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If we don’t want to look at dukkha (sufferings), we will never

understand dukkha, no matter how many births we go through. Dukkha is

noble truth. If we allow ourselves to face it, then we will start to

seek a way out of it. If we are trying to go somewhere and the road

is blocked, we will think about how to make a pathway. Working at it

day after day, we can get through. When we encounter problems, we

develop wisdom like this. Without seeing dukkha, we don’t really look

into and resolve our problems; we just pass them by indifferently.

It’s necessary to know suffering.

~ Ajahn Chah

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Dear Joyce and ALL,

 

I'm not too keen on quotes; but I just read the

following on another list and fealt that it was

timely. It is from J. Krishnamurti

 

Ojai , California

Friday , March 18 , 1983

 

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It appears that man has always escaped from himself,

from what he is,

from where he is going , from what all this is about -

the universe ,

our daily life , the dying and the beginning . It is

strange that we

never realize that however much we may escape from

ourselves , however

much we may wander away consciously , deliberately or

unconsciously ,

subtly , the conflict , the pleasure , the pain , the

fear and so on

are always there . They ultimately dominate. You may

try to suppress

them , you may try to put them away deliberately with

an act of will

but they surface again. And pleasure is one of the

factors that

predominate ; it too has the same conflicts , the same

pain , the same

boredom. The weariness of pleasure and the fret is

part of this turmoil

of our life. You can't escape it , my friend. You

can't escape from

this deep unfathomed turmoil unless you really give

thought to it ,

not only thought but see by careful attention ,

dilligent watching ,

the whole movement of thought and the self. You may

say all this is

too tiresome , perhaps unnecessary . But if you do not

pay attention

to this , give heed , the future is not going to be

only more destructive ,

more intolerable but without much significance. All

this

is not a dampening , depressing point of view , it is

actually so.

What you are now is what you will be in the coming

days. You can't

avoid it. It is as definite as the sun is rising and

setting.

This is the share of all man , of all humanity ,

unless we all change ,

each one of us , change to something that is not

projected by thought.

 

--- Lady Joyce <shaantih wrote:

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Hi Michael:

Yes, I know that you are not too keen on quotes, LOL!

It is all from the same source, no?

Variations on the theme, different ways to say it,

different ways to get there. Same destination :-)

Back to the Source...

Do we ever really go anywhere?

To quote Sri Ramana (I hope you don't mind, no pun intended)

"There is nowhere to go."

Dancing down the path to knowhere,

well, OK, to work, LOL,

Joyce

PS Yes, your qoute is timely and germane to our discussion...thank you.

We get by with a little help from our Friends...

-

Michael Bowes

Monday, October 20, 2003 8:42 AM

Re: Fw: [TDM] Necessary to know suffering

Dear Joyce and ALL,I'm not too keen on quotes; but I just read

thefollowing on another list and fealt that it wastimely. It is from

J. KrishnamurtiOjai , California

Friday , March 18 , 1983 .........It appears that man has

always escaped from himself,from what he is,from where he is going ,

from what all this is about -the universe , our daily life , the

dying and the beginning . It isstrange that we never realize that

however much we may escape fromourselves , howevermuch we may wander

away consciously , deliberately orunconsciously , subtly , the

conflict , the pleasure , the pain , thefear and so on are always

there . They ultimately dominate. You maytry to suppress them , you

may try to put them away deliberately withan act of will but they

surface again. And pleasure is one of thefactors that predominate ;

it too has the same conflicts , the samepain , the same boredom. The

weariness of pleasure and the fret ispart of this turmoil of our

life. You can't escape it , my friend. Youcan't escape from this deep

unfathomed turmoil unless you really givethought to it , not only

thought but see by careful attention ,dilligent watching , the whole

movement of thought and the self. You maysay all this istoo tiresome

, perhaps unnecessary . But if you do notpay attentionto this , give

heed , the future is not going to beonly more destructive , more

intolerable but without much significance. Allthis is not a dampening

, depressing point of view , it isactually so. What you are now is

what you will be in the comingdays. You can't avoid it. It is as

definite as the sun is rising andsetting. This is the share of all

man , of all humanity ,unless we all change ,each one of us , change

to something that is notprojected by thought. --- Lady Joyce

<shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote:> > > If we don't want to look at dukkha

(sufferings), we> will never understand dukkha, no matter how many>

births we go through. Dukkha is noble truth. If we> allow ourselves

to face it, then we will start to> seek a way out of it. If we are

trying to go> somewhere and the road is blocked, we will think> about

how to make a pathway. Working at it day after> day, we can get

through. When we encounter problems,> we develop wisdom like this.

Without seeing dukkha,> we don't really look into and resolve our

problems;> we just pass them by indifferently. It's necessary> to

know suffering.> > ~ Ajahn Chah> > > > > > > >

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