Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 I had a tangled up energy problem at my throat for over a year and anything I tried just amplified it, but resently I found a way to disolve it. What happened a friend mentioned a sensation around the medula oblangata during sadhana, or channeling what lead me to these pointers and the chaos, pressure and pain at my neck caused by the upward Kundalini force clashing there with the downward god-Tumo used in Jnana and Surat Shabda Yoga meditation dissolved "During my insight meditation practice I discovered a kind of flashing tingling light radiating energy sometimes located at the back of the neck or between the shoulder blades, sometimes the top of the head or even above the head. I used to think it was just me who experienced this but I was at a Vipassana retreat a few months ago and the nun was giving instructions on walking meditation and she mentioned the sense of awareness being located just as you describe. Another teacher mentioned this as a shift of awareness out of the frontal lobs into global viewing. I found that this energy would either pulse up or down or kind of stay in one place as if fed from behind the area instead of above or below, depending on my will; I can make it happen when I desire, and I can choose which direction it goes, but I did not know and still do not know whether it was correct or incorrect to manipulate the energy in one direction or the other, and also I have noticed the energy really does not want to go any lower than between my shoulder blades. " Surat, the sensation energy is the awareness. So where awareness is focused, there will be sensation, where sensation is, there is awareness. There can be energy blocks, body is really layers of mind. There are yogis who get their energy in a knot and then have to it sort it out If you are aware of a strong sensation, then this would be noticed, first the sensation of rising than falling and mind stays here, but if something very strong arose then this becomes primary object one could place attention in this energy with mindful concentration which is to cover, penetrate deeply until it dissolved and with the aim of seeing into the impermanent nature of it then, something else may arise liking, disliking, or release and then this would be penetrated with mindfulness until it dissolves and return to rising falling sensation. There is a process of disidentification, deconstruction of the I and body that is habituated conditioned to own phenomena which can cause suffering Awareness will begin to have a global feeling and there will be a shift in perspective. That's a bit general. Experimenting with awareness extending 360 degrees all around one, tuning into sensation, staying with it and then if you go blank, use this as object of awareness. Be aware of the in-breath and out- breath filling space 360 degrees all around. ----- lesson for me was one can not mix the two energies: the Kundalini force had to ground first If someone has input on this I would appreciate it Era ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ By being clear about confusion, you become clear of confusion. **Nisargadatta http://santmat-meditation.net/yoga/realization.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 Suggestion. Practice only one discipline at a time. Don't mix modalities. This produces exactly the kinds of problems you describe. Further the resistences set up can cause damage to the myelin sheath on the central nervous system and produce all kinds of nasty physical effects including spinal misalignments in which the spine will not hold erect posture. Mixing modalities can also cause all kinds of nervous disorders. You are very fortunate to not have worse problems. Each of the disciplines you have described have their own completions, including preparing the system to receive the higher levels of energy and as you have experienced one set of movements sees another as a problem and therefore are seeking to reset the "system" to its own proper balance. In addition, Shabda Yoga in particular draws of "god-forms" which are actually "spirit entities" and they can create mischief on their own. If you are going to do the Shabda Yoga practice do it on its own without any other methods involved. Vipassana Meditation in its advanced stages affects our sense of time and to have other energies moving at the same time creates confusion which can interfere with our biological clocks. Vipassana practice is best practiced also without interference from other disciplines. In fact, Vipassana in advanced stages is recommended for retreat only with an experienced and mature retreat director. Finally if you are working with Jnana Yoga, there is no technique to be used at all. See the writings of Papaji Poonja, THIS IS TRUTH. It appears you are working with Buddhist techniques, Hindu techniques, and Sikh techniques. Different cultures, different Yogas, and a host of potential problems. Pick one and mature in that one. Each one is worth a lifetime of practice and study. Spiritual discipline is not a "fast food restarant", eating such energies is guaranteed to give you indigestion and no progress that is valuable. There is much to be undone to recover. Please before you practice anymore, seek some counseling on your purposes and goals. Why are you in such a hurry? Eternity is Now. There is plenty of time. It will be well to follow Papaji's direction - "Be quiet." Some seekers get trapped in a sea of words, others get trapped in a storm of energies, most get trapped in a swarm of materialism and false spirituality, and all of them lose the value of being human, which is fairly rare in the Brahma-Loka. All that complexity is unnecessary. Blessings, John L. , "Era" <satkarta7@j...> wrote: > I had a tangled up energy problem at my throat for over a year and [snip] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 , "John Logan" <johnrloganis> wrote: > Suggestion. > Practice only one discipline at a time. Don't mix modalities. This > produces exactly the kinds of problems you describe. Further the > resistences set up can cause damage to the myelin sheath on the > central nervous system and produce all kinds of nasty physical > effects including spinal misalignments in which the spine will not > hold erect posture. Mixing modalities can also cause all kinds of > nervous disorders. > > You are very fortunate to not have worse problems. Each of the > disciplines you have described have their own completions, including > preparing the system to receive the higher levels of energy and as > you have experienced one set of movements sees another as a problem > and therefore are seeking to reset the "system" to its own proper > balance. > > In addition, Shabda Yoga in particular draws of "god-forms" which are > actually "spirit