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Professor N. R. Krishnamoorthy Aiyer 's first visit to Ramana Maharshi. It

is a very funny account.

Harsha

Professor Krishnamoorthy Aiyer speaks in his old age: I am now

ninety-two years old and I first met the Maharshi in the summer of

1914.

I had a question for the Maharshi. At that time I was an agnostic. I thought

nature could take care of itself, so where is the need for a Creator? What

is the use of writing all these religious books telling 'cock and bull'

stories, which do not change the situation. I wanted to put to him straight

questions: is there a soul? Is there a God? Is there salvation? All these

three questions were condensed into one: Well sir, you are sitting here like

this - I can see your present condition - but what will be your future

sthiti ? The word sthiti in Sanskrit means 'state' or 'condition'.

The Maharshi did not answer the question. "Oho," I thought, "you are taking

shelter under the guise of indifferent silence for not answering an

inconvenient question!" As soon as I thought this the Maharshi replied and I

felt as if a bomb had exploded under my seat.

"Sthiti, what do you mean by the word sthiti!" he exclaimed.

I was not prepared for that question. "Oho, this man is very dangerous, very

dangerously alive. I will have to answer with proper care," I thought.

So I said to myself, "If I ask him about the sthiti or 'state' of the body

it is useless: the body will be burned or buried. What I should ask him was

about the condition of something within the body. Of course, I can recognize

a mind inside of me." Then I was about to answer "By sthiti, I mean mind,"

when it struck me what if he counter-questions with "What is mind?" This I

am not prepared to answer.

As all this was passing through my mind he was sitting there staring at me

with a fierce look.

I then questioned within me, "What is mind? Mind is made up of thoughts.

Now, what are thoughts?" I landed in a void. No answer. I then realised that

I could not present a question about a mind which did not exist!

Up to that point, the mind was the greatest thing that existed for me. Now I

discovered it did not exist! I was bewildered. I simply sat like a statue.

Two pairs of eyes were then gripping each other: the eyes of the Maharshi

and my eyes were locked together in a tight embrace. I lost all sense of

body. Nothing existed except the eyes of the Maharshi.

I don't know how long I remained like that, but when I returned to my

senses, I was terribly afraid of the man. "This is a dangerous man," I

thought. In spite of myself, I prostrated and got away from his company.

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Dear Harsha:

Thank you for posting this wonderfully funny account:-)

On my knees to Bhagavan,

Joyce

....still laughing...

-

Harsha

Friday, October 03, 2003 10:25 AM

Professor N. R. Krishnamoorthy Aiyer

Professor N. R. Krishnamoorthy Aiyer 's first visit to Ramana Maharshi. It

is a very funny account.

Harsha

Professor Krishnamoorthy Aiyer speaks in his old age: I am now

ninety-two years old and I first met the Maharshi in the summer of

1914.

I had a question for the Maharshi. At that time I was an agnostic. I thought

nature could take care of itself, so where is the need for a Creator? What

is the use of writing all these religious books telling 'cock and bull'

stories, which do not change the situation. I wanted to put to him straight

questions: is there a soul? Is there a God? Is there salvation? All these

three questions were condensed into one: Well sir, you are sitting here like

this - I can see your present condition - but what will be your future

sthiti ? The word sthiti in Sanskrit means 'state' or 'condition'.

The Maharshi did not answer the question. "Oho," I thought, "you are taking

shelter under the guise of indifferent silence for not answering an

inconvenient question!" As soon as I thought this the Maharshi replied and I

felt as if a bomb had exploded under my seat.

"Sthiti, what do you mean by the word sthiti!" he exclaimed.

I was not prepared for that question. "Oho, this man is very dangerous, very

dangerously alive. I will have to answer with proper care," I thought.

So I said to myself, "If I ask him about the sthiti or 'state' of the body

it is useless: the body will be burned or buried. What I should ask him was

about the condition of something within the body. Of course, I can recognize

a mind inside of me." Then I was about to answer "By sthiti, I mean mind,"

when it struck me what if he counter-questions with "What is mind?" This I

am not prepared to answer.

