Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 You got it baby!!! Tell this fredirico boy about this. The Bindeel man from Tuscany and Ecirada!!! When you leave the thought and hold the thoughtER ,this is what is going to happen. I wish they understand me or overstand me but not standaway from me. Fredirico,you are a precious gem of Brazil.Hold on and you will also get it. On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 Jeannie wrote : > >Within the beauty of the day I walk down the street, passing >people, nature, building's as if they are newly come from deep >within my heart. Today it wasn't me walking down the street >Something else that opened a door from my heart and walked in my >steps. There is a deep difference from that outlook. For a time >not one thought came to mind, simply an expanse of consciousness >that not only was inside but outside.........Not one thought of >judgment, nothing of good/bad. It was as though the world was >brighter than it usually is, more alive as I saw not people and >things but The Infinite exploring Itself in that moment of >beauty. I was more aware of what I saw than of the little psyche >that creates the judgments and believe they are real. Today I >was more my Heart Self than the me that always wants to be >noticed. Today I walked in shoes that expanded past the narrow >thinking of mortal man and saw from the heart that loves all. > >love/hugs >Jeannie > _ Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 You got it baby!!! Tell this fredirico boy about this. The Bindeel man from Tuscany and Ecirada!!! When you leave the thought and hold the thoughtER ,this is what is going to happen. I wish they understand me or overstand me but not standaway from me. Fredirico,you are a precious gem of Brazil.Hold on and you will also get it. On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 Jeannie wrote : > >Within the beauty of the day I walk down the street, passing >people, nature, building's as if they are newly come from deep >within my heart. Today it wasn't me walking down the street >Something else that opened a door from my heart and walked in my >steps. There is a deep difference from that outlook. For a time >not one thought came to mind, simply an expanse of consciousness >that not only was inside but outside.........Not one thought of >judgment, nothing of good/bad. It was as though the world was >brighter than it usually is, more alive as I saw not people and >things but The Infinite exploring Itself in that moment of >beauty. I was more aware of what I saw than of the little psyche >that creates the judgments and believe they are real. Today I >was more my Heart Self than the me that always wants to be >noticed. Today I walked in shoes that expanded past the narrow >thinking of mortal man and saw from the heart that loves all. > >love/hugs >Jeannie > _ Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 dear sir the bindel man Michael asks you for clarification what did you mean? tku michael >"bhuvan eswar chilukuri" > >To: >Re: the beauty of the day for Fredirico >29 Sep 2003 08:53:51 -0000 > > >You got it baby!!! > >Tell this fredirico boy about this. The Bindeel man from Tuscany >and Ecirada!!! > >When you leave the thought and hold the thoughtER ,this is what is >going to happen. > > >I wish they understand me or overstand me but not standaway from >me. > >Fredirico,you are a precious gem of Brazil.Hold on and you will >also get it. >On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 Jeannie wrote : > > > >Within the beauty of the day I walk down the street, passing > >people, nature, building's as if they are newly come from deep > >within my heart. Today it wasn't me walking down the street > >Something else that opened a door from my heart and walked in my > >steps. There is a deep difference from that outlook. For a time > >not one thought came to mind, simply an expanse of consciousness > >that not only was inside but outside.........Not one thought of > >judgment, nothing of good/bad. It was as though the world was > >brighter than it usually is, more alive as I saw not people and > >things but The Infinite exploring Itself in that moment of > >beauty. I was more aware of what I saw than of the little psyche > >that creates the judgments and believe they are real. Today I > >was more my Heart Self than the me that always wants to be > >noticed. Today I walked in shoes that expanded past the narrow > >thinking of mortal man and saw from the heart that loves all. > > > >love/hugs > >Jeannie > > > >_ >Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. >Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! >Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1 > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 Most respected Sir, I mean this much. When you hold on to the Love-ER and leave the loving business,this is what is going to happen,sir. I mean this much . I want you to share this glory that is within if you have not experienced it already. I mean this much.Whoever and whatever and wherever a man is if he leaves the question and grab the questioner,leaves the thought and hold on to the thought-ER,this is what is going to happen. Much more will happen if we probe further and further according to some but I do not know about that and so I caan 't talk about it. I am a pravruththi-ridden character roaming on my horse and wandering the streets but I too will one day get what Sri Ramana was talking about. May the glory of Sri Samkara Bhagavatpujyapada's oceanic love drown you in the Ecstasy of Bliss, Love always, Bhuvaneswar On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 MICHAEL BINDEL wrote : >dear sir >the bindel man Michael >asks you for clarification > >what did you mean? > >tku michael >> "bhuvan eswar chilukuri" >> > >> > >>Re: the beauty of the day for >>Fredirico > >>29 Sep 2003 08:53:51 -0000 > >> > >> > >>You got it baby!!! > >> > >>Tell this fredirico boy about this. The Bindeel man from >>Tuscany > >>and Ecirada!!! > >> > >>When you leave the thought and hold the thoughtER ,this is what >>is > >>going to happen. > >> > >> > >>I wish they understand me or overstand me but not standaway >> from > >>me. > >> > >>Fredirico,you are a precious gem of Brazil.Hold on and you >>will > >>also get it. > >>On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 Jeannie wrote : > >> > > >> >Within the beauty of the day I walk down the street, passing > >> >people, nature, building's as if they are newly come from >>deep > >> >within my heart. Today it wasn't me walking down the street > >> >Something else that opened a door from my heart and walked in >>my > >> >steps. There is a deep difference from that outlook. For a >>time > >> >not one thought came to mind, simply an expanse of >>consciousness > >> >that not only was inside but outside.........Not one thought >>of > >> >judgment, nothing of good/bad. It was as though the world >>was > >> >brighter than it usually is, more alive as I saw not people >>and > >> >things but The Infinite exploring Itself in that moment of > >> >beauty. I was more aware of what I saw than of the little >>psyche > >> >that creates the judgments and believe they are real. Today >>I > >> >was more my Heart Self than the me that always wants to be > >> >noticed. Today I walked in shoes that expanded past the >>narrow > >> >thinking of mortal man and saw from the heart that loves >>all. > >> > > >> >love/hugs > >> >Jeannie > >> > > >> > >>_ > >>Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. > >>Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! > >>Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1 > >> > >STOP MORE SPAM with >the new MSN 8 >and get 2 months FREE* > > Sponsor > >/join > > >"Love itself is the actual form of God." >Sri Ramana >In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma >Your use of is subject to the > Terms of Service >. _ Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 j o y feeling YOU flowers should blossom where your steps are touching ing YOURSELF AS YOU ARE COMPLETELY thats the way to experience the LOVE is many times needed till the Egotrip is over and only afterwards we experience the joy of being in the LORD YES ing SOUL Michael "the Bindel-man" has experienced the BLISS OF THE ONE AND ONLY who resides in you in Frederico in Harsha in Vicky in all of us >Most respected Sir, MICHAEL FOR YOU if you want >I mean this much. When you hold on to the Love-ER and leave the >loving business,this is what is going to happen,sir. but without living thru the "loving business" with all its "dark sides" how can you experience GDLY LOVE AND ECSTASY in human form? most respected soul: in human form we should live everything we have to learn how grateful I am for all the difficulties I experienced for all the "negativity" for all the "positive sides" for MAYA what a wonderful play but having found the nectar of life thru the bliss of our LORD I know how difficult it is to reach this knowledge and most respected indian friend everything we learn we have to BE agree???? >I mean this much . I want you to share this glory that is within >if you have not experienced it already. I experienced it tku LORD b u t knowing "myself" I know the endlos possibilites of selfdelusion.... so for me the only way to be honest to "myself" is living the way RAMANA said it so many times..... >I mean this much.Whoever and whatever and wherever a man is if he >leaves the question and grab the questioner,leaves the thought and >hold on to the thought-ER,this is what is going to happen. THATS IT SIR holding the thoughter and coming "home" > >Much more will happen if we probe further and further according >to some but I do not know about that and so I caan 't talk about >it. but you can share your "personal" experiences and thru this proceed I am ready you too? > >I am a pravruththi-ridden PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TERM character roaming on my horse and >wandering the streets but I too will one day get what Sri Ramana >was talking about. THIS EXPRESSION TOUCHED "ME" VERY MUCH INDEED MICHAEL IS RIDING HIS HORSE UNDERSTOOD WHAT RAMANA WAS TALKING ABOUT IT WAS LIKE A PUZZLE WHICH FITTED BUT B U T ONLY MICHAEL WAS GROWN UP ENOUGH MATURE ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND IT A LOT OF THIS WAS NECESSARY BUT "MUCH" NOT SO NECESSARY IF MICHAEL WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SO STUBBORN > >May the glory of Sri Samkara Bhagavatpujyapada's oceanic love >drown you in the Ecstasy of Bliss, if this wonderful words of your hindi/indian traditions are living by YOU blessed are you >Love always, > > >Bhuvaneswar is this your family name or your first name? love to you too >On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 MICHAEL BINDEL wrote : > >dear sir > >the bindel man Michael > >asks you for clarification > > > >what did you mean? > > > >tku michael > >> "bhuvan eswar chilukuri" > >> > > > >>To: > > > >>Re: the beauty of the day for > >>Fredirico > > > >>29 Sep 2003 08:53:51 -0000 > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>You got it baby!!! > > > >> > > > >>Tell this fredirico boy about this. The Bindeel man from > >>Tuscany > > > >>and Ecirada!!! > > > >> > > > >>When you leave the thought and hold the thoughtER ,this is what > >>is > > > >>going to happen. