Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 , "bhuvan eswar chilukuri" <bhuvaneswarc@r...> wrote: > i JUST WANT TO SHARE MY VIEWS FURTHER ON THIS MOST IMPORTANT TOPIC > IN OUR LIFE: > > > Talking about conquering lust is one thing and decimating it is > another thing. > > I am a bachelor and I abstain myself from physical sex - I > succeeded by my master's grace .I am most grateful to him for this > grace. > > Abstaining from the very thought is the next thing. > > Blessed are those who have reached this state for theirs is the > kingdom of JOY! > > It is here , I succeed for hours ,days and months but somehow > ,somehow it crops up unasked for,uncalled for - that is why it is > called a vasana!!!I just wonder from where it comes!!! > > The thought does not go easily - i mean ,decimated easily .It > goes only when one realises 'the flesh and blood variation ' truly > as an experience.Then he gains suddha vasana.To realise that one > needs to do intense sadhana by vairagya,vichara,and bhakti.He > should separate the love in lust and transfer it to God and then > again merge it in HIM.Manonasam "decimation of the thought"is > different from suppression of the thought. > > It is as I have found from my own humble experience that unless > one gets to the "lover" who is the mischief maker,one cannot get > rid of this vasana.tHE ONLY Physical PROOF OF THAT CONQUEROR IS IN > hIS eyes.Please See the eyes of Sri Ramana!!! > > Love always, > > bhuvaneswar > In the Great War...............the hormones are known for their flanking maneuvers and sneakiness........the neurons for their steadfastness and predictability. No one ever wins the Great War........ > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 bhuvan eswar chilukuri wrote : > >hULLOO! > > > > > >'Unless a lover ,a seeker after truth he will not become!' > > > >Wrong: Nirguna Brahman is uncaused so a seeker stays a seeker > >until the attitude is given up, all attitudes are given up. > > > >lOVE THE LOVER - THAT IS MY POINT!!! > > > >pLEASE tRY WHAT I SAID BEFORE YOU SAY IT IS WRONG! > > > >nIRGUNA BRAHMAN IS SOUGHT FIRST BY MERGING THE THOUGHT IN THE > >SOURCE AND AS THE THOUGHT IS DECIMATED - VASANA KSHAYAM -THE > >SORCE REMAINS AS IT IS - SO SAY THE WISE .aNY HOW ,i HAVE NOT > >YET > >REACHED THAT STATE BUT I KNOW THAT STATE OF WHICH i AM TALKING > >ABOUT -THE SECONDARY REFLECTION STATE ,THE FIRST THOUGHT > >STATE,THE > >EGO IN sRI rAMANA MAHARSHI'S TEACHINGS,FROM WHERE i HAVE TO > >RETRACE IT FURTHER AND FURTHER INTO ITS SOURCE. > > > >jNANADEVATU KAIVALYAM!!! > > > >lOVE ONLY, > > > >BHUVANESWAR > > > >On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 ecirada wrote : > > >On 9/21/03 at 8:56 AM bhuvan eswar chilukuri wrote: > > > > > >ºHellolooloo Fred the seeker of advaitha and Ramana, > > >º > > >ºThat is the beginning of all fusion from and of all > > >confusion!!! > > >º > > >ºHow can light and darkness co-exist!!! > > > > > >Similar as at a moonless night. Remember, light isn't seen > >until > > >it hits the eyes. > > > > > >º > > >ºI wonder what happens to you when you next time holda woman > >in > > >ºyour embrace and then simultaneously ask who is holding whom > > >and > > >ºthen immediately separate the question from the questioner > >and > > >ºhold the questioner tight ,man!!!,real tight without any gap > > >ºbetween the holding and the held !!! > > > > > >Swami Sivananda once wrote a paragraph titled "miserable > >mundane > > >life" > > >and mentioned man as the sporting lapdog of women, who are as > > >real as the > > >artificial color of their hair, the set of false teeth, and as > >he > > >remarked, > > >"after a few weeks of fever, not having been washed, the > >stench > > >is abominable". > > >You get the picture, that was meant to show the issue of > >"lust", > > >a most tenacious > > >property of the "John Doe" type of householder who doesn't > >know > > >the difference > > >between "love" and "lust": true love needs no object. > > >º > > >ºThen you will > > >º > > >ºaaaaaoohhhooo > > >º!!!uuuuuhhhihii......mmmmmmm.....0000000.SIIILLLEEENCCe. > > >º > > >ºBoy!!! > > > > > >During John Doe's everyday life, the silence isn't > >recognized, > > >too busy watching movies, listening to the boss, colleagues, > >a > > >nagging wife, screaming kids and the barking dog: the mind is > > >at > > >rest in deep dreamless sleep only. > > >º > > >ºKami ga:ni mo:ksha ga:mi ga:du > > >ºlover but salvation but not become > > >º > > >º'Unless a lover ,a seeker after truth he will not become!' > > > > > >Wrong: Nirguna Brahman is uncaused so a seeker stays a