As all this was passing through my mind he was sitting there staring at me

with a fierce look.

I then questioned within me, "What is mind? Mind is made up of thoughts.

Now, what are thoughts?" I landed in a void. No answer. I then realised that

I could not present a question about a mind which did not exist!

Up to that point, the mind was the greatest thing that existed for me. Now I

discovered it did not exist! I was bewildered. I simply sat like a statue.

Two pairs of eyes were then gripping each other: the eyes of the Maharshi

and my eyes were locked together in a tight embrace. I lost all sense of

body. Nothing existed except the eyes of the Maharshi.

I don't know how long I remained like that, but when I returned to my

senses, I was terribly afraid of the man. "This is a dangerous man," I

thought. In spite of myself, I prostrated and got away from his

company./join

"Love itself is

the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam"

by Suri Nagamma

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--- Lady Joyce <shaantih wrote:

> Dear Harsha:

>

> Thank you for posting this wonderfully funny

> account:-)

>

> On my knees to Bhagavan,

>

> Joyce

>

> ...still laughing...

>

SNIP

 

-----------------reply

follows-------------------------

 

Dear Friends,

 

Yes, this is a very interesting tale. But what is

even more interesting to me is the remainder of the

story. The entire account can be found at:

http://www.realization.org/page/doc1/doc109a.htm

 

Many of you may have already read the full account.

This first portion deals with the confounding of the

Professor's intellect. But the rest of the tale

relates an account of the "silent teaching" of the

Maharshi which results in the awakening of the

Professor's kundalini.

 

It is my personal opinion that spiritual realization

is not possible without the awakening of the kundalini

and therefore it is of the utmost interest to me.

 

Love,

 

michael

 

 

 

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Dear Michael,

These stories are reposts. I was going to post the second version as

well, which is in the archives of this list in May of 2000. Rob Sacks

saw these stories here and on the Ramana Maharshi list and put the one

on the professor on his website Realization.org.

All of these stories are originally from the official Sri Ramana

website (from the Newsletters).

I enjoy telling and retelling them and sometimes edit them to make them

more readable.

Sri Ramana's views on Kundalini are well known to his devotees.

Love to all

Harsha

-------

Dear Friends,

Yes, this is a very interesting tale. But what is

even more interesting to me is the remainder of the

story. The entire account can be found at:

http://www.realization.org/page/doc1/doc109a.htm

Many of you may have already read the full account.

This first portion deals with the confounding of the

Professor's intellect. But the rest of the tale

relates an account of the "silent teaching" of the

Maharshi which results in the awakening of the

Professor's kundalini.

It is my personal opinion that spiritual realization

is not possible without the awakening of the kundalini

and therefore it is of the utmost interest to me.

Love,

michael

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--- Harsha wrote:

SNIP

> I enjoy telling and retelling them and sometimes

> edit them to make them

> more readable.

 

Yes I enjoy hearing them again as well.

 

> Sri Ramana's views on Kundalini are well known to

> his devotees.

 

Sri Ramana's views on Kundalini are not known to me as

I am not exactly a student of the Ramana literature.

I would be casually interested in hearing of Ramana's

views on kundalini; but I am more interested in living

persons' experiences. And truly, I am most interested

in what you (the devotees) say for yourSELF.

 

 

Love,

 

michael

 

 

 

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, Michael Bowes

<rmichaelbowes> wrote:

>

 

Namaste All,

 

Spiritual Awakening may not be possible without Kundalini, but

Realisation is beyond it........ONS...Tony.

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Dear Michael,

 

Many people here have spoken about the Kundalini Shakti and the Goddess. The

archives are full of such posts.

 

If you go to Volume II of the HS Magazine, it contains some of my writings on

Kundalini, Heart, and Self-Realization.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

 

 

"Love itself is the actual form of God."

 

Ramana Maharshi

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Dear Tony,

 

What is Realisation?

 

Love,

 

michael

 

--- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote:

> , Michael Bowes

>

> <rmichaelbowes> wrote:

> >

>

> Namaste All,

>

> Spiritual Awakening may not be possible without

> Kundalini, but

> Realisation is beyond it........ONS...Tony.

