looking for the Heart-Cave?

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I found this maybe helpful, I didn't

find the nadi downward yet, but I am

still looking

 

any pointers here?

 

repost:

 

Dear J and W,

I would like to throw out a couple of things here for thoughts, if you don't

mind?

 

I have given W's note some thought and I remembered that when I was

working with the energy lines with some Taoist work, years ago, I was shown

how the energy flows up the spine in the back of the body and down in the

front. It takes a lot of sensitivity to notice this as it is very subtle.

 

****Most people experience the flow up first and then assume that's it. That's

all there is. I was curious if either of you have noticed the location of

the flow if you have had any experience with this downward flow?

 

Also as a side note, the way I learned Loving Kindness meditation is a

little different from most teachers and when we do it the way we learned,

there is tremendous heat in the heart which we then learn to target outward

for any number of different things. Could this heat be the equivalent

opening up of your heart? Are you smiling while you are doing this? have you

felt like smiling and totally relaxing and observing the heart building?

 

K

 

J: Assuming that we are chatting with insight meditator hats on?

>W: Forgive me if this is an intrusion on the conversation, but your

> words here seem to answer a question I have had since early in my

> meditation practice when I discovered a kind of

> flashing/tingling/light/radiating energy sometimes located at the

> back of the neck or between the shoulder blades, sometimes the top of

> the head or even above the head.

 

J: Yes. Me too. Used to think it was just me who experienced this but I was

at a Vipassana retreat a few months ago and the nun was giving instructions

on walking meditation and she mentioned the sense of awareness being located

just as you describe. Another teacher mentioned this as a shift of

awareness out of the frontal lobs into global viewing.

 

 

J: Sensation/energy IS the awareness. So where awareness is focused, there

will be sensation, where sensation, there awareness. There can be energy

blocks, body is really layers of mind. If you are aware of a strong

sensation, then this would be your object of primary noting. You know, first

the sensation of rising/falling and mind stays here but if something very

strong arose then this becomes primary object of noting. You would place

attention in this energy with jhana/concentration which is to cover,

penetrate deeply, this object until it dissolved and with the only aim of

seeing into the impermanent, suffering and non-self nature (which are not

separate events). Then, something else may arise such as perhaps the

sensation of fear, liking, disliking or joy, or release or whatever and then

this would be primary object to be covered, penetrated into until it

dissolves and return to rising falling sensation. There is a process of

dis-identification, deconstruction of the I and body that is

habituated/conditioned to own phenomena which causes suffering. Awareness

will begin to have a global feeling and there will be a shift in

perspective. That's a bit general. Try experimenting with awareness

extending 360 degrees all around you, tune into sensation, stay with it and

then if you go blank, use this as object of awareness. Be aware of the

in-breath and out-breath filling space 360 degrees all around.

 

One also tunes into the type of mind doing the practice. Is it a mind of

desire, a mind of aversion, or whatever.

 

 

J

 

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