seeker > > >until the attitude is given up, all attitudes are given up. > > >º > > >ºLove to the very marrow of the bones of your lover.All the > > >ºbest!!! > > > > > >Where stays love in deep dreamless sleep? > > >º > > >ºYou know what happened to one of our beloved saints Kabir > > >Das(?) > > >º,the poet: > > >º > > >ºhe too fell in love with his wife top,bottom,center,left and > > >ºright,inside and outside and every side !!! > > >º > > >ºHooyyaa! > > > > > >Love is a subject-object issue for most. Ramana fell in love > >with > > >the red mountain > > >and wrote a series of poems on it, the 40 verses. > > >º > > >ºin the stormy night , he mistook a corpse for a log and held > >on > > >to > > >ºit in the mighty Ganga,crossed the river in the dark night > >and > > >ºthen reached the house of his beloved wife and climbed > > >through > > >ºthe black serpent thinking that it was a rope and reached > >the > > >ºupstairs to see his love.When his wife saw him dripping in > >the > > >ºdownstairs ( in rain,boy!) ,she said, > > >º > > >º"If only you show this to God!!!" > > >º > > >ºThat is the end of the whole show and the beginning of all > > >ºshows!!! > > > > > >The end of the show is when "God" is seen for what it is, > > >instead > > >of a creator without a creator. > > >º > > >º > > >ºLove only the one who created the most beautiful woman!!! > > > > > >Care to know "love for the other gender" is rooted in the > >mating > > >issue? > > >Do you love a diseased women of 80, who hasn't been washed for > >6 > > >months, > > >just as much as the fertile woman in her mid-twenties? > > >º > > >ºHow much more beautiful he will be!!! > > > > > >Beauty has a biological basis: fertility again. Symmetry for > > >instance > > >signifies flawless genes. In order not to hurt your feelings, > >the > > >mind > > >issues a message like "oh what a beautiful goddess, i want to > > >share my > > >life with her" instead of "get her into a cave, have fun, > > >finished!". > > >º > > >ºI am a bachelor and I am trying but the going is slippery!!! > > > > > >Swami Sivananda's "practice of yoga" has a chapter devoted to > > >bachelors like you: a "must read". > > >º > > >ºBECAUSE I AM FOOOOOOTLOOOOSE !!!I am getting some proverbial > > >ºexercises to make my feet strong!!! > > > > > >Easy: who wants to be hoodwinked by what in some systems is > > >called "lower nature"? > > >º > > >ºAs Larus found the red lotus flowers > > >ºWhere there is a will there is a way > > >ºWhere there is a will God will show the way > > >ºAs Larus found the red lotus flowers > > > > > >"As you meditate, so you become". > > >º > > >ºYou know about this lotus show? > > >ºIf not ask one Lady Joy - she is in Heaven but descends once > >in > > >a > > >ºway to and nowadays to > >Proverbiallinguists.She > > >ºknows what is love since she wrote n immortal poem on love > > >just > > >ºrecently!!! > > > > > >No dirt will stick to a lotus leaf: growing from the mud, it > >is > > >stainless > > >even when the flowers are gone. > > >º > > >ºSEEYAALOVERBOY > > > > > >Take care and don't get carried away. > > >Does the word "equanimity" ring a bell here? > > >It will, when instead of pouring milk over holy linga, > > >it is offered to the needy, the homeless, starving in the > > >streets. Same milk that yet makes can make a difference. > > > > > >Remember, Namadev realized, by seeing Krishna in a stray dog. > > >He offered food, Krishna tested Namadev and then showed > > >himself. > > >You treat homeless and hungry one(s) like Krishna, and same > > >happens. > > >This is life of true Bhakta, Jnani and Buddha, > >simultaneously, > > >like Sivananda showed. > > >º > > >º > > >ºYOURS Proverbially in HarshhhARShAICALLY, > > >º > > >ºChilukuri Bhuvaneswar > > > > > >No-thing matters but matter cannot know that. > > > > > >Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------ Sponsor > > > > > >/join > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Love itself is the actual form of God." > > > > > >Sri Ramana > > > > > >In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > >_ > >Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. > >Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! > >Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1 > > > > > >------------------------ Sponsor > > > >/join > > > > > > > > > > > >"Love itself is the actual form of God." > > > >Sri Ramana > > > >In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > _ > Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. > Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! > Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 