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>I wish they understand me or overstand me but not standaway > >> from > > > >>me. > > > >> > > > >>Fredirico,you are a precious gem of Brazil.Hold on and you > >>will > > > >>also get it. > > > >>On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 Jeannie wrote : > > > >> > > > > >> >Within the beauty of the day I walk down the street, passing > > > >> >people, nature, building's as if they are newly come from > >>deep > > > >> >within my heart. Today it wasn't me walking down the street > > > >> >Something else that opened a door from my heart and walked in > >>my > > > >> >steps. There is a deep difference from that outlook. For a > >>time > > > >> >not one thought came to mind, simply an expanse of > >>consciousness > > > >> >that not only was inside but outside.........Not one thought > >>of > > > >> >judgment, nothing of good/bad. It was as though the world > >>was > > > >> >brighter than it usually is, more alive as I saw not people > >>and > > > >> >things but The Infinite exploring Itself in that moment of > > > >> >beauty. I was more aware of what I saw than of the little > >>psyche > > > >> >that creates the judgments and believe they are real. Today > >>I > > > >> >was more my Heart Self than the me that always wants to be > > > >> >noticed. Today I walked in shoes that expanded past the > >>narrow > > > >> >thinking of mortal man and saw from the heart that loves > >>all. > > > >> > > > > >> >love/hugs > > > >> >Jeannie > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >>_ > > > >>Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. > > > >>Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! > > > >>Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1 > > > >> > > > >STOP MORE SPAM with > >the new MSN 8 > >and get 2 months FREE* > > > > Sponsor > > > >/join > > > > > >"Love itself is the actual form of God." > >Sri Ramana > >In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > >> > Terms of Service > >. > >_ >Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. >Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! >Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1 > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 Hi there Bhuvan, I think it is impossible to express this experience of Unity in words. It is possible to get near in terms of conceptions. My Buddhist teacher tells me it's like a diamond, there are many facets. Each one who interprets the experience does this in a different way, because the ultimate interpreter cannot know itself. So when you have Advaita talking about Atman, I know what this means. This means I am not only my body and mind. In fact, the whole world is simply.....my self...The Self projects the whole world. I have directly experienced this a few times and it was such a bliss. I just went bursting into tears. I think, Bhuvan, you are being a little presumptous about me. You don't know me personally. Let me put clearly what I have experienced. The world is a reflection of the Self. The Self then imagines itself to be a single entity, and from there comes repeated births, which are not births in the objective sense that there is a soul which is actually born in an independent world, no no no. My view and my experience is that rebirths are simply other projections. This life now is a projection. Due to the belief that it is actually a human being, a separate entity, the Self then projects another world and the whole thing starts again when death occurs in a normal person. And because the world the person knew was this world, the new world is going to be similar, the Self may then appear in another country etc., but in the same world and universe. This is my understanding of rebirth. It is not that the world or some brain mechanism creates the Jiva, it is the Jiva who creates the brain and body because the Jiva is illuded as being independent and therefore, appears as independent, as a person with a mind and a body and a lifespan. Now I would like you, Bhuvan, to ponder non-emotionally about what we Buddhists call ANATMAN. Anatman is the non-existence of an Atman. The Atman as you know, is the Self who projects the world and body and mind in each new incarnation because of residual vasanas in the subtle mind (these vasanas which form the Jiva). Why do Buddhists say there is not an Atman? Because the Buddhist teachers realized that if each Self projects the whole of the world and other selves, then my friend, it is all an illusion even this Self which projects! If each Self projects every other Self, then you can easily imagine that all the selves are equally illusory. This is Anatman and Shunyata. This problem was scientifically resolved long ago when Heisenberg demonstrated that you cannot measure the speed and know the exact location of an electron at the same time. You either get to know the speed of the electron, or you get to know its location at a determined point in time. This is the same with the individual consciousness, you either perceive the movement of the consciousness, i.e., consciousness pure, which is Self-Realization, or you perceive the minor relations in the world, the location of that consciousness -- body, external objects, etc. Maharshi repeatedly stated that in the stage of Turyia there is no perception whatsoever. I have not reached the Turyia yet, but I promise you that when I reach it, If I do reach it, I will try to tell you what it is like. Although I think it will be impossible to describe because there will be no common-language to speak of it. Thank you for calling me a gem or Brazil : ) It's not just me, though. There are people waking up everywhere