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Thank you.

 

Love,

 

michael

 

--- harsha wrote:

> Dear Michael,

>

> Many people here have spoken about the Kundalini

> Shakti and the Goddess. The archives are full of

> such posts.

>

> If you go to Volume II of the HS Magazine, it

> contains some of my writings on Kundalini, Heart,

> and Self-Realization.

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

>

>

>

> "Love itself is the actual form of God."

>

> Ramana Maharshi

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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, Michael Bowes

<rmichaelbowes> wrote:

> Dear Tony,

>

> What is Realisation?

>

 

 

Yes!! Exactly!!

 

*joyous laugh*

 

:)

 

 

> Love,

>

> michael

>

 

Love,

 

kheyala

 

> --- Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote:

> > , Michael Bowes

> >

> > <rmichaelbowes> wrote:

> > >

> >

> > Namaste All,

> >

> > Spiritual Awakening may not be possible without

> > Kundalini, but

> > Realisation is beyond it........ONS...Tony.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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>

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, Michael Bowes

<rmichaelbowes> wrote:

> Dear Tony,

>

> What is Realisation?

>

> Love,

>

> michael

 

 

Namaste Michael,

 

Kundalini Sakti is actually the Goddess Prana, is her energy. There

is nothing but Kundalini, everything is Kundalini.

It is all in the mind and therefore not ultimately real.

Realisation is when you wake up and realise that you never existed as

a person, there is no kundalini or creation only

Nirguna.....ONS...Tony.

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Dear Tony and ALL,

 

 

--- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote:

> , Michael Bowes

>

> Kundalini Sakti is actually the Goddess Prana, is

> her energy. There

> is nothing but Kundalini, everything is Kundalini.

 

I would say that everything is Brahman (Universal

SELF) and SHAKTI is the energy that manifests it.

 

> It is all in the mind and therefore not ultimately

> real.

What is mind? And why does something apparently

exist; but isn't real? If it isn't "real" then it

must be "really unreal". My point is that why does

something, anything have to be categorized as "real"

or "unreal"? What difference can it possibly make.

If you admit the existence of "mind", then don't you

have to deal with it? And if so how can it make any

difference as to whether it is real or unreal. Sri

Ramana Maharshi reportedly said that the world is

SELF. Sri Ramakrishna reportedly said that Vedantists

consider the world to be unreal; but after the

realization of Brahman they know that it is Brahman

alone that has become the world, the 24 cosmic

principles, all living beings and the universe. This

is my experience--mind included.

> Realisation is when you wake up and realise that you

> never existed as

> a person, there is no kundalini or creation only

> Nirguna.....ONS...Tony.

>

Who is the "you" who doesn't exist? Is it the you who

wrote the post? If so does the post exist? :-)

Also, I agree that there isn't any creation--only

Brahman.

 

And Tony, something I have sometimes wondered; but

never asked you: What does ONS mean?

 

 

 

Love,

 

michael

 

 

 

 

 

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, Michael Bowes > is my

experience--mind included.

>

> > Realisation is when you wake up and realise that you

> > never existed as

> > a person, there is no kundalini or creation only

> > Nirguna.....ONS...Tony.

> >

> Who is the "you" who doesn't exist? Is it the you who

> wrote the post? If so does the post exist? :-)

> Also, I agree that there isn't any creation--only

> Brahman.

>

> And Tony, something I have sometimes wondered; but

> never asked you: What does ONS mean?

> Love,

>

> michael

Namaste Michael IMO,

 

One has to be careful whether one is talking relatively or

absolutely, as the apples and oranges can confuse.

 

Of course the 'you' doesn'nt exist or the post ultimately..Om Namah

Sivaya....Tony.

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Michael wrote...

And Tony, something I have sometimes wondered; butnever asked you:

What does ONS mean?

OM Namah Shivaya

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Love,michael

Love,

Joyce, who is not here to hear this...

Who did not write this...

And who did not send this...

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