Respected sir, As long as you are under someone's control,how can you transcend him? Even in the Indian tradition vasanas are burnt like dagdha beejams 'burnt seeds'.They can never sprout again.If you cut them or leave them ,they will return againlike the sprouting of leaves from a truncated tree. As long as the program is there, the same music will be played. God!!!We must eliminate the vasanas!!! Love always, Bhuvaneswar I do not understand this logic. On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 MICHAEL BINDEL wrote : >about >conquering or decimating > "lust" >lust is bodily nothing bad about it b u t >are you the body???? >decimating something does not seem to be the answer >conquering looks better but still thats not the good way at least >for myself > >but >transcendening >it seems better >but without illusions >b u t illusions are everywhere so easily to fetch > >enjoing pure bodily sex without illusions about "love" >nothing wrong with it its honest > >a woman should only share sex with a man when she wants it >100percent >like a man > >if you try to live spiritual sex is wonderful as a way to heaven >to fullfillment >to get a glimpse of paradise >b u t only if deep very deep love is involved >if this form of love is involved a touch of bodily lust is not >bad >if >you are aware of it > >if loving GD with all your being loving your woman/man is the >same love >loving this way "sex" is love too > >living without bodily sex why not? but only if it is not a >selfdelusion.... > > >all the best > > >michael of tuscany >> "toombaru" >> > >> > >> Re: Re:SELF DISCIPLINE Re: >>Introduction: > >>Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:32:36 -0000 > >> > >>, "bhuvan eswar >>chilukuri" > >> >wrote: > >> > i JUST WANT TO SHARE MY VIEWS FURTHER ON THIS MOST IMPORTANT >>TOPIC > >> > IN OUR LIFE: > >> > > >> > > >> > Talking about conquering lust is one thing and decimating it >>is > >> > another thing. > >> > > >> > I am a bachelor and I abstain myself from physical sex - I > >> > succeeded by my master's grace .I am most grateful to him for >>this > >> > grace. > >> > > >> > Abstaining from the very thought is the next thing. > >> > > >> > Blessed are those who have reached this state for theirs is >>the > >> > kingdom of JOY! > >> > > >> > It is here , I succeed for hours ,days and months but >>somehow > >> > ,somehow it crops up unasked for,uncalled for - that is why >>it is > >> > called a vasana!!!I just wonder from where it comes!!! > >> > > >> > The thought does not go easily - i mean ,decimated easily >>.It > >> > goes only when one realises 'the flesh and blood variation ' >>truly > >> > as an experience.Then he gains suddha vasana.To realise that >>one > >> > needs to do intense sadhana by vairagya,vichara,and >>bhakti.He > >> > should separate the love in lust and transfer it to God and >>then > >> > again merge it in HIM.Manonasam "decimation of the >>thought"is > >> > different from suppression of the thought. > >> > > >> > It is as I have found from my own humble experience that >>unless > >> > one gets to the "lover" who is the mischief maker,one cannot >>get > >> > rid of this vasana.tHE ONLY Physical PROOF OF THAT CONQUEROR >>IS IN > >> > hIS eyes.Please See the eyes of Sri Ramana!!! > >> > > >> > Love always, > >> > > >> > bhuvaneswar > >> > > >> > >> > >>In the Great War...............the hormones are known for >>their > >>flanking maneuvers and sneakiness........the neurons for their > >>steadfastness and predictability. > >> > >>No one ever wins the Great War........ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 bhuvan eswar chilukuri wrote : > >> > >hULLOO! > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >'Unless a lover ,a seeker after truth he will not become!' > >> > > > >> > >Wrong: Nirguna Brahman is uncaused so a seeker stays a >>seeker > >> > >until the attitude is given up, all attitudes are given >>up. > >> > > > >> > >lOVE THE LOVER - THAT IS MY POINT!!! > >> > > > >> > >pLEASE tRY WHAT I SAID BEFORE YOU SAY IT IS WRONG! > >> > > > >> > >nIRGUNA BRAHMAN IS SOUGHT FIRST BY MERGING THE THOUGHT IN >>THE > >> > >SOURCE AND AS THE THOUGHT IS DECIMATED - VASANA KSHAYAM >>-THE > >> > >SORCE REMAINS AS IT IS - SO SAY THE WISE .aNY HOW ,i HAVE >>NOT > >> > >YET > >> > >REACHED THAT STATE BUT I KNOW THAT STATE OF WHICH i AM >>TALKING > >> > >ABOUT -THE SECONDARY REFLECTION STATE ,THE FIRST THOUGHT > >> > >STATE,THE > >> > >EGO IN sRI rAMANA MAHARSHI'S TEACHINGS,FROM WHERE i HAVE >>TO > >> > >RETRACE IT FURTHER AND FURTHER INTO ITS SOURCE. > >> > > > >> > >jNANADEVATU