and Brazil is no exception. But each one interprets it a different way and each one has a certain level of attainment, while I think a fully self-realized being is very very rare and I AM NOT ONE OF THESE I can assure you. My point of view is that a marvelous expansion of consciousness is happening all around the world and those who seek with a fine flaming heart and a sober mind will find what they are searching for. I quote Nisargadatta Maharaj: " There is no final achievement. Whatever you achieve, it's good, but there's always another achievement ahead." May all beings achieve Liberation. And a hug to you, Bhuvan! Frederico - bhuvan eswar chilukuri Monday, September 29, 2003 5:53 AM Re: the beauty of the day for Fredirico You got it baby!!!Tell this fredirico boy about this. The Bindeel man from Tuscany and Ecirada!!!When you leave the thought and hold the thoughtER ,this is what is going to happen.I wish they understand me or overstand me but not standaway from me.Fredirico,you are a precious gem of Brazil.Hold on and you will also get it.On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 Jeannie wrote :>>Within the beauty of the day I walk down the street, passing >people, nature, building's as if they are newly come from deep >within my heart. Today it wasn't me walking down the street >Something else that opened a door from my heart and walked in my >steps. There is a deep difference from that outlook. For a time >not one thought came to mind, simply an expanse of consciousness >that not only was inside but outside.........Not one thought of >judgment, nothing of good/bad. It was as though the world was >brighter than it usually is, more alive as I saw not people and >things but The Infinite exploring Itself in that moment of >beauty. I was more aware of what I saw than of the little psyche >that creates the judgments and believe they are real. Today I >was more my Heart Self than the me that always wants to be >noticed. Today I walked in shoes that expanded past the narrow >thinking of mortal man and saw from the heart that loves all.>>love/hugs>Jeannie>_Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman.Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !!Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1/join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 Most respected Gem of Brazil, For the shunyatha to be beheld ,there should be a substratum.What is the substratum?I have not yet seen it .I only infer it from anumana'inferential logic' You are great in every respect!That is my feeling and also you will become an advaithin after 30 yearsor before of inquiry.That is my guess work- guessing about others or oneself is always dangerous but that is what I felt when I am typing. One day you will open a math in your country and you will invite me. Love to all Brazilians ! Love always, Bhuvaneswar On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 Frederico S. Gonzales wrote : > Hi there Bhuvan, > > I think it is impossible to express this experience of >Unity in words. It is possible to get near in terms of >conceptions. My Buddhist teacher tells me it's like a diamond, >there are many facets. Each one who interprets the experience >does this in a different way, because the ultimate interpreter >cannot know itself. > So when you have Advaita talking about Atman, I know >what this means. This means I am not only my body and mind. In >fact, the whole world is simply.....my self...The Self projects >the whole world. I have directly experienced this a few times and >it was such a bliss. I just went bursting into tears. I think, >Bhuvan, you are being a little presumptous about me. You don't >know me personally. Let me put clearly what I have experienced. > The world is a reflection of the Self. The Self then >imagines itself to be a single entity, and from there comes >repeated births, which are not births in the objective sense that >there is a soul which is actually born in an independent world, >no no no. My view and my experience is that rebirths are simply >other projections. This life now is a projection. Due to the >belief that it is actually a human being, a separate entity, the >Self then projects another world and the whole thing starts again >when death occurs in a normal person. And because the world the >person knew was this world, the new world is going to be similar, >the Self may then appear in another country etc., but in the same >world and universe. This is my understanding of rebirth. It is >not that the world or some brain mechanism creates the Jiva, it >is the Jiva who creates the brain and body because the Jiva is >illuded as being independent and therefore, appears as >independent, as a person with a mind and a body and a lifespan. > Now I would like you, Bhuvan, to ponder non-emotionally >about what we Buddhists call ANATMAN. > Anatman is the non-existence of an Atman. The Atman as >you know, is the Self who projects the world and body and mind in >each new incarnation because of residual vasanas in the subtle >mind (these vasanas which form the Jiva). Why do Buddhists say >there is not an Atman? > Because the Buddhist teachers realized that if each Self >projects the whole of the world and other selves, then my friend, >it is all an illusion even this Self which projects! If each Self >projects every other Self, then you can easily imagine that all >the selves are equally illusory. This is Anatman and Shunyata. > This problem was scientifically resolved long ago when >Heisenberg demonstrated that you cannot measure the speed and >know the exact location of an electron at the same time. You >either get to know the speed of the electron, or