other

side in complete divine safety.> Since then I have been meditating

and reading much about various > authors, especially Ramesh Balsekar

and Nisargadatta Maharaj.> But when I read Maharshi I understood

he was simply saying:> Look. The world is not what it seems. You

have many deep-rooted > notions (avidya) which you are not aware of,

but which condition your mind into dualism. Your consciousness and

the Universe generate each other, so there is no two, it is one.This

makes confusion for me.If you say Ramana say there is no two, only

one, who have notions (avidya)?

That's a very interesting question yes! (smiles)

I think perhaps the subject having notions is PART OF THE NOTIONS.

Then, if there is no more notions, there is no more subject, just a

flowing experience. In un-realized subjects, this experience is still

dual: a process of phenomena and perceptions which are considered

external to oneself, and a process of subjective feelings,

sensations, perceptions and notions which are considered to be one's

self.

Who have mind?

I think I can get what you are suggesting. There is no mind. Is

this what you are suggesting?

I think minds are part of the Avidya. But they are good so we

become attached to the notion of an "I", which for some people is

related to body, for others to mind. But it is always in the mind,

because the body appears in the mind. No mind, no body, nobody. : )

But somehow I feel this to be too frightening. Call me chicken if you

will. : )

> After a lot of mediation I came to the conclusion that this was >

actually the case. I hope I can experience this directly soon. What

difference conclusion from meditation and experience this

directly?Meditation not make you experience directly, no?

I would not like to start talking about my personal experiences

now. I can talk about them in the near future.

Meditation depends on what you mean by meditation. I meant, mental

reflection, thinking very subtly. Yes can make you experience

directly. But to me, frightening. The dear world, the dear REALITY

you had is gone. It frightens me, I still want LOVE to make some

sense. I think in higher Absorptions (Samadhi) there is no more love,

it's plain nondual void and " I " don't like this. I still need my

familiar, boring, suffering world. : )

>Until > then I would like to share opinions, bits of knowledge and

> illumination with people who have a similar intuition about the >

nature of reality and that is why I joined this list.> May we all

have serenity and clarity for attaining true spiritual>

knowledge.Yes, I too need to learn, so ask you to help.You very

young, your age I only chase woman, not Ramana.Now I chase Ramana and

woman.No succeed in both.With best wishesPercy

Haha, I chase both two. More women than Ramana, I must admit.

So far, good success with women but not with loving women. Only

superficiality, sex and lack of sensitiveness.

As to Ramana and Advaita, it's a piece of the finest silk.

I like to compare Ramana's teachings to the most beautiful women. I

feel equally attracted to both. : ) Although nowadays I pursue more

women than Unity.

Best Regards!

Fred

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"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Your use of is subject to

the