Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 I have one question, which I wonder, if you could clear. For those of us who have to go to work to earn a living, how do we go about "abiding in & as pure awareness", while at the same time performing our jobs? Awareness watching awareness is fine when we are sitting and meditating. But, while performing our jobs, the mind is engaged in the job. How do we get the jobs done while at the same time abiding in the Self? With respects, sundar Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 Hello Michael, 1. Your web sites are full of very deep statements from Sri Muruganar that stress the importance of abiding in the Self. Relatively speaking, the method of awareness watching awareness is not explained that exhaustively. Let me know if there is another site that goes into the details of the method. Probably your site http://uarelove1.tripod.com/FOUNDATION.htm may contain more information on the method in future. 2. While performing my tasks at work, I can not be asking 'to whom are these thoughts happening', since I am in the middle of the work & I need to focus on the task at hand. 3. Perhaps, if I have first practiced deep meditation using the 'awareness watching awareness' method or some such method, then work can happen without any 'I' attached to it. In this way, I will not be TRYING to 'abide in the Self' while performing my tasks. Instead, tasks will be getting performed when in the Self state or by the Self (with the body as the instrument). Let me know if you have more comments on this. I thank you for your very useful websites. With respect, Sundar , "uarelove" <uarelove> wrote: > Dear Sundar: > > The following quote > can be read > near the bottom of > the Instructions Page: > > "In black above are > actual practice instructions > for two approaches to Self-inquiry. > > You can choose one or the other > or try a combination of both. > > The `To whom do these thoughts arise?' > approach to Self-inquiry > is more compatible with daily activities. > > Thus you could, if you wish, > use the "To whom do these thoughts arise?" > approach when you have other activities going on, > and use the awareness watching awareness approach > when you have set aside time > with no other activities going on." > > You can read it at this link: > > http://uarelove1.tripod.com/inquiry_abidance.htm > > Take care, > > with Love, > > Michael L. > > , sundar sundararajan > <sundar22ca> wrote: > > Dear Michael, > > I read in Sri Muruganar's writings, about the awareness watching > awareness method of meditation. > > > > I have one question, which I wonder, if you could clear. For those > of us who have to go to work to earn a living, how do we go > about "abiding in & as pure awareness", while at the same time > performing our jobs? > > > > Awareness watching awareness is fine when we are sitting and > meditating. But, while performing our jobs, the mind is engaged in > the job. How do we get the jobs done while at the same time abiding > in the Self? > > > > With respects, > > sundar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 > > > I have one question, which I wonder, if you could clear. For > those > > of us who have to go to work to earn a living, how do we go > > about "abiding in & as pure awareness", while at the same time > > performing our jobs? > > > > > > Awareness watching awareness is fine when we are sitting and > > meditating. But, while performing our jobs, the mind is engaged in > > the job. How do we get the jobs done while at the same time abiding > > in the Self? > > > > > > With respects, > > > sundar Hi Sundar: One way to think of this problem is brainwave proportions. Being awake carries with it a certain amount of theta (4-8 hertz), alpha (8- 14hz), and beta (14 and up) brainwaves. High beta is typical of mental activity while working. There is typically low alpha and low theta then. The alpha is the bridge between the lower frequency brainwaves and the higher beta. The alpha has the distinction of connecting the creative and problem solving activities of the theta with the thinking apparatus of the beta. The awakened mind in the meditative state has a high alpha proportion and a low beta and theta. That is, low activity in thinking and the presentation of ideas with high activity in consolidation or unity. Alpha is distinguished because it carries the sensation of love. Yes we have to work and we have to learn to love it. Love Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 Hello Bobby G, I am still looking for an easily understandable suggestion for performing my task obligations while abiding in the Self. Should I remind myself often that I should not be abiding in the ego (as I seem to be doing presently) while performing tasks? sundar , "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: > > > > > I have one question, which I wonder, if you could clear. For > > those > > > of us who have to go to work to earn a living, how do we go > > > about "abiding in & as pure awareness", while at the same time > > > performing