you get to know >its location at a determined point in time. This is the same with >the individual consciousness, you either perceive the movement of >the consciousness, i.e., consciousness pure, which is >Self-Realization, or you perceive the minor relations in the >world, the location of that consciousness -- body, external >objects, etc. Maharshi repeatedly stated that in the stage of >Turyia there is no perception whatsoever. > I have not reached the Turyia yet, but I promise you >that when I reach it, If I do reach it, I will try to tell you >what it is like. Although I think it will be impossible to >describe because there will be no common-language to speak of >it. > Thank you for calling me a gem or Brazil : ) > It's not just me, though. There are people waking up >everywhere and Brazil is no exception. But each one interprets it >a different way and each one has a certain level of attainment, >while I think a fully self-realized being is very very rare and I >AM NOT ONE OF THESE I can assure you. > My point of view is that a marvelous expansion of >consciousness is happening all around the world and those who >seek with a fine flaming heart and a sober mind will find what >they are searching for. I quote Nisargadatta Maharaj: " There is >no final achievement. Whatever you achieve, it's good, but >there's always another achievement ahead." > May all beings achieve Liberation. > And a hug to you, Bhuvan! > > Frederico > - > bhuvan eswar chilukuri > > Monday, September 29, 2003 5:53 AM > Re: the beauty of the day for >Fredirico > > > > You got it baby!!! > > Tell this fredirico boy about this. The Bindeel man from >Tuscany > and Ecirada!!! > > When you leave the thought and hold the thoughtER ,this is >what is > going to happen. > > > I wish they understand me or overstand me but not standaway > from > me. > > Fredirico,you are a precious gem of Brazil.Hold on and you >will > also get it. > On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 Jeannie wrote : > > > >Within the beauty of the day I walk down the street, >passing > >people, nature, building's as if they are newly come from >deep > >within my heart. Today it wasn't me walking down the >street > >Something else that opened a door from my heart and walked in >my > >steps. There is a deep difference from that outlook. For a >time > >not one thought came to mind, simply an expanse of >consciousness > >that not only was inside but outside.........Not one thought >of > >judgment, nothing of good/bad. It was as though the world >was > >brighter than it usually is, more alive as I saw not people >and > >things but The Infinite exploring Itself in that moment of > >beauty. I was more aware of what I saw than of the little >psyche > >that creates the judgments and believe they are real. Today >I > >was more my Heart Self than the me that always wants to be > >noticed. Today I walked in shoes that expanded past the >narrow > >thinking of mortal man and saw from the heart that loves >all. > > > >love/hugs > >Jeannie > > > > _ > Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. > Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! > Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1 > > > Sponsor > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > Terms of >Service. > _ Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! 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Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 Hello Bhuvan, : ) Thanks once again for the compliments. Perhaps your guesses are going to manifest -- only time will tell. But I really don't see the interest of people in being in a Math here. Few people want to know about the nature of this world, what it really is, etc. The majority are satisfied with food, sex and television. If it were for me, I would have already have opened a Math here. I have a friend who is very rich and has great knowledge and experience of Advaita. You see, the experience of non-duality is not an experience only possible in India, or if you follow certain rules. To some it simply happens and they will not even know that there is a sort of religion about this and a guy named Maharshi and other named Shankaracharya etc. To some people the experience happens and they begin to live it, and for them it's useless doing anything or teaching anything since it's all an illusion, a reflection of each self. There is that koan I think someone posted on this list: First there is a mountain then there is not a mountain then there is a mountain. This is the big deal. Some people see that in fact THERE IS NO MOUNTAIN and even when they return to their everyday lives and are not in what you and Advaitins would call a "samadhi", they have this knowledge inside of them so it gets hard for them to do things. It all gets meaningless. But it's also not bad. It's neither good nor bad. This is not my particular case but it's the case with another friend. When he saw the mirror, he was in fact all alone, he just kind of stopped doing things. I think this is not good but he told me that emotions are no longer seen as a determinant factor in that state, only an impersonal kind of void (I think that is the substratum of the mind you were talking about, don't know.) which is then experienced to be everything. May we all attain liberation, Frederico - bhuvan eswar chilukuri Tuesday, September 30, 2003 7:10 AM Re: Re: the beauty of the day for Fredirico Most respected Gem of Brazil,For the shunyatha to be beheld ,there should be a substratum.What is the substratum?I have not yet seen it ..I only infer it from anumana'inferential logic'You are great in every respect!That is my feeling and also you will become an advaithin after 30 yearsor before of inquiry.That is my guess work- guessing about others or oneself is always dangerous but that is what I felt when I am typing.One day you will open a math in your country and you will invite me.Love to all Brazilians !Love always,BhuvaneswarOn Tue, 30 Sep 2003 Frederico S. Gonzales wrote :> Hi there Bhuvan,>> I think it is impossible to express this experience of >Unity in words. It is possible to get near in terms of >conceptions. My Buddhist teacher tells me it's like a diamond, >there are many facets. Each one who interprets the experience >does this in a different way, because the ultimate interpreter >cannot know itself.