Guest guest Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 If we don’t want to look at dukkha (sufferings), we will never understand dukkha, no matter how many births we go through. Dukkha is noble truth. If we allow ourselves to face it, then we will start to seek a way out of it. If we are trying to go somewhere and the road is blocked, we will think about how to make a pathway. Working at it day after day, we can get through. When we encounter problems, we develop wisdom like this. Without seeing dukkha, we don’t really look into and resolve our problems; we just pass them by indifferently. It’s necessary to know suffering. ~ Ajahn Chah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 Dear Joyce and ALL, I'm not too keen on quotes; but I just read the following on another list and fealt that it was timely. It is from J. Krishnamurti Ojai , California Friday , March 18 , 1983 .......... It appears that man has always escaped from himself, from what he is, from where he is going , from what all this is about - the universe , our daily life , the dying and the beginning . It is strange that we never realize that however much we may escape from ourselves , however much we may wander away consciously , deliberately or unconsciously , subtly , the conflict , the pleasure , the pain , the fear and so on are always there . They ultimately dominate. You may try to suppress them , you may try to put them away deliberately with an act of will but they surface again. And pleasure is one of the factors that predominate ; it too has the same conflicts , the same pain , the same boredom. The weariness of pleasure and the fret is part of this turmoil of our life. You can't escape it , my friend. You can't escape from this deep unfathomed turmoil unless you really give thought to it , not only thought but see by careful attention , dilligent watching , the whole movement of thought and the self. You may say all this is too tiresome , perhaps unnecessary . But if you do not pay attention to this , give heed , the future is not going to be only more destructive , more intolerable but without much significance. All this is not a dampening , depressing point of view , it is actually so. What you are now is what you will be in the coming days. You can't avoid it. It is as definite as the sun is rising and setting. This is the share of all man , of all humanity , unless we all change , each one of us , change to something that is not projected by thought. --- Lady Joyce <shaantih wrote: > > > If we don't want to look at dukkha (sufferings), we > will never understand dukkha, no matter how many > births we go through. Dukkha is noble truth. If we > allow ourselves to face it, then we will start to > seek a way out of it. If we are trying to go > somewhere and the road is blocked, we will think > about how to make a pathway. Working at it day after > day, we can get through. When we encounter problems, > we develop wisdom like this. Without seeing dukkha, > we don't really look into and resolve our problems; > we just pass them by indifferently. It's necessary > to know suffering. > > ~ Ajahn Chah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 Hi Michael: Yes, I know that you are not too keen on quotes, LOL! It is all from the same source, no? Variations on the theme, different ways to say it, different ways to get there. Same destination :-) Back to the Source... Do we ever really go anywhere? To quote Sri Ramana (I hope you don't mind, no pun intended) "There is nowhere to go." Dancing down the path to knowhere, well, OK, to work, LOL, Joyce PS Yes, your qoute is timely and germane to our discussion...thank you. We get by with a little help from our Friends... - Michael Bowes Monday, October 20, 2003 8:42 AM Re: Fw: [TDM] Necessary to know suffering Dear Joyce and ALL,I'm not too keen on quotes; but I just read thefollowing on another list and fealt that it wastimely. It is from J. KrishnamurtiOjai , California Friday , March 18 , 1983 .........It appears that man has always escaped from himself,from what he is,from where he is going , from what all this is about -the universe , our daily life , the dying and the beginning . It isstrange that we never realize that however much we may escape fromourselves , howevermuch we may wander away consciously , deliberately orunconsciously , subtly , the conflict , the pleasure , the pain , thefear and so on are always there . They ultimately dominate. You maytry to suppress them , you may try to put them away deliberately withan act of will but they surface again. And pleasure is one of thefactors that predominate ; it too has the same conflicts , the samepain , the same boredom. The weariness of pleasure and the fret ispart of this turmoil of our life. You can't escape it , my friend. Youcan't escape from this deep unfathomed turmoil unless you really givethought to it , not only thought but see by careful attention ,dilligent watching , the whole movement of thought and the self. You maysay all this istoo tiresome , perhaps unnecessary . But if you do notpay attentionto this , give heed , the future is not going to beonly more destructive , more intolerable but without much significance. Allthis is not a dampening , depressing point of view , it isactually so. What you are now is what you will be in the comingdays. You can't avoid it. It is as definite as the sun is rising andsetting. This is the share of all man , of all humanity ,unless we all change ,each one of us , change to something that is notprojected by thought. --- Lady Joyce <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote:> > > If we don't want to look at dukkha (sufferings), we> will never understand dukkha, no matter how many> births we go through. Dukkha is noble truth. If we> allow ourselves to face it, then we will start to> seek a way out of it. If we are trying to go> somewhere and the road is blocked, we will think> about how to make a pathway. Working at it day after> day, we can get through. When we encounter problems,> we develop wisdom like this. Without seeing dukkha,> we don't really look into and resolve our problems;> we just pass them by indifferently. It's necessary> to know suffering.> > ~ Ajahn Chah> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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