our jobs? > > > > > > > > Awareness watching awareness is fine when we are sitting and > > > meditating. But, while performing our jobs, the mind is engaged > in > > > the job. How do we get the jobs done while at the same time > abiding > > > in the Self? > > > > > > > > With respects, > > > > sundar > > Hi Sundar: > > One way to think of this problem is brainwave proportions. Being > awake carries with it a certain amount of theta (4-8 hertz), alpha (8- > 14hz), and beta (14 and up) brainwaves. > > High beta is typical of mental activity while working. There is > typically low alpha and low theta then. > > The alpha is the bridge between the lower frequency brainwaves and > the higher beta. The alpha has the distinction of connecting the > creative and problem solving activities of the theta with the > thinking apparatus of the beta. > > The awakened mind in the meditative state has a high alpha > proportion and a low beta and theta. That is, low activity in > thinking and the presentation of ideas with high activity in > consolidation or unity. > > Alpha is distinguished because it carries the sensation of love. > > Yes we have to work and we have to learn to love it. > > Love > Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 , "sundar22ca" <sundar22ca> wrote: > Hello Bobby G, > I am still looking for an easily understandable suggestion for > performing my task obligations while abiding in the Self. > > Should I remind myself often that I should not be abiding in the ego > (as I seem to be doing presently) while performing tasks? > sundar Dear Sundar: I have the same problem. One reason I came to the "lists" was to see how other people thought about Ramana Maharshi's upadesa. I get wrapped up in my work also. Perhaps work is distracting because of things that can be mitigated. Workplace politics creates mental distraction. Romance,insecurity, new projects, learning curves, complaints, taxes, government involvement, and all sorts of other things can contribute to 'abiding in the ego'. Maybe these things can be approached as projects in themselves with the end in mind of peace to abide in the Self. Love Bobby G. > , "texasbg2000" > <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: > > > > > > > I have one question, which I wonder, if you could clear. For > > > those > > > > of us who have to go to work to earn a living, how do we go > > > > about "abiding in & as pure awareness", while at the same time > > > > performing our jobs? > > > > > > > > > > Awareness watching awareness is fine when we are sitting and > > > > meditating. But, while performing our jobs, the mind is engaged > > in > > > > the job. How do we get the jobs done while at the same time > > abiding > > > > in the Self? > > > > > > > > > > With respects, > > > > > sundar > > > > Hi Sundar: > > > > One way to think of this problem is brainwave proportions. Being > > awake carries with it a certain amount of theta (4-8 hertz), alpha > (8- > > 14hz), and beta (14 and up) brainwaves. > > > > High beta is typical of mental activity while working. There is > > typically low alpha and low theta then. > > > > The alpha is the bridge between the lower frequency brainwaves and > > the higher beta. The alpha has the distinction of connecting the > > creative and problem solving activities of the theta with the > > thinking apparatus of the beta. > > > > The awakened mind in the meditative state has a high alpha > > proportion and a low beta and theta. That is, low activity in > > thinking and the presentation of ideas with high activity in > > consolidation or unity. > > > > Alpha is distinguished because it carries the sensation of love. > > > > Yes we have to work and we have to learn to love it. > > > > Love > > Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Hi Bobby G. and Sundar, I feel that Relaxation is the Ultimate Discipline/Challenge. (trying to relax is 'trying' - it is not relaxation) In this light you do 'nothing'. This does not mean that there is no action. Intelligent action unfolds from Seeing clearly and seeing clearly is natural when there is no obstruction to Seeing. I feel that all the wise comments that say 'You are Love' and/or ask you to explore 'Who am I?' are ways to come to the understanding that 'Love itself is the actual form of God'; and it is not so much this statement is significant - rather it is its impact. If/when you truly see that you are Love, what impact would/does that have? would 'you' relax...? And when 'you' relax the current of what you are naturally flows through you and as you - it acts. Love and Gratitude, James , "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: > , "sundar22ca" <sundar22ca> > wrote: > > Hello Bobby G, > > I am still looking for an easily understandable suggestion for > > performing my task obligations while abiding in the Self. > > > > Should I remind myself often that I should not be abiding in the > ego > > (as I seem to be doing presently) while performing tasks? > > sundar > > Dear Sundar: > > I have the same problem. One reason I came to