Guest guest Posted September 21, 2003 Report Share Posted September 21, 2003 Hellolooloo Fred the seeker of advaitha and Ramana, That is the beginning of all fusion from and of all confusion!!! How can light and darkness co-exist!!! I wonder what happens to you when you next time holda woman in your embrace and then simultaneously ask who is holding whom and then immediately separate the question from the questioner and hold the questioner tight ,man!!!,real tight without any gap between the holding and the held !!! Then you will aaaaaoohhhooo !!!uuuuuhhhihii......mmmmmmm.....0000000.SIIILLLEEENCCe. Boy!!! Kami ga:ni mo:ksha ga:mi ga:du lover but salvation but not become 'Unless a lover ,a seeker after truth he will not become!' Love to the very marrow of the bones of your lover.All the best!!! You know what happened to one of our beloved saints Kabir Das(?) ,the poet: he too fell in love with his wife top,bottom,center,left and right,inside and outside and every side !!! Hooyyaa! in the stormy night , he mistook a corpse for a log and held on to it in the mighty Ganga,crossed the river in the dark night and then reached the house of his beloved wife and climbed through the black serpent thinking that it was a rope and reached the upstairs to see his love.When his wife saw him dripping in the downstairs ( in rain,boy!) ,she said, "If only you show this to God!!!" That is the end of the whole show and the beginning of all shows!!! Love only the one who created the most beautiful woman!!! How much more beautiful he will be!!! I am a bachelor and I am trying but the going is slippery!!! BECAUSE I AM FOOOOOOTLOOOOSE !!!I am getting some proverbial exercises to make my feet strong!!! As Larus found the red lotus flowers Where there is a will there is a way Where there is a will God will show the way As Larus found the red lotus flowers You know about this lotus show? If not ask one Lady Joy - she is in Heaven but descends once in a way to and nowadays to Proverbiallinguists.She knows what is love since she wrote n immortal poem on love just recently!!! SEEYAALOVERBOY YOURS Proverbially in HarshhhARShAICALLY, Chilukuri Bhuvaneswar On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 Frederico S. Gonzales wrote : > Hello Percy, > > I'm no authority on Advaitin matters, but if you really want to >hear my opinions, : ) , here they are. > > > When I read Maharshi's booklet it became clear to me that >he > > was speaking from another vantage point, which I intuitively > > recognized as being the consequence of a true spiritual >experience. > > >This intuitively recognized, plise explain. >You mean, he knows, not borrow answers? >I also think. >I wait to know your reply. > > Yes, exactly. Maharshi spoke from a state of consciousness >very different than mine. I could feel that when I read the >booklet. I could with absolute certainty SEE that he had >something there. It was not a hoax. It was consistent. He speaks > from a different dimension of interpretation of experience. He >clearly attained Unity of subject-object. He "swallowed the >world" into himself, and in the process both "world" and >"himself" were gone. What remained was a Sahaj-Samadhi, a state >where everything you perceive is actually YOU. So there is no >difference among two things, if this basic difference of ME and >WORLD is gone. This is so deep and I feel this is such a >frightening leap of consciousness that some people have done. >Maharshi had the guts to jump over the precipice and reach the >other side in complete divine safety. > > > Since then I have been meditating and reading much about >various > > authors, especially Ramesh Balsekar and Nisargadatta >Maharaj. > > But when I read Maharshi I understood he was simply >saying: > > Look. The world is not what it seems. You have many >deep-rooted > > notions (avidya) which you are not aware of, but which >condition >your mind into dualism. Your consciousness and the Universe >generate >each other, so there is no two, it is one. > > >This makes confusion for me. >If you say Ramana say there is no two, only