Apologies and Hologram

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Hello Bhuvan,

It took me a bit long to answer you because I have been

somewhat busy with mundane affairs, especially University.

You're talking about LOVING THE ONE WHO LOVES...LOVING THE

SELF?

Yes that is interesting. That is something I do not as much

as I would like. I often find myself with low motivation because I

have been through so many experiences and yet I know love can only

pour through me if I first of all love myself passionately.

The problem when I tried to find my Self was:

1- I thought: is my body the Self? No. My body is not my

Self otherwise it would not be MY body.

2- then I thought: are my feelings and thoughts my Self?

No, they cannot be, since they pass before me like a cloud passes in

the sky.

3- then I thought: is my consciousness my Self? And the

answer was, YES, but my consciousness is not my MIND. my Mind is a

product from my Consciousness. So I have found:

Consciousness creates Mind creates Body creates

Consciousness. OOPS,,

Is this a vicious circle? I think yes it is.

Then at another meditation I found out:

What I call "outside world" does not exist in fact (law of

insubstantiality, anatman), and neither do I.

The outside world appears as a very complex projection of

the Self. It is a projection which has:

1- a past aspect, which is more basally experienced as the

body and the background of the phenomena you witness (for example, a

car passes before you on a street. The background would be the

street, the village or town or city, etc.) This first aspect related

to past is related to group consciousness, racial type consciousness

and is the more animal type or layer of the experience. The past

aspect is basically experienced as body and world -- there were past

actions which supposedly generated your birth at a certain place that

already existed when you were born.

2- there is a present aspect which is expressed as the

individual perception of the phenomena, i.e., the individual is aware

of his existence and his interactions with the external world, through

his mind. This is basically the mind.

3- there is a future or simultaneous aspect which is

related to the immediate projections of the Self in this world and

body of the past. This happens through many things such as

syncronicity. For example, last night I went to buy wax for my

surfboard. I went to a small surfshop and I was thinking what brand I

would buy. Since I have not surfed for 3 years, I did not remember any

brand of surfing wax. I thought "I'll buy the most famous one" as I

walked into the shop. When I looked at the place where the little

bricks of wax were placed, the first brand my eyes fell on was....

"FAMOUS" SURFING WAX. This experience was so interesting, I began to

laugh. I immediately I remembered Maharshi when he wrote about

SIMULTANEOUS CREATION. This also remembered me of Jan and Percy here

talking about the play of Maya. But to enter into this 3rd layer of

experience is somewhat frightening, your normal reasoning mechanisms

have to be transcended and this scares me a lot, I'm afraid of going

insane although for some reason I know that I have passed the point

where I could go insane on that.

This lead me to the astonishing conclusion that the world

is an illusion, an individual spiritual projection, and everyone has

the ability to access this 3rd layer of experience and comprove this

for him/herself. It's like a hologram, each little piece contains the

whole as well as the whole contains each little piece. You can

experience both sides of this, while the majority of people only

experience the second possibility of experience, which is that of

ignorance (the self is a product of the whole). Not only this is

true, but also that the whole is a reflection of the self.

May we all achieve Liberation and in our way, may Love and

Peace pour through us all.

Frederico

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bhuvan eswar chilukuri

Tuesday, September 23, 2003 2:30 PM

Re: Apologies

My dear soul of the soul of the soul,By the by , i AM A CHARACTER BORN

IN INDIA AND BROUGHT UP IN INDIA AND WORKED IN NIGERIA!!!!Who is this

I ???I have not been reading the mail carefully!!!did you try my

request made in my last letter!!!I am interested to know what you

find.Let us share your experience of this type of love making:Loving

the one who does the loving thing!!!Love always,bhuvaneswarOn Mon, 22

Sep 2003 Frederico S. Gonzales wrote :> Hello Harsha, Jan and

all,>> First, Jan (if this is your name; I am referring

to >the person who writes with the email ecirada) I'm awfully sorry

>if I sounded agressive in my exposition of what I consider to be

>the sacred nature of the male-female love. Yes you can consider

>this old-fashioned, but in my opinion even being very actual and

>updated in terms of mentality a person can still have this

>idealistic vision of mating.> When I quoted Buddha I

never did that to compare you >or to suggest subtly that you were "a

pig". I simply made a >rational statement that could be better put by

me as: "each one >sees what he or she wants to see".> I do

not understand how can one person consider love >between male and

female to be darkness. Or perhaps let us call it >PASSION instead of

LOVE. Love is a strong word and there is only >one love, which is

divine, of which this lesser love of gender is >but a lower

reflection, as I have said.> By exposing my opinions in

this Satsang I am not >trying to force my views on anyone. Sometimes

I am a little >beclouded and of course I go a little too far in

statements and I >am somewhat fierce in exposing my points of view.>

Now seriously, my sincere apologies Jan.> Since

this is a friendly conversation forum, I would >like to ask Clownpercy

one question.> Percy, why do you always refer to yourself

in the >third person (you write "Percy read", "Percy needs time",

etc.) >Is this because from your vantage point you are not Percy? If

>this is the case, I would like to know more about your >experience.

Also I would like to know where you are from, Percy, >and also Jan,

Harsha and Bhuvan. As I have said I am from >Brazil.>>

Cheers!>

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