Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Hi Harsha, I think an e-book is a great idea, it lends importance to whatever is inside, and provides the chance to cerate something of beauty, value and service. There will certainly be some sales, after all, the internet is a big place. However, I bet there will also be some commentary about the idea of charging for this kind of material. I'm thinking here of the kinds of reactions that Jeff Belyea got when people saw that he was charging on his website for spiritual books and other materials. Sales, comments; comments, sales.... Will the proceeds be shared among the project's various contributors? Will the proceeds go towards maintaining the site? It's a big subject! --Greg At 03:51 PM 10/27/2003 -0500, Harsha wrote: Dear Sangha: I am thinking of writing an e-book and putting it on the HS website. I intend to have a section on the integration of spirituality in one's work and life. Much of the book would be essays and stories on spirituality and spiritual practice, some of it autobiographical. It will cover some of my favorite practices and methods of yoga as they relate to diet and exercise and health. It would also focus on the self inquiry method in the context of kundalini yoga. After completing it, I would put the e-book up on the website. I am planning to charge minimally for the e-book, but have not decided how much. Other than my own time, I will be using the time of others (for graphics, pictures, and perhaps other things) who often help voluntarily for free. Would like your input on what may be appropriate in terms of e-book pricing in this context. For example, should an e-book of the above description be downloaded for $1, $1.95, $2.95, $3.95, $4.87, or $5.69, etc. Please be frank with your views, whatever they are. I would like to hear them and learn in terms of where people usually stand on these things. Thanks Love to all Harsha -- Sponsor /join "Love itself is the actual form of God." Sri Ramana In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Attachment: (image/jpeg) 3e38bde.jpg [not stored] Attachment: (image/jpeg) 3e38cf6.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 Namaste' Harsha, I have explored this question regarding the yoga classes that I offer. And the living answer that I employ amounts to - the solution unfolds from clearly understanding the situation. to realize freedom honour structure to realize structure honour freedom ultimate freedom has no structure ultimate structure has no freedom ~~~ If this is a project where you and others contribute your understanding and services freely and there are no other costs, then I would suggest that it be made freely available... If there are just minor costs most folks understand the need to charge a fee that covers these - yet as soon as you charge money the structure will have changed and it will be reflected as less freedom in this particular area ... in this light you may wish to: a) absorb the minor costs; b) accept the consequences of altering the structure; c) abandon the project; (how do you feel about option b)?) If you wish to take this on as a larger project from which you earn a portion of your livelihood, then I suggest that you charge an appropriate amount for your time, energy, and the costs that you incur, etc.,(the $30 range is one that is current for such things)... And there is the structure of satsangha... what you decide will impact it - you know that you've got it right if/when you feel free (to realize structure honour freedom) - if this is not the case then you would have to adjust. Love and Gratitude, James , Harsha wrote: > Dear Sangha: > > I am thinking of writing an e-book and putting it on the HS website. > > I intend to have a section on the integration of spirituality in one's > work and life. Much of the book would be essays and stories on > spirituality and spiritual practice, some of it autobiographical. It > will cover some of my favorite practices and methods of yoga as they > relate to diet and exercise and health. It would also focus on the self > inquiry method in the context of kundalini yoga. After completing it, I > would put the e-book up on the website. > > I am planning to charge minimally for the e-book, but have not decided > how much. Other than my own time, I will be using the time of others > (for graphics, pictures, and perhaps other things) who often help > voluntarily for free. > > Would like your input on what may be appropriate in terms of e- book > pricing in this context. > > For example, should an e-book of the above description be downloaded for > $1, $1.95, $2.95, $3.95, $4.87, or $5.69, etc. > > Please be frank with your views, whatever they are. > > I would like to hear them and learn in terms of where people usually > stand on these things. > > Thanks > > Love to all > Harsha > > > -- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 Thanks Greg for pointing out some important issues and raising