Making sense of it all.

[Guest guest]

Also rough and asking something like: Could what seems not to be Nirguna

be what gives an urge to make sense of it all? : )

Alan

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Tony OClery

Friday, October 17, 2003 10:35 PM

Making sense of it all.

Namaste All,It is my feeling that all in the dream is individualised

and the universalising can only come from the Dreamer. My expression

is a bit rough but I think we become one with the total manifestation

of the universe and at that time realise Nirguna as well. The universe

would then only exist as long as its connection/or individual body

does..........ONS....Tony.PS I'm original posting for my replies are

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"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Your use of is subject to

the

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony,

I think this is exactly Maharshi's view. The Universe would be

then a SUBJECTIVE rather than OBJECTIVE phenomenon. According to this

most wise view, the Universe happens as a dream or projection of the

Self, but each dream tends to create another dream in virtue of

SAMSKARAS and VASANAS remnant in the subtle mind, after death of the

physical body. These Vasanas and Samskaras are what constitute the

JIVA, and then only when they are eliminated (thereby destroying the

Jiva itself) would Nirguna be realised. If this is accomplished while

in the body, the normal experience of the liberated subject is Saguna.

When he/she sleeps or closes his/her eyes , is absorbed in Nirguna. At

the time of death final absorption in Nirguna, with no further

projection or dream, occurs.

This view places the Universe as a subjective rather than

objective phenomenon and seems more appropriate and more consistent

with my experience of it, than the current scientifical view that the

Universe is a collective objective phenomenon and we as subjects are

mere little phenomena inside of this big phenomenon.

Cheers,

Fred

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Tony OClery

Friday, October 17, 2003 5:35 PM

Making sense of it all.

Namaste All,It is my feeling that all in the dream is individualised

and the universalising can only come from the Dreamer. My expression

is a bit rough but I think we become one with the total manifestation

of the universe and at that time realise Nirguna as well. The universe

would then only exist as long as its connection/or individual body

does..........ONS....Tony.PS I'm original posting for my replies are

showing page not available

etc./join

"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Your use of is subject to

the