the "lists" was to see > how other people thought about Ramana Maharshi's upadesa. > > I get wrapped up in my work also. > > Perhaps work is distracting because of things that can be mitigated. > Workplace politics creates mental distraction. Romance,insecurity, > new projects, learning curves, complaints, taxes, government > involvement, and all sorts of other things can contribute to 'abiding > in the ego'. Maybe these things can be approached as projects in > themselves with the end in mind of peace to abide in the Self. > > Love > Bobby G. > > > , "texasbg2000" > > <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I have one question, which I wonder, if you could clear. > For > > > > those > > > > > of us who have to go to work to earn a living, how do we go > > > > > about "abiding in & as pure awareness", while at the same > time > > > > > performing our jobs? > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness watching awareness is fine when we are sitting > and > > > > > meditating. But, while performing our jobs, the mind is > engaged > > > in > > > > > the job. How do we get the jobs done while at the same time > > > abiding > > > > > in the Self? > > > > > > > > > > > > With respects, > > > > > > sundar > > > > > > Hi Sundar: > > > > > > One way to think of this problem is brainwave proportions. Being > > > awake carries with it a certain amount of theta (4-8 hertz), > alpha > > (8- > > > 14hz), and beta (14 and up) brainwaves. > > > > > > High beta is typical of mental activity while working. There is > > > typically low alpha and low theta then. > > > > > > The alpha is the bridge between the lower frequency brainwaves > and > > > the higher beta. The alpha has the distinction of connecting the > > > creative and problem solving activities of the theta with the > > > thinking apparatus of the beta. > > > > > > The awakened mind in the meditative state has a high alpha > > > proportion and a low beta and theta. That is, low activity in > > > thinking and the presentation of ideas with high activity in > > > consolidation or unity. > > > > > > Alpha is distinguished because it carries the sensation of love. > > > > > > Yes we have to work and we have to learn to love it. > > > > > > Love > > > Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 , "sundar22ca" <sundar22ca> wrote: > Hello Michael, > 1. Your web sites are full of very deep statements from Sri Muruganar > that stress the importance of abiding in the Self. Relatively > speaking, the method of awareness watching awareness is not explained > that exhaustively. Dear Sundar: The brevity of the explanation on these two links: http://uarelove1.tripod.com/inquiry_abidance.htm http://uarelove1.tripod.com/AWA_DISCOVERY.htm is deliberate. The reasons for the brevity are: #1. One primarily learns by practicing. #2. In order not to feed the desire for concepts that Sri Ramana gave so many warnings about in this collection of quotes: http://uarelove1.tripod.com/READING_AND_DISCUSSING.htm In those first two links all of Sri Muruganar's quotes are also serving as an explanation of the method, not only the words that I have written in explanation. The turning inward quotes are also part of the method: http://uarelove1.tripod.com/world.htm http://uarelove1.tripod.com/TURNING_INWARD.htm Because the method is awareness watching awareness while ignoring and turning one's attention away from the world, the body, thought etc. and the two links above are Sri Muruganar's instructions in the turning inward part of the practice. Although I can't remember everything I read in those 2000 books I read during the 25 year period that I was lost in intellectual spirituality posing as real spirituality, I think that the following quote from Sorupa Saram which I only discovered very recently, might be the most vital, powerful, significant quote for those extremely few individuals who are seriously determined to be free of the ego illusion: 67. Question: "But will not this experience come to everyone" Answer: "If one becomes inward-turned instead of being externalized, this experience will come for everyone. I declare: 'If their minds are directed inward, attending to the light (the Self), and do not become outward-turned, all those upon this earth are capable of seeing the Self, just as I have seen my Self.'" That quote is well worth reading very slowly over and over. Thus the great importance of knowing exactly what "turning inward" means. Thus the great value of those two collection of quotes with more than 200 quotes (world and turning inward links above) by Sri Muruganar as to what the meaning of turning inward is. There is another quote that is even more essential, even if not as well stated as #67 above: 76. Question: "How to be rid of desires?" Answer: "Through desire for realization of the truth. O desire! Though I suffered much through you, on account of your help I dwelt in the Self. I reached the Sadguru through you. In liberation I have, along with you, become the Self. I swear to this." The reason this quote is essential is