relevant questions. James, I appreciate the time you took to give your insights. I read them with care. Thanks. All these things are in their place to be reflected on if and when needed. I welcome other views and comments on spirituality and money. Earning livelihood through "spiritual works". We have many models to look at ranging from the very ascetic (Sri Ramana, traidtional Jain monks) to the Maharishi Mahesh yogi model. I suppose we could also rely on donations and millions would roll in! :-). Somehow I feel we should earn it (the old fashioned way like Smith Barney. Please let's keep the discussion going. Money, Rolls Royces, Yachts, and spirituality. Love to all Harsha > "james " <nisarga > 2003/10/28 Tue AM 05:52:23 EST > > Re: Sangha-Your input needed Namaste' Harsha, I have explored this question regarding the yoga classes that I offer. And the living answer that I employ amounts to - the solution unfolds from clearly understanding the situation. to realize freedom honour structure to realize structure honour freedom ultimate freedom has no structure ultimate structure has no freedom ~~~ If this is a project where you and others contribute your understanding and services freely and there are no other costs, then I would suggest that it be made freely available... If there are just minor costs most folks understand the need to charge a fee that covers these - yet as soon as you charge money the structure will have changed and it will be reflected as less freedom in this particular area ... in this light you may wish to: a) absorb the minor costs; b) accept the consequences of altering the structure; c) abandon the project; (how do you feel about option b)?) If you wish to take this on as a larger project from which you earn a portion of your livelihood, then I suggest that you charge an appropriate amount for your time, energy, and the costs that you incur, etc.,(the $30 range is one that is current for such things)... And there is the structure of satsangha... what you decide will impact it - you know that you've got it right if/when you feel free (to realize structure honour freedom) - if this is not the case then you would have to adjust. Love and Gratitude, James "Love itself is the actual form of God." Ramana Maharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 Dear Harsha, Greg and James: This is indeed a fascinating subject to me. While it is true that there are many sages who refused to ask for money to help others find their way, there are very few who refused donations. Let us consider the very logical reason for this. One does have to survive in the physical body in order to speak to the general public in a language it can understand. One also needs a roof over one's head :-) There are not too many caves left. The yogis around whom trees would grow did not do much services to others. Also, if you are what is called a "householder," you may have family relying upon you to feed and clothe them. Yet, Greg is right in that there are "comments" and criticism of those who charge a fee for this type of material. We saw it just recently as he says, on NDS. And recently, Tony made a comment to Wim about a similar thing. So, people do have strong feelings about it. Back near the end of 2002, there was quite a hullabaloo on the klist. What is known as a troll, LOL, was really harassing Angelique over many things, including the fact that she provides spiritual services for a fee. Yet if one looks at her site, you can see that she has also provided a great deal without charge for many years and continues to do so. My reaction at the time was what I expressed above. There are bills to pay. There is no free lunch. Even those who dedicate themselves to monasteries or to the church are taken care of by others financially. Why? Why? Why? Because they are devoting their life to it. In doing that they are sacrificing other means of making a living. When the amount of time you devote to it reaches a certain point, there is a crossroad which must be confronted. Actually, Harsha, if what you contemplate is a book, why not make it hard copy rather than an ebook? If you are going to go public with your wisdom, why not think big and give something bound together? Something someone can buy and give to someone else as a gift of "joy :-)" You can dedicate to me for giving you the idea :-) A question for the sangha...There seem to be many who question the receipt of financial remuneration in exchange for spiritual rejuvenation. I am curious to know the reasoning behind this position? Would anyone enlighten me on this most controversial topic? Love, Joyce - harsha (AT) cox (DOT) net Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:09 AM Re: Re: Sangha-Your input needed Thanks Greg for pointing out some important issues and raising relevant questions.James, I appreciate the time you took to give your insights. I read them with care.Thanks. All these things are in their place to be reflected on if and when