> So when you have Advaita talking about Atman, I know >what this means. This means I am not only my body and mind. In >fact, the whole world is simply.....my self...The Self projects >the whole world. I have directly experienced this a few times and >it was such a bliss. I just went bursting into tears. I think, >Bhuvan, you are being a little presumptous about me. You don't >know me personally. Let me put clearly what I have experienced.> The world is a reflection of the Self. The Self then >imagines itself to be a single entity, and from there comes >repeated births, which are not births in the objective sense that >there is a soul which is actually born in an independent world, >no no no. My view and my experience is that rebirths are simply >other projections. This life now is a projection. Due to the >belief that it is actually a human being, a separate entity, the >Self then projects another world and the whole thing starts again >when death occurs in a normal person. And because the world the >person knew was this world, the new world is going to be similar, >the Self may then appear in another country etc., but in the same >world and universe. This is my understanding of rebirth. It is >not that the world or some brain mechanism creates the Jiva, it >is the Jiva who creates the brain and body because the Jiva is >illuded as being independent and therefore, appears as >independent, as a person with a mind and a body and a lifespan.> Now I would like you, Bhuvan, to ponder non-emotionally >about what we Buddhists call ANATMAN.> Anatman is the non-existence of an Atman. The Atman as >you know, is the Self who projects the world and body and mind in >each new incarnation because of residual vasanas in the subtle >mind (these vasanas which form the Jiva). Why do Buddhists say >there is not an Atman?> Because the Buddhist teachers realized that if each Self >projects the whole of the world and other selves, then my friend, >it is all an illusion even this Self which projects! If each Self >projects every other Self, then you can easily imagine that all >the selves are equally illusory. This is Anatman and Shunyata.> This problem was scientifically resolved long ago when >Heisenberg demonstrated that you cannot measure the speed and >know the exact location of an electron at the same time. You >either get to know the speed of the electron, or you get to know >its location at a determined point in time. This is the same with >the individual consciousness, you either perceive the movement of >the consciousness, i.e., consciousness pure, which is >Self-Realization, or you perceive the minor relations in the >world, the location of that consciousness -- body, external >objects, etc. Maharshi repeatedly stated that in the stage of >Turyia there is no perception whatsoever.> I have not reached the Turyia yet, but I promise you >that when I reach it, If I do reach it, I will try to tell you >what it is like. Although I think it will be impossible to >describe because there will be no common-language to speak of >it.> Thank you for calling me a gem or Brazil : )> It's not just me, though. There are people waking up >everywhere and Brazil is no exception. But each one interprets it >a different way and each one has a certain level of attainment, >while I think a fully self-realized being is very very rare and I >AM NOT ONE OF THESE I can assure you.> My point of view is that a marvelous expansion of >consciousness is happening all around the world and those who >seek with a fine flaming heart and a sober mind will find what >they are searching for. I quote Nisargadatta Maharaj: " There is >no final achievement. Whatever you achieve, it's good, but >there's always another achievement ahead."> May all beings achieve Liberation.> And a hug to you, Bhuvan!>> Frederico> -> bhuvan eswar chilukuri> > Monday, September 29, 2003 5:53 AM> Re: the beauty of the day for >Fredirico>>>> You got it baby!!!>> Tell this fredirico boy about this. The Bindeel man from >Tuscany> and Ecirada!!!>> When you leave the thought and hold the thoughtER ,this is >what is> going to happen.>>> I wish they understand me or overstand me but not standaway > from> me.>> Fredirico,you are a precious gem of Brazil.Hold on and you >will> also get it.> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 Jeannie wrote :> >> >Within the beauty of the day I walk down the street, >passing> >people, nature, building's as if they are newly come from >deep> >within my heart. Today it wasn't me walking down the >street> >Something else that opened a door from my heart and walked in >my> >steps. There is a deep difference from that outlook. For a >time> >not one thought came to mind, simply an expanse of >consciousness> >that not only was inside but outside.........Not one thought >of> >judgment, nothing of good/bad. It was as though the world >was> >brighter than it usually is, more alive as I saw not people >and> >things but The Infinite exploring Itself in that moment of> >beauty. I was more aware of what I saw than of the little >psyche> >that creates the judgments and believe they are real. Today >I> >was more my Heart Self than the me that always wants to be> >noticed. Today I walked in shoes that expanded past the >narrow> >thinking of mortal man and saw from the heart that loves >all.