because the desire for the realization of truth is the solution to every problem one seeking liberation might encounter. It was the quantum leap in the desire for liberation that produced the great change in my consciousness. It was not something sudden. There was an attempt at more self honesty and then the desire for liberation began growing a little each day. Just for sake of illustration lets say it grew at the rate of 1% per day. After a hundred days it had doubled to its previous level. Eventually as a couple of years rolled by, the desire for liberation had grown to levels that I did not know existed because I had not previously experienced them. When the desire for freedom becomes very, very intense, all the previous outlook disappears. Every obstacle that one intent upon liberation encounters is a fanatasy created by the ego. It is the great increase in the desire for liberation that allows one to see all that the ego had hidden previously. The solution to every problem one who desires liberation faces, is to increase the desire for liberation. Why? Because when the increase in the desire for liberation becomes like a force or power. It demands that all obstacles be swept away and when the desire for liberation is intense enough, it does just that, sweeps them away. If a question needs answering, the desire for liberation itself brings the answer. When the desire for liberation reaches an extreme level, doubt comes to an end. Probably your site > http://uarelove1.tripod.com/FOUNDATION.htm may contain more > information on the method in future. Well there may or not be much more informaton on the Foundaton page in the future. However already today, much more information has been added there. A new section has been added called "The Desire for Liberation" It is section VIII. There are 108 numbered points there. However, there is a lot of repetition, the same point being phrased in different words. I have removed that long description of the negative side of human life from the Foundation page. The reason I have removed it, is because that is more of a one time or once per year exercise, because the positive is more effective in motivating than the negative. > > 2. While performing my tasks at work, I can not be asking 'to whom > are these thoughts happening', since I am in the middle of the work & > I need to focus on the task at hand. > > 3. Perhaps, if I have first practiced deep meditation using > the 'awareness watching awareness' method or some such method, then > work can happen without any 'I' attached to it. In this way, I will > not be TRYING to 'abide in the Self' while performing my tasks. > Instead, tasks will be getting performed when in the Self state or by the Self (with the body as the instrument). You bring up a very good point here. People are fond of quoting Sri Ramana Maharshi as saying that inquiring for an hour or two per day is for spiritual novices, and that one should inquire continuously. However, what they usually leave out is that he also said that the current established by the intensity of your inquiry during the hour or two per day, will automatically carry over to the rest of the day. This is quite similar to the point you make in #3 above. The hour or two per day that one gives to awareness watching awareness is what is most essential, because if one does not even give the hour or two per day to turning inward without other activity, then the current will not be established. Take care, with Love, Michael L. > > Let me know if you have more comments on this. I thank you for your > very useful websites. > > With respect, > Sundar > > , "uarelove" <uarelove> > wrote: > > Dear Sundar: > > > > The following quote > > can be read > > near the bottom of > > the Instructions Page: > > > > "In black above are > > actual practice instructions > > for two approaches to Self-inquiry. > > > > You can choose one or the other > > or try a combination of both. > > > > The `To whom do these thoughts arise?' > > approach to Self-inquiry > > is more compatible with daily activities. > > > > Thus you could, if you wish, > > use the "To whom do these thoughts arise?" > > approach when you have other activities going on, > > and use the awareness watching awareness approach > > when you have set aside time > > with no other activities going on." > > > > You can read it at this link: > > > > http://uarelove1.tripod.com/inquiry_abidance.htm > > > > Take care, > > > > with Love, > > > > Michael L. > > > > , sundar sundararajan > > <sundar22ca> wrote: > > > Dear Michael, > > > I read in Sri Muruganar's writings, about the awareness watching > > awareness method of meditation. > > > > > > I have one question, which I wonder, if you could clear. For > those > > of us who have to go to work to earn a living, how do we go > > about "abiding in & as pure awareness", while at the same time > > performing our jobs? > > > > > > Awareness watching awareness is fine when we are sitting and > > meditating. But, while performing our jobs, the mind is engaged in > > the job. How do we get the