needed.I welcome other views and comments on spirituality and money. Earning livelihood through "spiritual works". We have many models to look at ranging from the very ascetic (Sri Ramana, traidtional Jain monks) to the Maharishi Mahesh yogi model.I suppose we could also rely on donations and millions would roll in! :-). Somehow I feel we should earn it (the old fashioned way like Smith Barney.Please let's keep the discussion going.Money, Rolls Royces, Yachts, and spirituality.Love to allHarsha> "james " <nisarga (AT) chebucto (DOT) ns.ca>> 2003/10/28 Tue AM 05:52:23 EST> > Subject: Re: Sangha-Your input neededNamaste' Harsha, I have explored this question regarding the yoga classes that I offer. And the living answer that I employ amounts to - the solution unfolds from clearly understanding the situation. to realize freedom honour structure to realize structure honour freedom ultimate freedom has no structure ultimate structure has no freedom a mutt is somewhere in between- this must be why they say mixed breeds are the best choice :-) ~~~If this is a project where you and others contribute your understanding and services freely and there are no other costs, then I would suggest that it be made freely available...If there are just minor costs most folks understand the need to charge a fee that covers these - yet as soon as you charge money the structure will have changed and it will be reflected as less freedom in this particular area ... in this light you may wish to:a) absorb the minor costs; b) accept the consequences of altering the structure; c) abandon the project; (how do you feel about option b)?) If you wish to take this on as a larger project from which you earn a portion of your livelihood, then I suggest that you charge an appropriate amount for your time, energy, and the costs that you incur, etc.,(the $30 range is one that is current for such things)...And there is the structure of satsangha... what you decide will impact it - you know that you've got it right if/when you feel free (to realize structure honour freedom) - if this is not the case then you would have to adjust.Love and Gratitude,James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 Thanks Joyce for your input. Zenbob had also suggested a hard cover book some time ago and asked for 5 copies to give to friends (so we have some built in sales!). Yes, maybe the hard copy version is the way to go. The e-book could have some excerpts. OK Joyce, please start looking around for some powerhouse publishers! :-). Love to all Harsha Lady Joyce wrote: > Dear Harsha, Greg and James: > > This is indeed a fascinating subject to me. While it is true that there > are many sages who refused to ask for money to help others find their > way, there are very few who refused donations. Let us consider the very > logical reason for this. One does have to survive in the physical body > in order to speak to the general public in a language it can understand. > One also needs a roof over one's head :-) There are not too many caves > left. The yogis around whom trees would grow did not do much services > to others. Also, if you are what is called a "householder," you > may have family relying upon you to feed and clothe them. > > Yet, Greg is right in that there are "comments" and criticism of those > who charge a fee for this type of material. We saw it just recently as > he says, on NDS. And recently, Tony made a comment to Wim about a > similar thing. So, people do have strong feelings about it. > > Back near the end of 2002, there was quite a hullabaloo on the klist. > What is known as a troll, LOL, was really harassing Angelique over many > things, including the fact that she provides spiritual services for a > fee. Yet if one looks at her site, you can see that she has also > provided a great deal without charge for many years and continues to do > so. My reaction at the time was what I expressed above. There are > bills to pay. There is no free lunch. Even those who dedicate > themselves to monasteries or to the church are taken care of by others > financially. Why? Why? Why? > > Because they are devoting their life to it. In doing that they are > sacrificing other means of making a living. > When the amount of time you devote to it reaches a certain point, there > is a crossroad which must be confronted. > Actually, Harsha, if what you contemplate is a book, why not make it > hard copy rather than an ebook? > If you are going to go public with your wisdom, why not think big and > give something bound together? > Something someone can buy and give to someone else as a gift of "joy :-)" > You can dedicate to me for giving you the idea :-) > > > A question for the sangha...There seem to be many who question the > receipt of financial remuneration in exchange for spiritual > rejuvenation. I am curious to know the reasoning behind this position? > Would anyone enlighten me on this most controversial topic? > > Love, > > Joyce > > > > - > harsha <harsha > > <> > Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:09 AM > Re: Re: Sangha-Your input needed > > Thanks Greg for pointing out some important issues and raising > relevant questions. > > James, I appreciate the time you took to give your insights. I read > them with care. > > Thanks. All these things are in their place to be reflected on if > and when needed. > > I welcome other views and comments on spirituality and money. > Earning livelihood through "spiritual works". We have many models to > look at ranging from the very ascetic (Sri Ramana, traidtional Jain > monks) to the Maharishi Mahesh yogi model. > > > I suppose we could also rely on donations and millions would roll > in! :-). Somehow I feel we should earn it (the old fashioned way > like Smith Barney. > > Please let's keep the discussion going. > > Money, Rolls Royces, Yachts, and spirituality. > > Love to all > Harsha > > > > "james " <nisarga > > 2003/10/28 Tue AM 05:52:23 EST > > > > Re: Sangha-Your input needed > > Namaste' Harsha, > > > I have explored this question regarding the yoga classes that > I offer. And the living answer that I employ amounts to - the > solution unfolds from clearly understanding the situation. > > > to realize freedom honour structure > to realize structure honour freedom > > ultimate freedom has no structure > ultimate structure has no freedom > > a mutt is somewhere in between- > this must be why they say mixed breeds are the best choice :-) > > > ~~~ > > > If this is a project where you and others contribute your > understanding and services freely and there are no other costs, then > I would suggest that it be made freely available... > > > If there are just minor costs most folks understand the need to > charge a fee that covers these - yet as soon as you charge money the > structure will have changed and it will be reflected as less freedom > in this particular area ... in this light you may wish to: > > a) absorb the minor costs; > b) accept the consequences of altering the structure; > c) abandon the project; > > (how do you feel about option b)?) > > > If you wish to take this on as a larger project from which you earn > a portion of your livelihood, then I suggest that you charge an > appropriate amount for your time, energy, and the costs that you > incur, etc.,(the $30 range is one that is current for such things)... > > > And there is the structure of satsangha... what you decide > will impact it - you know that you've got it right if/when you feel > free (to realize structure honour freedom) - if this is not the case > then you would have to adjust. > > > > Love and Gratitude, > James > > > > Sponsor > > <http://rd./M=194081.4074964.5287182.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705060955:H\ M/A=1732163/R=0/SIG=11n0nglqg/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=30510&media=\ zone> > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > Terms of Service > <>. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 Hi All: I think an E-Book is fine idea. I believe that pricing will depend on the mass of the object involved. Or, perhaps, depending on the nature of the E-project, a series of specific E-books, priced at very reasonable levels makes more sense. So...one huge super-duper E-Massive book: maybe $6 -7 or a dozen smaller little E-trifles at $ 1 each. They could be most E-lightening and E-ntertaining! Harsha, you already have my support and permission to use whatever I have contributed in the past, and if you need anything specific--stories, articles, poetry--please let me know. I will also gladly perform the following devotional services for the group: 1. Professional Editing 2. Conversion to Adobe Acrobat Reader Format 3. Photo enhancement, editing, cropping, etc. to include in any of the E-books Let me know how your Solarbrainstorm thoughts develop! Much Love, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 , wrote: > I welcome other views and comments on spirituality and money. Earning livelihood through "spiritual works". We have many models to look at ranging from the very ascetic (Sri Ramana, traidtional Jain monks) to the Maharishi Mahesh yogi model. > > > I suppose we could also rely on donations and millions would roll in! :-). Somehow I feel we should earn it (the old fashioned way like Smith Barney. > > Please let's keep the discussion going. > > Money, Rolls Royces, Yachts, and spirituality. > > Love to all > Harsha > Hi Harsha, I usually will read an excerpt free on the internet and then if it sounds interesting and helpful, purchase the hard copy. Some people who have recently published books have created whole websites to advertise and support the sales. As for it being kosher, I think most people accept the fact nothing is free and primarily object to the flagrant duping going on when there is promised healings and so forth...." Put your hands on the monitor now with me and...HEAL!"