> >> >love/hugs> >Jeannie> >>> _> Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman.> Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !!> Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1>>> Sponsor>>>> /join>> >> >> "Love itself is the actual form of God.">> Sri Ramana>> In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma>> Your use of is subject to the Terms of >Service.>_Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman.Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !!Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1/join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 Most respected gem of brazil, That which is the substratum of sunyatha must be the substratum of you and me and all sir,since all of us dissolve into this sunyatha which is projected by the substratum. It is like the sun behind the (sunyatha of ) of clouds. You said, You experienced the yugapat srushti ( simultaneous creation ).What is behind this creation,behind this mind from which the creation is projected. Now , I begin to see the relationship between you and me. You will surely establish the Samkara matham in Brazil.This is for sure. My predictions come true,sir!!! I will tell you about you and your relationship with me when the time comes. First,let us be grateful to Sri Harsha for bringing us together. Sri samkara Bhagavatpujyapada has sent Ramana Maharshi to help me out in certain cognitions. My Master's love is oceanic and unconditional. It will drown you in ananda and enlightenment!!! let us keep in touch along with the noble soul from Tuscany,the great Micheal Bindel Love always, Bhuvaneswar On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 Frederico S. Gonzales wrote : > Hello Bhuvan, > > : ) Thanks once again for the compliments. > Perhaps your guesses are going to manifest -- only time will tell. > But I really don't see the interest of people in being in a Math here. > Few people want to know about the nature of this world, what it really is, etc. The majority are satisfied with food, sex and television. > If it were for me, I would have already have opened a Math here. I have a friend who is very rich and has great knowledge and experience of Advaita. You see, the experience of non-duality is not an experience only possible in India, or if you follow certain rules. To some it simply happens and they will not even know that there is a sort of religion about this and a guy named Maharshi and other named Shankaracharya etc. To some people the experience happens and they begin to live it, and for them it's useless doing anything or teaching anything since it's all an illusion, a reflection of each self. > There is that koan I think someone posted on this list: > First there is a mountain > then there is not a mountain > then there is a mountain. > This is the big deal. Some people see that in fact THERE IS NO MOUNTAIN and even when they return to their everyday lives and are not in what you and Advaitins would call a "samadhi", they have this knowledge inside of them so it gets hard for them to do things. It all gets meaningless. But it's also not bad. It's neither good nor bad. > This is not my particular case but it's the case with another friend. When he saw the mirror, he was in fact all alone, he just kind of stopped doing things. I think this is not good but he told me that emotions are no longer seen as a determinant factor in that state, only an impersonal kind of void (I think that is the substratum of the mind you were talking about, don't know.) which is then experienced to be everything. > > May we all attain liberation, > Frederico > > - > bhuvan eswar chilukuri > > Tuesday, September 30, 2003 7:10 AM > Re: Re: the beauty of the day for Fredirico > > > Most respected Gem of Brazil, > > > For the shunyatha to be beheld ,there should be a substratum.What > is the substratum?I have not yet seen it .I only infer it from > anumana'inferential logic' > > You are great in every respect!That is my feeling and also you > will become an advaithin after 30 yearsor before of inquiry.That > is my guess work- guessing about others or oneself is always > dangerous but that is what I felt when I am typing. > > One day you will open a math in your country and you will invite > me. > > Love to all Brazilians ! > > Love always, > > Bhuvaneswar > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 Frederico S. Gonzales wrote : > > Hi there Bhuvan, > > > > I think it is impossible to express this experience of > >Unity in words. It is possible to get near in terms of > >conceptions. My Buddhist teacher tells me it's like a diamond, > >there are many facets. Each one who interprets the experience > >does this in a different way, because the ultimate interpreter > >cannot know itself. > > So when you have Advaita talking about Atman, I know > >what this means. This means I am not only my body and mind. In > >fact, the whole world is simply.....my self...The Self projects > >the whole world. I have directly experienced this a few times and > >it was such a bliss. I just went bursting into tears. I think, > >Bhuvan, you are being a little presumptous about me. You don't > >know me personally. Let me put clearly what I have experienced. > > The world is a reflection of the Self. The Self then > >imagines itself to be a single entity, and from there comes > >repeated