Guest guest Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 Percy Lander wrote : >Hello Mr Jan, > >I try to cut to keep mail small, not become big elephant. > ><Cut> > >So you say, answer not important? > >Silence doesn't come up with answers. > >===== > >I feel the same. > >Silence do not need to ask question, or inquire. > >===== > > > >What makes possible for intensity to be hot up? > >Dissatisfaction with the situation "as experienced". > >===== > >I buy a dictionary to learn new words from your mail Mr Jan. > >My enghlish become better, maybe not my spirituality. > >Only Consciousness or Self, then dissatisfaction also by Self >with what it create. > >No ghost can dissatisfy or satisfy. > >Whether ghost try inquiry, meditation, worshing elephant-god or >camel-god. > >Is correct? > > > >It happen by itself? > >Often, like my case and that of a friend. > >======= > >Lubista! > >It happen by itself, cannot be done by ghost, is correct? > >What name your friend? > >===== > >º >ºWhat for, inquiry? > >º >It keeps you busy with relaxation. > >====== > >Haha.I likes this answer, busy with relaxation. > >Relaxation, a growth industry :-) > >==== > >Haha > >Very busy industry. > >===== > ><cut> > > >==== > >Barren woman, is real? > >The woman is as real as the structure observing her ( like her >dog for instance). > >======= > >I walk about 60 mins thinking this. > >The computer station people, charge me for this as I forget to >cancel the connection. > >I feel Saint Harsha and him inquiry into Free >will/predestination, as real as Percy. > >Both ghost, making ghostilee talks. > >======== > >Barren is a property, becoming apparent after experimentation. > >===== > >Ghost try very hard to make baby, produce ghost baby and believe >it real baby. > >Ghost try to inquire free will or predestination and believe >conclusion is real. > >Is correct? > >======== > > >ºIf this already the answer, inquiry for what? > >Yes, since there is but the Self, the inquiry is that too. >º > > >===== > >You mean Self inquire into Self? > >Ultimately, yes, and this shows the issue of reductionism. > >==== > >This word not possible Percy to understand. > >The small dictionary also not have it. > >======== > >Not small self, as small self a ghost, yes? > >There is no small self apart from the thought that there is one >(or that there are many). > >====== > >Thought make real for Saint Harsha to believe in ghost and then >him beleive ghost can inquire, is correct? > >Thought make Saint Harsha believe him exist, make Percy believe >him exist, make inquiry exist, make this all show exist. > >Is correct? > >Same for Self? > >Thought make even Self exist, is correct? > >========= > ><cut> > >====== > >I feel, if feeling having free will, that feeling >predestination. > >Feeling gone, issue nonexistent. > >====== > >Percy never succeed in making any feeling go away, before it >agree to finish herself. > >I feel, (feeling again) feeling having free will, that feeling >continue or stop only by predestination. > >Feeling having free will, is ghost. > >And then ghostilee stories, ghostilee inquiry, ghostilee show. > >Only Consciousness watch fun-show it create, I think Ramana say >same also, no?. > >========== > ><cut> > > >===== > >You say, no saying original? > >1. Predestination doesn't allow for anything original > >2. The number of possibilities regarding impression is finite > >so what seems original is one of those possibilities. > >====== > >Percy is simple. > >Percy understand this, no original. > >===== > ><cut> > >What mean I, is not knowing seeker, what he say, how importnat, >what he say. > >He do not know nothing. > >For a scientist, expression has to be such that it is clear for a >reader and the reader can take > >the experiment. How the reader, after a successful experiment, >describes it, doesn't matter, > >unless it prevents other readers from taking the experiment >no? > >==== > >Percy do not know to comment. > >======= > ><cut> > >======= > >The word Useful confuse Percy. > >Only Consciousness, how Only Consciousness find something useful, >something not useful. > >A term like "useful" is the other side of the coin called >"useless". All concepts can be arranged this way. > >like heat & cold, beautiful & ugly etc. Properties and behavior >can be observed while thoughtless, concepts live as thoughts >only. > >===== > >Yes, I feel the same. > >Feel, when make something useful, make something useless (as you >say). > >Making separate, useful and uesless, only ghostilee thinking. > >is incorrect Mr Jan? > >===== > > >º >ºHow can what unreal, useful for the real? > >A matter of taste, like the reincarnation issue: it's either >denied or acknowledged,but gets rarely investigated (inquired) as >there's not much literature to borrow from to start with an >investigation. >º > >===== > >I feel, investigateding is itself, unreal. > >It's a mental activity, to find what isn't subjected to >activity. > >===== > >But ghost, can him find that? > >I feel, not. > >Feel, ghost only exist in mind of Consciousness and it come or >go, if Consciousness want him come or go. > >======= > >Only Consciousness, then investigated what? > >The activity of investigating ;-) > >===== > >What means ;-)? > >Scuse, Percy need to make it simple, for him to understand. > >Investigating only ghostilee show, is correct? > >Answer Yes, then Investigating the investigating, more ghostilee >show, no? > >======= > >What not Only Consciousness, for Consciousness to investigated? > >Is