...that kind of thing. I wish you best of luck and blessings in whatever decision you make, and will wash the Rolls if it should pull up outside. ))))))...and could you ask Bobby if I could borrow it after he gets through with it? love, Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Dear Zenbob, As always, thank you for your kind words and support. Your offer to help with professional editing and Adobe Acrobat and doing photo enhancement is most generous and very much appreciated. We need practical help from supporters of the sangha like yourself Zenbob who have the initiative and the leadership. For years you have walked with us and it is joy to have you here offering us your unique presence, humor, wit, and wisdom, and publishing as well as financial advice! Lots of love brother Harsha zen2wrk wrote: > Hi All: > > I think an E-Book is fine idea. I believe that pricing will depend on > the mass of the object involved. Or, perhaps, depending on the nature > of the E-project, a series of specific E-books, priced at very > reasonable levels makes more sense. > > So...one huge super-duper E-Massive book: maybe $6 -7 or a dozen smaller > little E-trifles at $ 1 each. > > They could be most E-lightening and E-ntertaining! > > Harsha, you already have my support and permission to use whatever I > have contributed in the past, and if you need anything > specific--stories, articles, poetry--please let me know. > > I will also gladly perform the following devotional services for the group: > > 1. Professional Editing > 2. Conversion to Adobe Acrobat Reader Format > 3. Photo enhancement, editing, cropping, etc. to include in any of > the E-books > > Let me know how your Solarbrainstorm thoughts develop! > > Much Love, > > Zenbob > > > Sponsor > <http://rd./M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705060955:H\ M/A=1524963/R=0/SIG=12o885gmo/*http://hits.411web.com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556\ &lineid=3614674∝=egroupweb&pos=HM> > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > Terms of Service > <>. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 , Greg Goode <goode@D...> wrote: > Hi Harsha, > > I think an e-book is a great idea, it lends importance to whatever is inside, and provides the chance to cerate something of beauty, value and service. There will certainly be some sales, after all, the internet is a big place. However, I bet there will also be some commentary about the idea of charging for this kind of material. I'm thinking here of the kinds of reactions that Jeff Belyea got when people saw that he was charging on his website for spiritual books and other materials. Sales, comments; comments, sales.... Will the proceeds be shared among the project's various contributors? Will the proceeds go towards maintaining the site? It's a big subject! > > --Greg > > > > At 03:51 PM 10/27/2003 -0500, Harsha wrote: > >Dear Sangha: > > > >I am thinking of writing an e-book and putting it on the HS website. > > > >I intend to have a section on the integration of spirituality in one's > >work and life. Much of the book would be essays and stories on > >spirituality and spiritual practice, some of it autobiographical. It > >will cover some of my favorite practices and methods of yoga as they > >relate to diet and exercise and health. It would also focus on the self > >inquiry method in the context of kundalini yoga. After completing it, I > >would put the e-book up on the website. > > > >I am planning to charge minimally for the e-book, but have not decided > >how much. Other than my own time, I will be using the time of others > >(for graphics, pictures, and perhaps other things) who often help > >voluntarily for free. > > > >Would like your input on what may be appropriate in terms of e-book > >pricing in this context. > > > >For example, should an e-book of the above description be downloaded for > >$1, $1.95, $2.95, $3.95, $4.87, or $5.69, etc. > > > >Please be frank with your views, whatever they are. > > > >I would like to hear them and learn in terms of where people usually > >stand on these things. > > > >Thanks > > > >Love to all > >Harsha > > > > > >-- > ><> > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > ><http://rd./M=194081.4074964.5287182.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705060955:\ HM/A=1706996/R=0/SIG=11p5b9ris/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=30509&media\ =atkins>3e38bde.jpg > >3e38cf6.jpg > > > ></join>/grou\ p//join > > > > > > > ><> > > > >"Love itself is the actual form of God." > > > >Sri Ramana > > > >In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > 3.95 $ sounds good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 hi harshaji: firstly, that piece you wrote about where thoughts arise from was very good. secondly, meher baba and baba hari dass being my favorite *god- realized beings* were not at all interested in money...so i suggest that everyone be like them...