Guest guest Posted October 22, 2003 Report Share Posted October 22, 2003 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > Namaste, > > I found another two dead finches on my balcony deck this morning. I > think the heavy rainstorms we have had this week are responsible. > The worst in over 100 years. We had a drought and now this, 17 > inches or more. I have many bushes and several full grown trees in > my yard, including a copper beach, fir trees, spruce etc. There is > one big tree that has clusters of berries kind of purple like > elderberries, perhaps these are killing them, along with the rain. > > Still brings me back to the fact that the 'universe' runs itself on > balance of opposites etc. What we call 'God', is a concept for > describing the total consciousness of all the jivas, like all the > trees make up the forest. IMO what we call LOVE is the experience of > the underlying energy of this dream. This is why it can be > experienced somewhat with devotion or emotion. Ultimately it is not > only unreal but never existed at all...........ONS...Tony. " I am not." "Liar!" )))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2003 Report Share Posted October 22, 2003 At 05:25 AM 10/22/2003 +0000, Shawn Hair wrote: >" I am not." > >"Liar!" > >)))))))Shawn And for the same reason, it doesn't make sense to say "I am." Neither one makes sense. "I" is anterior to either. "I" is what amness is. To then say "I am" is trying to put a hat on top of your hat. --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2003 Report Share Posted October 22, 2003 , Greg Goode <goode@D...> wrote: > At 05:25 AM 10/22/2003 +0000, Shawn Hair wrote: > > >" I am not." > > > >"Liar!" > > > >)))))))Shawn > > > And for the same reason, it doesn't make sense to say "I am." Neither one makes sense. "I" is anterior to either. "I" is what amness is. To then say "I am" is trying to put a hat on top of your hat. > > --Greg Greg! How was Japan? Okay.... Uncle..... I admit...Shiva = I Shakti = am I love wearing hats, protection for my bald spot ,you know? You can't be perfectly nondual with words, can you, unless you go around saying, this is so and yet not so...and that gets a bit tiring.??exist = to be, action, the act of becoming, the One becomes two suddenly with the thought, and it's all up/downhill from there. lol Nobody can say "I am not "and have it make sense, right? This is obvious. Pronouns, now Greg, remember? )))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2003 Report Share Posted October 22, 2003 At 09:30 AM 10/22/2003 +0000, Shawn Hair wrote: >Greg! >How was Japan? >Okay.... >Uncle..... I admit...Shiva = I Shakti = am >I love wearing hats, protection for my bald spot ,you know? >You can't be perfectly nondual with words, can you, unless you >go around saying, this is so and yet not so...and that gets a bit >tiring.??exist = to be, action, the act of becoming, the One >becomes two suddenly with the thought, and it's all up/downhill >from there. lol >Nobody can say "I am not "and have it make sense, right? This is >obvious. Pronouns, now Greg, remember? I'm still here in Tokyo, have been for a few days. I'm very busy working 12 hours a day, but I brought my bike and have a ride planned over the weekend. About the exist thing - you've written your objections to "I am not" many times on this list (and others too?). It seems like something you're particularly interested in pointing out. Do you see a lot of people saying "I am not" ? --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2003 Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 In a message dated 10/21/2003 11:57:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, goode (AT) DPW (DOT) COM writes: And for the same reason, it doesn't make sense to say "I am." Neither one makes sense. "I" is anterior to either. "I" is what amness is. To then say "I am" is trying to put a hat on top of your hat.--Greg Namaste Greg & Shawn & All: Yes, that is unquestionable. But could the statement make sense if we complete it a bit more... "I am grateful" "I am loving the cool night breeze" "I am a foolish mortal and often contradict myself" In Vedantic terms of course, it would be seen as the Maya that passes for identity through the false self (little I) gradually peeling away to reveal the true "I" or Sat Nam of the Divine Godhead, often expressed as Brahma or Vishnu in the Vedas, or as "That which is boundless nameless and without form, time or place" in Tantric or Buddhist Sutras. Sometimes it appears as a brilliant light of grace, at others times you realize it is the Mail Carrier, the shop keeper, the child across the street, a dead finch or two or even your aggressive neighbor with whom you might have quarreled. How could it be any less? Lovingly, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 , zen2wrk@a... wrote: > In a message dated 10/21/2003 11:57:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > goode@D... writes: > And for the same reason, it doesn't make sense to say "I am." Neither one > makes sense. "I" is anterior to either. "I" is what amness is. To then say "I > am" is trying to put a hat on top of your hat. > > --Greg > Namaste Greg & Shawn & All: > > Yes, that is unquestionable. But could the statement make sense if we > complete it a bit more... > > "I am grateful" "I am loving the cool night breeze" "I am a foolish mortal > and often contradict myself" > > In Vedantic terms of course, it would be seen as the Maya that passes for > identity through the false self (little I) gradually peeling away to reveal the > true "I" or Sat Nam of the Divine Godhead, often expressed as Brahma or Vishnu > in the Vedas, or as "That which is boundless nameless and without form, time > or place" in Tantric or Buddhist Sutras. Sometimes it appears as a brilliant > light of grace, at others times you realize it is the Mail Carrier, the shop > keeper, the child across the street, a dead finch or two or even your > aggressive neighbor with whom you might have quarreled. > > How could it be any less? > > Lovingly, > > Zenbob Bobbyji, Loving your posts lately. Have you been dipping into the amrita again? )))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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