births, which are not births in the objective sense that > >there is a soul which is actually born in an independent world, > >no no no. My view and my experience is that rebirths are simply > >other projections. This life now is a projection. Due to the > >belief that it is actually a human being, a separate entity, the > >Self then projects another world and the whole thing starts again > >when death occurs in a normal person. And because the world the > >person knew was this world, the new world is going to be similar, > >the Self may then appear in another country etc., but in the same > >world and universe. This is my understanding of rebirth. It is > >not that the world or some brain mechanism creates the Jiva, it > >is the Jiva who creates the brain and body because the Jiva is > >illuded as being independent and therefore, appears as > >independent, as a person with a mind and a body and a lifespan. > > Now I would like you, Bhuvan, to ponder non-emotionally > >about what we Buddhists call ANATMAN. > > Anatman is the non-existence of an Atman. The Atman as > >you know, is the Self who projects the world and body and mind in > >each new incarnation because of residual vasanas in the subtle > >mind (these vasanas which form the Jiva). Why do Buddhists say > >there is not an Atman? > > Because the Buddhist teachers realized that if each Self > >projects the whole of the world and other selves, then my friend, > >it is all an illusion even this Self which projects! If each Self > >projects every other Self, then you can easily imagine that all > >the selves are equally illusory. This is Anatman and Shunyata. > > This problem was scientifically resolved long ago when > >Heisenberg demonstrated that you cannot measure the speed and > >know the exact location of an electron at the same time. You > >either get to know the speed of the electron, or you get to know > >its location at a determined point in time. This is the same with > >the individual consciousness, you either perceive the movement of > >the consciousness, i.e., consciousness pure, which is > >Self-Realization, or you perceive the minor relations in the > >world, the location of that consciousness -- body, external > >objects, etc. Maharshi repeatedly stated that in the stage of > >Turyia there is no perception whatsoever. > > I have not reached the Turyia yet, but I promise you > >that when I reach it, If I do reach it, I will try to tell you > >what it is like. Although I think it will be impossible to > >describe because there will be no common-language to speak of > >it. > > Thank you for calling me a gem or Brazil : ) > > It's not just me, though. There are people waking up > >everywhere and Brazil is no exception. But each one interprets it > >a different way and each one has a certain level of attainment, > >while I think a fully self-realized being is very very rare and I > >AM NOT ONE OF THESE I can assure you. > > My point of view is that a marvelous expansion of > >consciousness is happening all around the world and those who > >seek with a fine flaming heart and a sober mind will find what > >they are searching for. I quote Nisargadatta Maharaj: " There is > >no final achievement. Whatever you achieve, it's good, but > >there's always another achievement ahead." > > May all beings achieve Liberation. > > And a hug to you, Bhuvan! > > > > Frederico > > - > > bhuvan eswar chilukuri > > > > Monday, September 29, 2003 5:53 AM > > Re: the beauty of the day for > >Fredirico > > > > > > > > You got it baby!!! > > > > Tell this fredirico boy about this. The Bindeel man from > >Tuscany > > and Ecirada!!! > > > > When you leave the thought and hold the thoughtER ,this is > >what is > > going to happen. > > > > > > I wish they understand me or overstand me but not standaway > > from > > me. > > > > Fredirico,you are a precious gem of Brazil.Hold on and you > >will > > also get it. > > On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 Jeannie wrote : > > > > > >Within the beauty of the day I walk down the street, > >passing > > >people, nature, building's as if they are newly come from > >deep > > >within my heart. Today it wasn't me walking down the > >street > > >Something else that opened a door from my heart and walked in > >my > > >steps. There is a deep difference from that outlook. For a > >time > > >not one thought came to mind, simply an expanse of > >consciousness > > >that not only was inside but outside.........Not one thought > >of > > >judgment, nothing of good/bad. It was as though the world > >was > > >brighter than it usually is, more alive as I saw not people > >and > > >things but The Infinite exploring Itself in that moment of > > >beauty. I was more aware of what I saw than of the little > >psyche > > >that creates the judgments and believe they are real. Today > >I > > >was more my Heart Self than the me that always wants to be > > >noticed. Today I walked in shoes that expanded past the > >narrow > > >thinking of mortal man and saw from the heart that loves > >all. > > > > > >love/hugs > > >Jeannie > > > > > > > _ > > Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. > > Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! > > Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1 > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > > > Sri Ramana > > > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > Terms of > >Service. > > > > _ > Art meets Anesthesia; Shefali Weds Dr. Raman. > Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! > Visit http://matchmaker.rediff.com?1 > > > Sponsor > > > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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