(of course they both were/are surrounded by wealthy devottess... i personally would do everything i could to provide spiritual truths for free, but i see nothing wrong in charging for money.or accepting donations..almost everything i received that was of value just came to me or i was just lead to, no money involved...so i would have to return the favor....to the universe...i think not being involved with money is just part of a special sadhana..... has anyone here ever taken a vow of poverty,,i remember when i was around sixteen and read sidhartha that right afterrwoods i vowed to myself that i would stay poor and God hasn't let me broken my vow...sometimes i could just kick myself for that hasty descision... hari om devi , wrote: > Thanks Greg for pointing out some important issues and raising relevant questions. > > James, I appreciate the time you took to give your insights. I read them with care. > > Thanks. All these things are in their place to be reflected on if and when needed. > > I welcome other views and comments on spirituality and money. Earning livelihood through "spiritual works". We have many models to look at ranging from the very ascetic (Sri Ramana, traidtional Jain monks) to the Maharishi Mahesh yogi model. > > > I suppose we could also rely on donations and millions would roll in! :-). Somehow I feel we should earn it (the old fashioned way like Smith Barney. > > Please let's keep the discussion going. > > Money, Rolls Royces, Yachts, and spirituality. > > Love to all > Harsha > > > > "james " <nisarga@c...> > > 2003/10/28 Tue AM 05:52:23 EST > > > > Re: Sangha-Your input needed > > Namaste' Harsha, > > > I have explored this question regarding the yoga classes that > I offer. And the living answer that I employ amounts to - the > solution unfolds from clearly understanding the situation. > > > to realize freedom honour structure > to realize structure honour freedom > > ultimate freedom has no structure > ultimate structure has no freedom > > ~~~ > > > If this is a project where you and others contribute your > understanding and services freely and there are no other costs, then > I would suggest that it be made freely available... > > > If there are just minor costs most folks understand the need to > charge a fee that covers these - yet as soon as you charge money the > structure will have changed and it will be reflected as less freedom > in this particular area ... in this light you may wish to: > > a) absorb the minor costs; > b) accept the consequences of altering the structure; > c) abandon the project; > > (how do you feel about option b)?) > > > If you wish to take this on as a larger project from which you earn > a portion of your livelihood, then I suggest that you charge an > appropriate amount for your time, energy, and the costs that you > incur, etc.,(the $30 range is one that is current for such things)... > > > And there is the structure of satsangha... what you decide > will impact it - you know that you've got it right if/when you feel > free (to realize structure honour freedom) - if this is not the case > then you would have to adjust. > > > > Love and Gratitude, > James > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Ramana Maharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 , Harsha wrote: > Dear Zenbob, > > As always, thank you for your kind words and support. > > Your offer to help with professional editing and Adobe Acrobat and doing > photo enhancement is most generous and very much appreciated. > > We need practical help from supporters of the sangha like yourself > Zenbob who have the initiative and the leadership. > > For years you have walked with us and it is joy to have you here > offering us your unique presence, humor, wit, and wisdom, and publishing > as well as financial advice! > > Lots of love brother > Harsha harshaji: i would be happy to help get your e-book on line. i have alot of free time...sincerely devi > > zen2wrk@a... wrote: > > > Hi All: > > > > I think an E-Book is fine idea. I believe that pricing will depend on > > the mass of the object involved. Or, perhaps, depending on the nature > > of the E-project, a series of specific E-books, priced at very > > reasonable levels makes more sense. > > > > So...one huge super-duper E-Massive book: maybe $6 -7 or a dozen smaller > > little E-trifles at $ 1 each. > > > > They could be most E-lightening and E-ntertaining! > > > > Harsha, you already have my support and permission to use whatever I > > have contributed in the past, and if you need anything > > specific--stories, articles, poetry--please let me know. > > > > I will also gladly perform the following devotional services for the group: > > > > 1. Professional Editing > > 2. Conversion to Adobe Acrobat Reader Format > > 3. Photo enhancement, editing, cropping, etc. to include in any of > > the E-books > > > > Let me know how your Solarbrainstorm thoughts develop! > > > > Much Love, > > > > Zenbob > > > > > > Sponsor > > <http://rd./M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17 