KAIVALYAM!!! > >> > > > >> > >lOVE ONLY, > >> > > > >> > >BHUVANESWAR > >> > > > >> > >On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 ecirada wrote : > >> > > >On 9/21/03 at 8:56 AM bhuvan eswar chilukuri wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >ºHellolooloo Fred the seeker of advaitha and Ramana, > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºThat is the beginning of all fusion from and of all > >> > > >confusion!!! > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºHow can light and darkness co-exist!!! > >> > > > > >> > > >Similar as at a moonless night. Remember, light isn't >>seen > >> > >until > >> > > >it hits the eyes. > >> > > > > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºI wonder what happens to you when you next time holda >>woman > >> > >in > >> > > >ºyour embrace and then simultaneously ask who is holding >>whom > >> > > >and > >> > > >ºthen immediately separate the question from the >>questioner > >> > >and > >> > > >ºhold the questioner tight ,man!!!,real tight without any >>gap > >> > > >ºbetween the holding and the held !!! > >> > > > > >> > > >Swami Sivananda once wrote a paragraph titled "miserable > >> > >mundane > >> > > >life" > >> > > >and mentioned man as the sporting lapdog of women, who are >>as > >> > > >real as the > >> > > >artificial color of their hair, the set of false teeth, >>and as > >> > >he > >> > > >remarked, > >> > > >"after a few weeks of fever, not having been washed, the > >> > >stench > >> > > >is abominable". > >> > > >You get the picture, that was meant to show the issue of > >> > >"lust", > >> > > >a most tenacious > >> > > >property of the "John Doe" type of householder who >>doesn't > >> > >know > >> > > >the difference > >> > > >between "love" and "lust": true love needs no object. > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºThen you will > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºaaaaaoohhhooo > >> > > >> >º!!!uuuuuhhhihii......mmmmmmm.....0000000.SIIILLLEEENCCe. > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºBoy!!! > >> > > > > >> > > >During John Doe's everyday life, the silence isn't > >> > >recognized, > >> > > >too busy watching movies, listening to the boss, >>colleagues, > >> > >a > >> > > >nagging wife, screaming kids and the barking dog: the mind >>is > >> > > >at > >> > > >rest in deep dreamless sleep only. > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºKami ga:ni mo:ksha ga:mi ga:du > >> > > >ºlover but salvation but not become > >> > > >º > >> > > >º'Unless a lover ,a seeker after truth he will not >>become!' > >> > > > > >> > > >Wrong: Nirguna Brahman is uncaused so a seeker stays a >>seeker > >> > > >until the attitude is given up, all attitudes are given >>up. > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºLove to the very marrow of the bones of your lover.All >>the > >> > > >ºbest!!! > >> > > > > >> > > >Where stays love in deep dreamless sleep? > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºYou know what happened to one of our beloved saints >>Kabir > >> > > >Das(?) > >> > > >º,the poet: > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºhe too fell in love with his wife top,bottom,center,left >>and > >> > > >ºright,inside and outside and every side !!! > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºHooyyaa! > >> > > > > >> > > >Love is a subject-object issue for most. Ramana fell in >>love > >> > >with > >> > > >the red mountain > >> > > >and wrote a series of poems on it, the 40 verses. > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºin the stormy night , he mistook a corpse for a log and >>held > >> > >on > >> > > >to > >> > > >ºit in the mighty Ganga,crossed the river in the dark >>night > >> > >and > >> > > >ºthen reached the house of his beloved wife and climbed > >> > > >through > >> > > >ºthe black serpent thinking that it was a rope and >>reached > >> > >the > >> > > >ºupstairs to see his love.When his wife saw him dripping >>in > >> > >the > >> > > >ºdownstairs ( in rain,boy!) ,she said, > >> > > >º > >> > > >º"If only you show this to God!!!" > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºThat is the end of the whole show and the beginning of >>all > >> > > >ºshows!!! > >> > > > > >> > > >The end of the show is when "God" is seen for what it >>is, > >> > > >instead > >> > > >of a creator without a creator. > >> > > >º > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºLove only the one who created the most beautiful >>woman!!! > >> > > > > >> > > >Care to know "love for the other gender" is rooted in >>the > >> > >mating > >> > > >issue? > >> > > >Do you love a diseased women of 80, who hasn't been washed >>for > >> > >6 > >> > > >months, > >> > > >just as much as the fertile woman in her mid-twenties? > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºHow much more beautiful he will be!!! > >> > > > > >> > > >Beauty has a biological basis: fertility again. Symmetry >>for > >> > > >instance > >> > > >signifies flawless genes. In order not to hurt your >>feelings, > >> > >the > >> > > >mind > >> > > >issues a message like "oh what a beautiful goddess, i want >>to > >> > > >share my > >> > > >life with her" instead of "get her into a cave, have >>fun, > >> > > >finished!". > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºI am a bachelor and I am trying but the going is >>slippery!!! > >> > > > > >> > > >Swami Sivananda's "practice of yoga" has a chapter devoted >>to > >> > > >bachelors like you: a "must read". > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºBECAUSE I AM FOOOOOOTLOOOOSE !!!I am getting some >>proverbial > >> > > >ºexercises to make my feet strong!!! > >> > > > > >> > > >Easy: who wants to be hoodwinked by what in some systems >>is > >> > > >called "lower nature"? > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºAs Larus found the red lotus flowers > >> > > >ºWhere there is a will there is a way > >> > > >ºWhere there is a will God will show the way > >> > > >ºAs Larus found the red lotus flowers > >> > > > > >> > > >"As you meditate, so you become". > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºYou know about this lotus show? > >> > > >ºIf not ask one Lady Joy - she is in Heaven but descends >>once > >> > >in > >> > > >a > >> > > >ºway to and nowadays to > >> > >Proverbiallinguists.She > >> > > >ºknows what is love since she wrote n immortal poem on >>love > >> > > >just > >> > > >ºrecently!!! > >> > > > > >> > > >No dirt will stick to a lotus leaf: growing from the mud, >>it > >> > >is > >> > > >stainless > >> > > >even when the flowers are gone. > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºSEEYAALOVERBOY > >> > > > > >> > > >Take care and don't get carried away. > >> > > >Does the word "equanimity" ring a bell here? > >> > > >It will, when instead of pouring milk over holy linga, > >> > > >it is offered to the needy, the homeless, starving in >>the > >> > > >streets. Same milk that yet makes can make a difference. > >> > > > > >> > > >Remember, Namadev realized, by seeing Krishna in a stray >>dog. > >> > > >He offered food, Krishna tested Namadev and then showed > >> > > >himself. > >> > > >You treat homeless and hungry one(s) like Krishna, and >>same > >> > > >happens. > >> > > >This is life of true Bhakta, Jnani and Buddha, > >> > >simultaneously, > >> > > >like Sivananda showed. > >> > > >º > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºYOURS Proverbially in HarshhhARShAICALLY, > >> > > >º > >> > > >ºChilukuri Bhuvaneswar > >> > > > > >> > > >No-thing matters but matter cannot know that. > >> > > > > >> > > >Jan > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >------------------------ Sponsor > >> > > > > >> > > >/join > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >"Love itself is the actual form of God." > >> > > > > >> > > >Sri Ramana > >> > > > > >> > > >In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > >> > > > > >> > > >Your use of is subject to > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > >_ > >> > >Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. > >> > >Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! > >> > >Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1 > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >------------------------ Sponsor > >> > > > >> > >/join > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >"Love itself is the actual form of God." > >> > > > >> > >Sri Ramana > >> > > > >> > >In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > >> > > > >> > >Your use of is subject to > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > _ > >> > Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. > >> > Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! > >> > Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1 > >> > >The new >MSN 8: >smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > > Sponsor > >/join > > >"Love itself is the actual form of God." >Sri Ramana >In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma >Your use of is subject to the > Terms of Service >. _ Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. 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