jobs done while at the same time abiding > > in the Self? > > > > > > With respects, > > > sundar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 texasbg2000 wrote: > > Perhaps work is distracting because of things that can be mitigated. > Workplace politics creates mental distraction. Romance,insecurity, > new projects, learning curves, complaints, taxes, government > involvement, and all sorts of other things can contribute to 'abiding > in the ego'. Maybe these things can be approached as projects in > themselves with the end in mind of peace to abide in the Self. > > Love > Bobby G. Abiding in the ego? What does it mean? Would it be the ego abiding in the ego? Sri Ramana said to inquire into the nature of the ego or the mind. What is ego or mind? This question can be asked seriously. I will put forth the technique of the Don't Know - Don't Care method at some point. Love to all Harsha -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Dear Sundar, --- sundar22ca <sundar22ca wrote: > Hello Bobby G, > I am still looking for an easily understandable > suggestion for > performing my task obligations while abiding in the > Self. > SNIP If you would know yourSELF as SELF while not working, then you would also experience yourSELF as SELF while at work. I don't mean that you should "think" that you are SELF; but I mean that if you can abide as SELF while not working then you can also abide as SELF while working. Love, michael Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard http://antispam./whatsnewfree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 , Harsha wrote: > texasbg2000 wrote: > > > > > Perhaps work is distracting because of things that can be mitigated. > > Workplace politics creates mental distraction. Romance,insecurity, > > new projects, learning curves, complaints, taxes, government > > involvement, and all sorts of other things can contribute to 'abiding > > in the ego'. Maybe these things can be approached as projects in > > themselves with the end in mind of peace to abide in the Self. > > > > Love > > Bobby G. > > Abiding in the ego? What does it mean? Would it be the ego abiding in > the ego? Sri Ramana said to inquire into the nature of the ego or the mind. > > What is ego or mind? This question can be asked seriously. Hi Harsha: To abide in the ego is phrased from the ego or "I" viewpoint. The mind sees activities split between the time when I am absorbed in worldly activities and Self Awareness. Seen from the viewpoint of Self awareness, "II", there is not an abiding in the ego. I see this change in viewpoint as a central issue in discussing methodology. It is far to easy to change viewpoints unknowingly and confuse the issue. Ramana suggested to find the source of the "I". Holding the "I" before the mind seems to me the way to describe looking for the source but it is harder to do when obligatory actions, work, impune. That is why I suggested to find a way to love the work in a previous post and then in this post to ellimanate some of the distracting elements to work that are not essential. It is what I do and God knows I might even be worse off if I did not. > > I will put forth the technique of the Don't Know - Don't Care method at > some point. don't know about this method, don't care. Love Bobby G. > > Love to all > Harsha > > -- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 texasbg2000 wrote: > don't know about this method, don't care. > > Love > Bobby G. You have grasped it Bobby! :-). Love, Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 , "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: > > > > > I have one question, which I wonder, if you could clear. For > > those > > > of us who have to go to work to earn a living, how do we go > > > about "abiding in & as pure awareness", while at the same time > > > performing our jobs? > > > > > > > > Awareness watching awareness is fine when we are sitting and > > > meditating. But, while performing our jobs, the mind is engaged > in > > > the job. How do we get the jobs done while at the same time > abiding > > > in the Self? > > > > > > > > With respects, > > > > sundar > > Hi Sundar: > > One way to think of this problem is brainwave proportions. Being > awake carries with it a certain amount of theta (4-8 hertz), alpha (8- > 14hz), and beta (14 and up) brainwaves. > > High beta is typical of mental activity while working. There is > typically low alpha and low theta then. > > The alpha is the bridge between the lower frequency brainwaves and > the higher beta. The alpha has the distinction of connecting the > creative and problem solving activities of the theta with the > thinking apparatus of the beta. > > The awakened mind in the meditative state has a high alpha > proportion and a low beta and theta. That is, low activity in > thinking and the presentation of ideas with high activity in > consolidation or unity. > > Alpha is distinguished because it carries the sensation of love. > > Yes we have to work and we have to learn to love it. > > Love > Bobby G. Bobby G, but abiding dring painting is most easy ist't it? it goes into ecstatic absorbtion at times what wave would that be? and what wave one falls into during Zazen running? love, Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 , Harsha wrote: > texasbg2000 wrote: > > don't know about this method, don't care. > > > > Love > > Bobby G. > > You have grasped it Bobby! :-). > > Love, > Harsha > > > Thank you Harshaji for this timely reminder of your humor. bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 , "Era" <satkarta7@j...