incorrect, Mr Jan? > >The better alternative would be to describe without >distinctions > >like little, big and super "i"s but instead, a term like naked >awareness > >to denote it can never be an object of investigation, > >===== > >Lubista! > >This I arrive last night but cannot find words to say. > >You have very good words to say the same. > >======= > >nor the investigating subject nor can it be separated > > from any movement (activity that is, for sentient creatures). > >====== > > >Lubista! > >All show Only Consciousness playing little game. > >Yes? > >========= > > ><cut> > > >Enjoying the daily traffic jam in the car is supposed fate(can't >be avoided when keeping the job needed for a living) whereas >turning on the car radio is supposed to be free will. > >=== > >So free will to shout at traffic or listen to car radio? > >In this, no predestination? > >Even when considering, a creature's activity is the resultant of >its > >history, the possibility to "just give up" always is present. > >As all sentient creatures and insentient matter are but >modifications > >of stardust, what could it matter? > >===== > >It not matter. > >======= > >I feel, if already angry before traffic jam, then lot of >shouting. > >Not so, when close to a woman, mid twenties, smiling at you. > >===== > >Percy seeing smiling at him, mid twenty woman, still shout Beruka >and try to jump out of car, quickly,to come close to smiling >woman. > >Haha > >===== > >If already feeling nice, then listen to car radio. > >That ends when suddenly a big camaro presses in just in front of >you. > >====== > >What I feel, shout curses, shout Beruka at smiling woman, listen >to car radio and then shout because a dojick come in your lane, > from next lane, all not matter. > >Only Consciousness, shout, smile, cut lane,fight with fist, break >dojick head, then go together have beer, together make love with >similing woman, all only Consciousness making show. > >======= > > >º >º> >º> It is only minor teachers who are obsessed with "Fate" and >the >º> "deterministic" nature of the world who attempt to maintain >ºconsistency in their responses. >º >º >ºBut you ask for the same inquiry? > >Inquiry in the sense "who am i" only serves when thinking there >is such an "i" entity. > >======= > >Lubista! > >Believe ghost real and then close door with chairs to keep ghost >away. > >So you say Saint Harsha believe in ghost? > >Wouldn't belief in a ghost be a matter of predestination? ;-P > >====== > >Yes.I feel Yes. > >I say up in this mail > >I feel, (feeling again) feeling having free will, that feeling >continue or stop only by predestination. > >===== > ><cut> > >Ghost try to find itself? > >A foolish idea, no? > >Yes, and it takes long to discover, it was but the imagination. > >====== > >I feel sometime, never discover and die believing in ghostilee >show is real. > >-------- > ><cut> > >one unbroken consciousness, yes same as Ramana say Only >Consciousness. > >So no thing away from Consciousness, to know Consciousness. > >This I feel. > >Is incorrect? > >What cannot be a subject nor an object nor separated, isn't easy >to express in everyday language. > > >======= > >Last night Percy ask himself, if Ramana right Only Consciousness, >can Consciousness need to inquire and know Consciousness? > >And then I remember, Ramana saying (maybe Ramana, maybe somebody >other ghost not sure), the eye see everything but the eye not see >itself. > >You say the same, no? > >===== > ><cut> > >Thank you again, many times. > >Soon I get travel-ticket to go to Ramana Ashram. > > > > > > _ Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. 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Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 Dear Ecirada! I am delighted to read your dialogue with Percy Lander. I want to add only one tag to the comments! Please walk like a pregnant woman with a pot on her head while doing the giri pradakshina(wqalking round the HILL which is SIVA) !!! Love to you and Percy Lander! May the Peace and Bliss of Arunachala Siva be with you!!! Yours in Sri samkara bhagavatpujyapada's oceanic love! Bhuvaneswar On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 ecirada wrote : >On 9/21/03 at 9:54 PM Percy Lander wrote: >Hello Mr Jan, > >I try to cut to keep mail small, not become big elephant. > ><Cut> > >Hi Percy, > >same here, snipping where possible. > >[..] >What makes possible for intensity to be hot up? >Dissatisfaction with the situation "as experienced". >===== >I buy a dictionary to learn new words from your mail Mr Jan. >My enghlish become better, maybe not my spirituality. >Perhaps at the ashram it could get better. >Only Consciousness or Self, then dissatisfaction also by Self >with what it create. >Some questions are answered better with questions. >If both arms and legs are the Self, why does it make a difference >in walking? >Try it out... >No ghost can dissatisfy or satisfy. >Another experiment: fast for a week and see if there is a sense >of >dissatisfaction from it. >Whether ghost try inquiry, meditation, worshing elephant-god or >camel-god. >Is correct? >Ramana underwent a kind of spontaneous death process, which >brought insight. >Kind of summary of the Kathopanishad: give up notions, like when >falling asleep. >It happen by itself? >Often, like my case and that of a friend. >======= >Lubista! >It happen by itself, cannot be done by ghost, is correct? >What name your friend? >Her dog is named Layca :-) >[...] >======== >Barren is a