one, who have >notions >(avidya)? > > That's a very interesting question yes! (smiles) > I think perhaps the subject having notions is PART OF THE >NOTIONS. > Then, if there is no more notions, there is no more subject, >just a flowing experience. In un-realized subjects, this >experience is still dual: a process of phenomena and perceptions >which are considered external to oneself, and a process of >subjective feelings, sensations, perceptions and notions which >are considered to be one's self. > >Who have mind? > > I think I can get what you are suggesting. There is no mind. >Is this what you are suggesting? > I think minds are part of the Avidya. But they are good so >we become attached to the notion of an "I", which for some people >is related to body, for others to mind. But it is always in the >mind, because the body appears in the mind. No mind, no body, >nobody. : ) But somehow I feel this to be too frightening. Call >me chicken if you will. : ) > > > After a lot of mediation I came to the conclusion that this >was > > actually the case. I hope I can experience this directly >soon. > >What difference conclusion from meditation and experience this >directly? >Meditation not make you experience directly, no? > > I would not like to start talking about my personal >experiences now. I can talk about them in the near future. > Meditation depends on what you mean by meditation. I meant, >mental reflection, thinking very subtly. Yes can make you >experience directly. But to me, frightening. The dear world, the >dear REALITY you had is gone. It frightens me, I still want LOVE >to make some sense. I think in higher Absorptions (Samadhi) there >is no more love, it's plain nondual void and " I " don't like >this. I still need my familiar, boring, suffering world. : ) > > >Until > > then I would like to share opinions, bits of knowledge and > > illumination with people who have a similar intuition about >the > > nature of reality and that is why I joined this list. > > May we all have serenity and clarity for attaining true >spiritual > > knowledge. > > >Yes, I too need to learn, so ask you to help. > >You very young, your age I only chase woman, not Ramana. > >Now I chase Ramana and woman. > >No succeed in both. > > >With best wishes > >Percy > > > Haha, I chase both two. More women than Ramana, I must admit. > So far, good success with women but not with loving women. >Only superficiality, sex and lack of sensitiveness. > As to Ramana and Advaita, it's a piece of the finest silk. > I like to compare Ramana's teachings to the most beautiful >women. I feel equally attracted to both. : ) Although nowadays I >pursue more women than Unity. > > > Best Regards! > > Fred > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > >/join > > > > > >"Love itself is the actual form of God." > >Sri Ramana > >In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > Terms of >Service. > _ Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2003 Report Share Posted September 21, 2003 On 9/21/03 at 8:56 AM bhuvan eswar chilukuri wrote: ºHellolooloo Fred the seeker of advaitha and Ramana, º ºThat is the beginning of all fusion from and of all confusion!!! º ºHow can light and darkness co-exist!!! Similar as at a moonless night. Remember, light isn't seen until it hits the eyes. º ºI wonder what happens to you when you next time holda woman in ºyour embrace and then simultaneously ask who is holding whom and ºthen immediately separate the question from the questioner and ºhold the questioner tight ,man!!!,real tight without any gap ºbetween the holding and the held !!! Swami Sivananda once wrote a paragraph titled "miserable mundane life" and mentioned man as the sporting lapdog of women, who are as real as the artificial color of their hair, the set of false teeth, and as he remarked, "after a few weeks of fever, not having been washed, the stench is abominable". You get the picture, that was meant to show the issue of "lust", a most tenacious property of the "John Doe" type of householder who doesn't know the difference between "love" and "lust": true