> wrote: > , "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: > > > > > > > I have one question, which I wonder, if you could clear. For > > > those > > > > of us who have to go to work to earn a living, how do we go > > > > about "abiding in & as pure awareness", while at the same time > > > > performing our jobs? > > > > > > > > > > Awareness watching awareness is fine when we are sitting and > > > > meditating. But, while performing our jobs, the mind is engaged > > in > > > > the job. How do we get the jobs done while at the same time > > abiding > > > > in the Self? > > > > > > > > > > With respects, > > > > > sundar > > > > Hi Sundar: > > > > One way to think of this problem is brainwave proportions. Being > > awake carries with it a certain amount of theta (4-8 hertz), alpha (8- > > 14hz), and beta (14 and up) brainwaves. > > > > High beta is typical of mental activity while working. There is > > typically low alpha and low theta then. > > > > The alpha is the bridge between the lower frequency brainwaves and > > the higher beta. The alpha has the distinction of connecting the > > creative and problem solving activities of the theta with the > > thinking apparatus of the beta. > > > > The awakened mind in the meditative state has a high alpha > > proportion and a low beta and theta. That is, low activity in > > thinking and the presentation of ideas with high activity in > > consolidation or unity. > > > > Alpha is distinguished because it carries the sensation of love. > > > > Yes we have to work and we have to learn to love it. > > > > Love > > Bobby G. > > Bobby G, > > but abiding dring painting is most > easy ist't it? > > it goes into ecstatic absorbtion at > times > > what wave would that be? > > and what wave one falls into during > Zazen running? > > love, Era Hi Era: Maybe for you it is easy. When I paint, I come out of a session in tune and able to meditate better. The moment to moment realization is not there though during painting. I think to paint one needs a strong proportion of Alpha and Beta on the right side for visuals and strong theta on the left side to limit distracting thoughts. That is just a guess though. I have done a massive amount of walking zazen. Around an hour a day for 12 years, more on many days. It is very focusing because of the rhythm of breathing and stepping. The source of the breath is the same place in the body as the source of the "I". The awakened mind (meditative state) brainwave proportion is low beta, large alpha, and low theta, with little or no delta. The proportions are symmetrical for both right and left hemispheres. Thanks bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 > > but abiding during painting is most > > easy isn't it? > > > > it goes into ecstatic absorption at > > times > > > > what wave would that be? > > > > and what wave one falls into during > > Zazen running? > > > > love, Era > > Hi Era: > > Maybe for you it is easy. When I paint, I come out of a session in > tune and able to meditate better. The moment to moment realization > is not there though during painting. > I think to paint one needs a strong proportion of Alpha and Beta on > the right side for visuals and strong theta on the left side to limit > distracting thoughts. That is just a guess though. > > I have done a massive amount of walking zazen. Around an hour a day > for 12 years, more on many days. It is very focusing because of the > rhythm of breathing and stepping. The source of the breath is the > same place in the body as the source of the "I". this sounds so true Bobby G, and its new for my ears I wonder about; this did you follow the breath? is there such a practice? you know in yoga I learned that the surat the chi-intellect follows the eyes, we gaze inside toward the pineal like the saints on the paintings upward in hope to burst through the veils -I am still trying to comprehend this I-I thingy, but it must be PRACTICED right? I don't think that reading and thinking will do anything I keep on forgetting to be mindful I thought of getting a gong-sound alarm-clock to gong every hour or make a commitment that every time when I walk to my car I'll do it mindfully --meditation was easy I woke up at 3 and sat > > The awakened mind (meditative state) brainwave proportion is low > beta, large alpha, and low theta, with little or no delta. The > proportions are symmetrical for both right and left hemispheres. > > Thanks > bobby G. love, Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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