05060955:HM/A=1524963/R=0/SIG=12o885gmo/*http://hits.411web.com/cgi- bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674∝=egroupweb&pos=HM> > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > > > Sri Ramana > > > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > Terms of Service > > <>. > > -- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 I appreciate your free & frank expression of thoughts on your vow taken while innocent adolecent as under I quote:remember when i was around sixteen and read sidhartha that right afterrwoods i vowed to myself that i would stay poor and God hasn't let me broken my vow...sometimes i could just kick myself for that hasty descision...Your case is similar to that of mine however i suggest that it is better to honour your innocent decision whole heartedly and in anycase forgive yourself for the same taking it as a wish of God almighty. With regarsds & Hari Om RN gupta devianandi <devi (AT) pacific (DOT) net> wrote: hi harshaji:firstly, that piece you wrote about where thoughts arise from was very good.secondly, meher baba and baba hari dass being my favorite *god-realized beings* were not at all interested in money...so i suggest that everyone be like them...(of course they both were/are surrounded by wealthy devottess...i personally would do everything i could to provide spiritual truths for free, but i see nothing wrong in charging for money.or accepting donations..almost everything i received that was of value just came to me or i was just lead to, no money involved...so i would have to return the favor....to the universe...i think not being involved with money is just part of a special sadhana.....has anyone here ever taken a vow of poverty,,i remember when i was around sixteen and read sidhartha that right afterrwoods i vowed to myself that i would stay poor and God hasn't let me broken my vow...sometimes i could just kick myself for that hasty descision...hari omdevi, wrote:> Thanks Greg for pointing out some important issues and raising relevant questions.> > James, I appreciate the time you took to give your insights. I read them with care.> > Thanks. All these things are in their place to be reflected on if and when needed.> > I welcome other views and comments on spirituality and money. Earning livelihood through "spiritual works". We have many models to look at ranging from the very ascetic (Sri Ramana, traidtional Jain monks) to the Maharishi Mahesh yogi model.> > > I suppose we could also rely on donations and millions would roll in! :-). Somehow I feel we should earn it (the old fashioned way like Smith Barney.> > Please let's keep the discussion going.> > Money, Rolls Royces, Yachts, and spirituality.> > Love to all> Harsha> > > > "james " <nisarga@c...>> > 2003/10/28 Tue AM 05:52:23 EST> > > > Subject: Re: Sangha-Your input needed> > Namaste' Harsha,> > > I have explored this question regarding the yoga classes that > I offer. And the living answer that I employ amounts to - the > solution unfolds from clearly understanding the situation.> > > to realize freedom honour structure> to realize structure honour freedom> > ultimate freedom has no structure> ultimate structure has no freedom> > ~~~> > > If this is a project where you and others contribute your > understanding and services freely and there are no other costs, then > I would suggest that it be made freely available...> > > If there are just minor costs most folks understand the need to > charge a fee that covers these - yet as soon as you charge money the > structure will have changed and it will be reflected as less freedom > in this particular area ... in this light you may wish to:> > a) absorb the minor costs; > b) accept the consequences of altering the structure; > c) abandon the project; > > (how do you feel about option b)?) > > > If you wish to take this on as a larger project from which you earn > a portion of your livelihood, then I suggest that you charge an > appropriate amount for your time, energy, and the costs that you > incur, etc.,(the $30 range is one that is current for such things)...> > > And there is the structure of Harsha Satsangha... what you decide > will impact it - you know that you've got it right if/when you feel > free (to realize structure honour freedom) - if this is not the case > then you would have to adjust.> > > > Love and Gratitude,> James> > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God."> > Ramana Maharshi/join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Terms of Service. India Matrimony: Find your partner online. Post your profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 Thanks you Deviji: Your offer of help is much appreciated. We need all the help we can get. Harsha devianandi wrote: > - > > harshaji: i would be happy to help get your e-book on line. i have > alot of free time...sincerely devi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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