property, becoming apparent after experimentation. >===== >Ghost try very hard to make baby, produce ghost baby and believe >it real baby. >Until a situation arises where it is forgotten. >Ghost try to inquire free will or predestination and believe >conclusion is real. >Is correct? >Yes, when truly interested, experiments would be set up to find >out. >Unfounded belief influences behavior mostly as a limitation, or >suppression, >or superstition, like when the earth was flat, it was possible to >fall off the edge. >[...] >===== >You mean Self inquire into Self? >Ultimately, yes, and this shows the issue of reductionism. >==== >This word not possible Percy to understand. >Summarize to the bare minimum. >The small dictionary also not have it. >======== >Not small self, as small self a ghost, yes? >There is no small self apart from the thought that there is one >(or that there are many). >====== >Thought make real for Saint Harsha to believe in ghost and then >him beleive ghost can inquire, is correct? >You would have to ask Harsha - but Ramana talks on the "i" >thought as well. >Jokingly, the "i" could be called the mind-body coordinates: it >has the same relevance. >Thought make Saint Harsha believe him exist, make Percy believe >him exist, make inquiry exist, make this all show exist. >Is correct? >No, there is no compulsion to interpret thoughts or feelings: >those "things" >already are the responses from the mind-body. For a young child, >the sense of >"i" is rudimentary, as is the case for some native (not >Westernized) ppl. >Same for Self? >Thought make even Self exist, is correct? >Thought always is response to a stimulus. The Self doesn't >think. >========= ><cut> >====== >I feel, if feeling having free will, that feeling >predestination. >Feeling gone, issue _ Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 Dear Ecirada! I am delighted to read your dialogue with Percy Lander. I want to add only one tag to the comments! Please walk like a pregnant woman with a pot on her head while doing the giri pradakshina(wqalking round the HILL which is SIVA) !!! Love to you and Percy Lander! May the Peace and Bliss of Arunachala Siva be with you!!! Yours in Sri samkara bhagavatpujyapada's oceanic love! Bhuvaneswar On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 ecirada wrote : >On 9/21/03 at 9:54 PM Percy Lander wrote: >Hello Mr Jan, > >I try to cut to keep mail small, not become big elephant. > ><Cut> > >Hi Percy, > >same here, snipping where possible. > >[..] >What makes possible for intensity to be hot up? >Dissatisfaction with the situation "as experienced". >===== >I buy a dictionary to learn new words from your mail Mr Jan. >My enghlish become better, maybe not my spirituality. >Perhaps at the ashram it could get better. >Only Consciousness or Self, then dissatisfaction also by Self >with what it create. >Some questions are answered better with questions. >If both arms and legs are the Self, why does it make a difference >in walking? >Try it out... >No ghost can dissatisfy or satisfy. >Another experiment: fast for a week and see if there is a sense >of >dissatisfaction from it. >Whether ghost try inquiry, meditation, worshing elephant-god or >camel-god. >Is correct? >Ramana underwent a kind of spontaneous death process, which >brought insight. >Kind of summary of the Kathopanishad: give up notions, like when >falling asleep. >It happen by itself? >Often, like my case and that of a friend. >======= >Lubista! >It happen by itself, cannot be done by ghost, is correct? >What name your friend? >Her dog is named Layca :-) >[...] >======== >Barren is a property, becoming apparent after experimentation. >===== >Ghost try very hard to make baby, produce ghost baby and believe >it real baby. >Until a situation arises where it is forgotten. >Ghost try to inquire free will or predestination and believe >conclusion is real. >Is correct? >Yes, when truly interested, experiments would be set up to find >out. >Unfounded belief influences behavior mostly as a limitation, or >suppression, >or superstition, like when the earth was flat, it was possible to >fall off the edge. >[...] >===== >You mean Self inquire into Self? >Ultimately, yes, and this shows the issue of reductionism. >==== >This word not possible Percy to understand. >Summarize to the bare minimum. >The small dictionary also not have it. >======== >Not small self, as small self a ghost, yes? >There is no small self apart from the thought that there is one >(or that there are many). >====== >Thought make real for Saint Harsha to believe in ghost and then >him beleive ghost can inquire, is correct? >You would have to ask Harsha - but Ramana talks on the "i" >thought as well. >Jokingly, the "i" could be called the mind-body coordinates: it >has the same relevance. >Thought make Saint Harsha believe him exist, make Percy believe >him exist, make inquiry exist, make this all show exist. >Is correct? >No, there is no compulsion to interpret thoughts or feelings: >those "things" >already are the responses from the mind-body. For a young child, >the sense of >"i" is rudimentary, as is the case for some native (not >Westernized) ppl. >Same for Self? >Thought make even Self exist, is correct? >Thought always is response to a stimulus. The Self doesn't >think. >========= ><cut> >====== >I feel, if feeling having free will, that feeling >predestination. >Feeling gone, issue _ Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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