love needs no object. º ºThen you will º ºaaaaaoohhhooo º!!!uuuuuhhhihii......mmmmmmm.....0000000.SIIILLLEEENCCe. º ºBoy!!! During John Doe's everyday life, the silence isn't recognized, too busy watching movies, listening to the boss, colleagues, a nagging wife, screaming kids and the barking dog: the mind is at rest in deep dreamless sleep only. º ºKami ga:ni mo:ksha ga:mi ga:du ºlover but salvation but not become º º'Unless a lover ,a seeker after truth he will not become!' Wrong: Nirguna Brahman is uncaused so a seeker stays a seeker until the attitude is given up, all attitudes are given up. º ºLove to the very marrow of the bones of your lover.All the ºbest!!! Where stays love in deep dreamless sleep? º ºYou know what happened to one of our beloved saints Kabir Das(?) º,the poet: º ºhe too fell in love with his wife top,bottom,center,left and ºright,inside and outside and every side !!! º ºHooyyaa! Love is a subject-object issue for most. Ramana fell in love with the red mountain and wrote a series of poems on it, the 40 verses. º ºin the stormy night , he mistook a corpse for a log and held on to ºit in the mighty Ganga,crossed the river in the dark night and ºthen reached the house of his beloved wife and climbed through ºthe black serpent thinking that it was a rope and reached the ºupstairs to see his love.When his wife saw him dripping in the ºdownstairs ( in rain,boy!) ,she said, º º"If only you show this to God!!!" º ºThat is the end of the whole show and the beginning of all ºshows!!! The end of the show is when "God" is seen for what it is, instead of a creator without a creator. º º ºLove only the one who created the most beautiful woman!!! Care to know "love for the other gender" is rooted in the mating issue? Do you love a diseased women of 80, who hasn't been washed for 6 months, just as much as the fertile woman in her mid-twenties? º ºHow much more beautiful he will be!!! Beauty has a biological basis: fertility again. Symmetry for instance signifies flawless genes. In order not to hurt your feelings, the mind issues a message like "oh what a beautiful goddess, i want to share my life with her" instead of "get her into a cave, have fun, finished!". º ºI am a bachelor and I am trying but the going is slippery!!! Swami Sivananda's "practice of yoga" has a chapter devoted to bachelors like you: a "must read". º ºBECAUSE I AM FOOOOOOTLOOOOSE !!!I am getting some proverbial ºexercises to make my feet strong!!! Easy: who wants to be hoodwinked by what in some systems is called "lower nature"? º ºAs Larus found the red lotus flowers ºWhere there is a will there is a way ºWhere there is a will God will show the way ºAs Larus found the red lotus flowers "As you meditate, so you become". º ºYou know about this lotus show? ºIf not ask one Lady Joy - she is in Heaven but descends once in a ºway to and nowadays to Proverbiallinguists.She ºknows what is love since she wrote n immortal poem on love just ºrecently!!! No dirt will stick to a lotus leaf: growing from the mud, it is stainless even when the flowers are gone. º ºSEEYAALOVERBOY Take care and don't get carried away. Does the word "equanimity" ring a bell here? It will, when instead of pouring milk over holy linga, it is offered to the needy, the homeless, starving in the streets. Same milk that yet makes can make a difference. Remember, Namadev realized, by seeing Krishna in a stray dog. He offered food, Krishna tested Namadev and then showed himself. You treat homeless and hungry one(s) like Krishna, and same happens. This is life of true Bhakta, Jnani and Buddha, simultaneously, like Sivananda showed. º º ºYOURS Proverbially in HarshhhARShAICALLY, º ºChilukuri Bhuvaneswar No-thing matters but matter cannot know that. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Hullooo! Did you ever try holding a man or any object for that matter and then simultaneously ask who is holding whom and >ºthen immediately separate the question from the questioner and >ºhold the questioner tight ,noble lady!!!,real tight without any >gap >ºbetween the holding and the held ? Step 1 : hold an object. step2: ask : Whom is holding the man/object ? step 3 : Leave the question aside. step 4 : get TO the questioner. step 5 : grab him - you cannot grab him physically even though you may hug yourself tight - as he asks the question.Try with all your concentration,my dear noble lady!!! step6 : hold on ....on ...and onnnnnn. Then tell me what you feel about what I said !!! WHERE THERE IS KNOWLEDGE,THERE IS NO IGNORANCE;WHERE THERE IS BLISS,THERE IS NO AGONY,WHERE THERE IS LIFE THERE IS NO DEATH,WHERE THERE IS LOVE,THERE IS NO HATRED. Till then even a hundred prANAYAMAS CANNOT WIPE OUT THE VASANA OF LUST. iT TAKES A TRUE LOVER TO KNOW LOVE!!! aLL ELSE IS JUST SHASTHRA VASANA,DEHA VASANA AND LOKA VASANA. LOVE ALWAYS, BHUVANESWAR On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 ecirada wrote : >On 9/21/03 at 8:56 AM bhuvan eswar chilukuri wrote: > >ºHellolooloo Fred the seeker of advaitha and Ramana, >º >ºThat is the beginning of all fusion from and of all >confusion!!! >º >ºHow can light and darkness co-exist!!! > >Similar as at a moonless night. Remember, light isn't seen until >it hits the eyes. > >º >ºI wonder what happens to you when you next time holda woman in >ºyour embrace and then simultaneously ask who is holding whom >and >ºthen immediately separate the question from the questioner and >ºhold the questioner tight ,man!!!,real tight without any gap >ºbetween the holding and the held !!! > >Swami Sivananda once wrote a paragraph titled "miserable mundane >life" >and mentioned man as the sporting lapdog of women, who are as >real as the >artificial color of their hair, the set of false teeth, and as he >remarked, >"after a few weeks of fever, not having been washed, the stench >is abominable". >You get the picture, that was meant to show the issue of "lust", >a most tenacious >property of the "John Doe" type of householder who doesn't know >the difference >between "love" and "lust": true love needs no object. >º >ºThen you will >º >ºaaaaaoohhhooo >º!!!uuuuuhhhihii......mmmmmmm.....0000000.SIIILLLEEENCCe. >º >ºBoy!!! > >During John Doe's everyday life, the silence isn't recognized, >too busy watching movies, listening to the boss, colleagues, a >nagging wife, screaming kids and the barking dog: the mind is >at >rest in deep dreamless sleep only. >º >ºKami ga:ni mo:ksha ga:mi ga:du >ºlover but salvation but not become >º >º'Unless a lover ,a seeker after truth he will not become!' > >Wrong: Nirguna Brahman is uncaused so a seeker stays a seeker >until the attitude is given up, all attitudes are given up. >º >ºLove to the very marrow of the bones of your lover.All the >ºbest!!! > >Where stays love in deep dreamless sleep? >º >ºYou know what happened to one of our beloved saints Kabir >Das(?) >º,the poet: >º >ºhe too fell in love with his wife top,bottom,center,left and >ºright,inside and outside and every side !!! >º >ºHooyyaa! > >Love is a subject-object issue for most. Ramana fell in love with >the red mountain >and wrote a series of poems on it, the 40 verses. >º >ºin the stormy night , he mistook a corpse for a log and held on >to >ºit in the mighty Ganga,crossed the river in the dark night and >ºthen reached the house of his beloved wife and climbed >through >ºthe black serpent thinking that it was a rope and reached the >ºupstairs to see his love.When his wife saw him dripping in the >ºdownstairs ( in rain,boy!) ,she said, >º >º"If only you show this to God!!!" >º >ºThat is the end of the whole show and the beginning of all >ºshows!!! > >The end of the show is when "God" is seen for what it is, >instead >of a creator without a creator. >º >º >ºLove only the one who created the most beautiful woman!!! > >Care to know "love for the other gender" is rooted in the mating >issue? >Do you love a diseased women of 80, who hasn't been washed for 6 >months, >just as much as the fertile woman in her mid-twenties? >º >ºHow much more beautiful he will be!!! > >Beauty has a biological basis: fertility again. Symmetry for >instance >signifies flawless genes. In order not to hurt your feelings, the >mind >issues a message like "oh what a beautiful goddess, i want to >share my >life with her" instead of "get her into a cave, have fun, >finished!". >º >ºI am a bachelor and I am trying but the going is slippery!!! > >Swami Sivananda's "practice of yoga" has a chapter devoted to >bachelors like you: a "must read". >º >ºBECAUSE I AM FOOOOOOTLOOOOSE !!!I am getting some proverbial >ºexercises to make my feet strong!!! > >Easy: who wants to be hoodwinked by what in some systems is >called "lower nature"? >º >ºAs Larus found the red lotus flowers >ºWhere there is a will there is a way >ºWhere there is a will God will show the way >ºAs Larus found the red lotus flowers > >"As you meditate, so you become". >º >ºYou know about this lotus show? >ºIf not ask one Lady Joy - she is in Heaven but descends once in >a >ºway to and nowadays to Proverbiallinguists.She >ºknows what is love since she wrote n immortal poem on love >just >ºrecently!!! > >No dirt will stick to a lotus leaf: growing from the mud, it is >stainless >even when the flowers are gone. >º >ºSEEYAALOVERBOY > >Take care and don't get carried away. >Does the word "equanimity" ring a bell here? >It will, when instead of pouring milk over holy linga, >it is offered to the needy, the homeless, starving in the >streets. Same milk that yet makes can make a difference. > >Remember, Namadev realized, by seeing Krishna in a stray dog. >He offered food, Krishna tested Namadev and then showed >himself. >You treat homeless and hungry one(s) like Krishna, and same >happens. >This is life of true Bhakta, Jnani and Buddha, simultaneously, >like Sivananda showed. >º >º >ºYOURS Proverbially in HarshhhARShAICALLY, >º >ºChilukuri Bhuvaneswar > >No-thing matters but matter cannot know that. > >Jan > > > > >------------------------ Sponsor > >/join > > > > > >"Love itself is the actual form of God." > >Sri Ramana > >In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > >Your use of is subject to > > > _ Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 hULLOO! 'Unless a lover ,a seeker after truth he will not become!' Wrong: Nirguna Brahman is uncaused so a seeker stays a seeker until the attitude is given up, all attitudes are given up. lOVE THE LOVER - THAT IS MY POINT!!! pLEASE tRY WHAT I SAID BEFORE YOU SAY IT IS WRONG! nIRGUNA BRAHMAN IS SOUGHT FIRST BY MERGING THE THOUGHT IN THE SOURCE AND AS THE THOUGHT IS DECIMATED - VASANA KSHAYAM -THE SORCE REMAINS AS IT IS - SO SAY THE WISE .aNY HOW ,i HAVE NOT YET REACHED THAT STATE BUT I KNOW THAT STATE OF WHICH i AM TALKING ABOUT -THE SECONDARY REFLECTION STATE ,THE FIRST THOUGHT STATE,THE EGO IN sRI rAMANA MAHARSHI'S TEACHINGS,FROM WHERE i HAVE TO RETRACE IT FURTHER AND FURTHER INTO ITS SOURCE. jNANADEVATU KAIVALYAM!!! lOVE ONLY, BHUVANESWAR On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 ecirada wrote : >On 9/21/03 at 8:56 AM bhuvan eswar chilukuri wrote: > >ºHellolooloo Fred the seeker of advaitha and Ramana, >º >ºThat is the beginning of all fusion from and of all >confusion!!! >º >ºHow can light and darkness co-exist!!! > >Similar as at a moonless night. Remember, light isn't seen until >it hits the eyes. > >º >ºI wonder what happens to you when you next time holda woman in >ºyour embrace and then simultaneously ask who is holding whom >and >ºthen immediately separate the question from the questioner and >ºhold the questioner tight ,man!!!,real tight without any gap >ºbetween the holding and the held !!! > >Swami Sivananda once wrote a paragraph titled "miserable mundane >life" >and mentioned man as the sporting lapdog of women, who are as >real as the >artificial color of their hair, the set of false teeth, and as he >remarked, >"after a few weeks of fever, not having been washed, the stench >is abominable". >You get the picture, that was meant to show the issue of "lust", >a most tenacious >property of the "John Doe" type of householder who doesn't know >the difference >between "love" and "lust": true love needs no object. >º >ºThen you will >º >ºaaaaaoohhhooo >º!!!uuuuuhhhihii......mmmmmmm.....0000000.SIIILLLEEENCCe. >º >ºBoy!!! > >During John Doe's everyday life, the silence isn't recognized, >too busy watching movies, listening to the boss, colleagues, a >nagging wife, screaming kids and the barking dog: the mind is >at >rest in deep dreamless sleep only. >º >ºKami ga:ni mo:ksha ga:mi ga:du >ºlover but salvation but not become >º >º'Unless a lover ,a seeker after truth he will not become!' > >Wrong: Nirguna Brahman is uncaused so a seeker stays a seeker >until the attitude is given up, all attitudes are given up. >º >ºLove to the very marrow of the bones of your lover.All the >ºbest!!! > >Where stays love in deep dreamless sleep? >º >ºYou know what happened to one of our beloved saints Kabir >Das(?) >º,the poet: >º >ºhe too fell in love with his wife top,bottom,center,left and >ºright,inside and outside and every side !!! >º >ºHooyyaa! > >Love is a subject-object issue for most. Ramana fell in love with >the red mountain >and wrote a series of poems on it, the 40 verses. >º >ºin the stormy night , he mistook a corpse for a log and held on >to >ºit in the mighty Ganga,crossed the river in the dark night and >ºthen reached the house of his beloved wife and climbed >through >ºthe black serpent thinking that it was a rope and reached the >ºupstairs to see his love.When his wife saw him dripping in the >ºdownstairs ( in rain,boy!) ,she said, >º >º"If only you show this to God!!!" >º >ºThat is the end of the whole show and the beginning of all >ºshows!!! > >The end of the show is when "God" is seen for what it is, >instead >of a creator without a creator. >º >º >ºLove only the one who created the most beautiful woman!!! > >Care to know "love for the other gender" is rooted in the mating >issue? >Do you love a diseased women of 80, who hasn't been washed for 6 >months, >just as much as the fertile woman in her mid-twenties? >º >ºHow much more beautiful he will be!!! > >Beauty has a biological basis: fertility again. Symmetry for >instance >signifies flawless genes. In order not to hurt your feelings, the >mind >issues a message like "oh what a beautiful goddess, i want to >share my >life with her" instead of "get her into a cave, have fun, >finished!". >º >ºI am a bachelor and I am trying but the going is slippery!!! > >Swami Sivananda's "practice of yoga" has a chapter devoted to >bachelors like you: a "must read". >º >ºBECAUSE I AM FOOOOOOTLOOOOSE !!!I am getting some proverbial >ºexercises to make my feet strong!!! > >Easy: who wants to be hoodwinked by what in some systems is >called "lower nature"? >º >ºAs Larus found the red lotus flowers >ºWhere there is a will there is a way >ºWhere there is a will God will show the way >ºAs Larus found the red lotus flowers > >"As you meditate, so you become". >º >ºYou know about this lotus show? >ºIf not ask one Lady Joy - she is in Heaven but descends once in >a >ºway to and nowadays to Proverbiallinguists.She >ºknows what is love since she wrote n immortal poem on love >just >ºrecently!!! > >No dirt will stick to a lotus leaf: growing from the mud, it is >stainless >even when the flowers are gone. >º >ºSEEYAALOVERBOY > >Take care and don't get carried away. >Does the word "equanimity" ring a bell here? >It will, when instead of pouring milk over holy linga, >it is offered to the needy, the homeless, starving in the >streets. Same milk that yet makes can make a difference. > >Remember, Namadev realized, by seeing Krishna in a stray dog. >He offered food, Krishna tested Namadev and then showed >himself. >You treat homeless and hungry one(s) like Krishna, and same >happens. >This is life of true Bhakta, Jnani and Buddha, simultaneously, >like Sivananda showed. >º >º >ºYOURS Proverbially in HarshhhARShAICALLY, >º >ºChilukuri Bhuvaneswar > >No-thing matters but matter cannot know that. > >Jan > > > > >------------------------ Sponsor > >/join > > > > > >"Love itself is the actual form of God." > >Sri Ramana > >In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > >Your use of is subject to > > > _ Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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