entities" and they can create mischief on their own. > If you are going to do the Shabda Yoga practice do it on its own > without any other methods involved. > > Vipassana Meditation in its advanced stages affects our sense of time > and to have other energies moving at the same time creates confusion > which can interfere with our biological clocks. Vipassana practice is > best practiced also without interference from other disciplines. In > fact, Vipassana in advanced stages is recommended for retreat only > with an experienced and mature retreat director. > > Finally if you are working with Jnana Yoga, there is no technique to > be used at all. See the writings of Papaji Poonja, THIS IS TRUTH. > > It appears you are working with Buddhist techniques, Hindu > techniques, and Sikh techniques. Different cultures, different Yogas, > and a host of potential problems. Pick one and mature in that one. > Each one is worth a lifetime of practice and study. > > Spiritual discipline is not a "fast food restarant", eating such > energies is guaranteed to give you indigestion and no progress that > is valuable. There is much to be undone to recover. > > Please before you practice anymore, seek some counseling on your > purposes and goals. Why are you in such a hurry? > > Eternity is Now. There is plenty of time. It will be well to follow > Papaji's direction - "Be quiet." > > Some seekers get trapped in a sea of words, others get trapped in a > storm of energies, most get trapped in a swarm of materialism and > false spirituality, and all of them lose the value of being human, > which is fairly rare in the Brahma-Loka. > > All that complexity is unnecessary. > > Blessings, > John L. thank you John for your insightful and knowlegable input yes, I am in the mids of change thanks again, Era > , "Era" <satkarta7@j...> wrote: > > I had a tangled up energy problem at my throat for over a year and > [snip] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 , "John Logan" <johnrloganis> wrote: John, this is really good. I don't think I have seen a lot on this topic of keeping with one modality. I think Patanjali reccommends it but I dont remember the sutra. This seems a valuable reason to have knowledge about the different sources for options that are available to people. That is, you can describe the problems and contradictions one might encounter by mixing if you have knowledge of a lot of them the way you and Karta do. Even though it is a difficult topic you did a masterful job of pointing the way. Love Bobby G. > Suggestion. > Practice only one discipline at a time. Don't mix modalities. This > produces exactly the kinds of problems you describe. Further the > resistences set up can cause damage to the myelin sheath on the > central nervous system and produce all kinds of nasty physical > effects including spinal misalignments in which the spine will not > hold erect posture. Mixing modalities can also cause all kinds of > nervous disorders. > > You are very fortunate to not have worse problems. Each of the > disciplines you have described have their own completions, including > preparing the system to receive the higher levels of energy and as > you have experienced one set of movements sees another as a problem > and therefore are seeking to reset the "system" to its own proper > balance. > > In addition, Shabda Yoga in particular draws of "god-forms" which are > actually "spirit entities" and they can create mischief on their own. > If you are going to do the Shabda Yoga practice do it on its own > without any other methods involved. > > Vipassana Meditation in its advanced stages affects our sense of time > and to have other energies moving at the same time creates confusion > which can interfere with our biological clocks. Vipassana practice is > best practiced also without interference from other disciplines. In > fact, Vipassana in advanced stages is recommended for retreat only > with an experienced and mature retreat director. > > Finally if you are working with Jnana Yoga, there is no technique to > be used at all. See the writings of Papaji Poonja, THIS IS TRUTH. > > It appears you are working with Buddhist techniques, Hindu > techniques, and Sikh techniques. Different cultures, different Yogas, > and a host of potential problems. Pick one and mature in that one. > Each one is worth a lifetime of practice and study. > > Spiritual discipline is not a "fast food restarant", eating such > energies is guaranteed to give you indigestion and no progress that > is valuable. There is much to be undone to recover. > > Please before you practice anymore, seek some counseling on your > purposes and goals. Why are you in such a hurry? > > Eternity is Now. There is plenty of time. It will be well to follow > Papaji's direction - "Be quiet." > > Some seekers get trapped in a sea of words, others get trapped in a > storm of energies, most get trapped in a swarm of materialism and > false spirituality, and all of them lose the value of being human, > which is fairly rare in the Brahma-Loka. > > All that complexity is unnecessary. > > Blessings, > John L. > , "Era" <satkarta7@j...> wrote: > > I had a tangled up energy problem at my throat for over a year and > [snip] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 hello, > John, this is really good. I don't think I have seen a lot on this > topic of keeping with one modality. I think Patanjali recommends it > but I don't remember the sutra. > > This seems a valuable reason to have knowledge about the different > sources for options that are available to people. That is, you can > describe the problems and contradictions one might encounter by > mixing if you have knowledge of a lot of them the way you and Karta > do. > > Even though it is a difficult topic you did a masterful job of > pointing the way. I am glad that thes points were made and got a intelligent response from John > > Love > Bobby G. > > > > Suggestion. > > Practice only one discipline at a time. Don't mix modalities. This > > produces exactly the kinds of problems you describe. Further the > > resistences set up can cause damage to the myelin sheath on the > > central nervous system and produce all kinds of nasty physical > > effects including spinal misalignments in which the spine will not > > hold erect posture. Mixing modalities can also cause all kinds of > > nervous disorders. > > > > You are very fortunate to not have worse problems. Each of the > > disciplines you have described have their own completions, > including > > preparing the system to receive the higher levels of energy and as > > you have experienced one set of movements sees another as a problem > > and therefore are seeking to reset the "system" to its own proper > > balance. > > > > In addition, Shabda Yoga in particular draws of "god-forms" which > are > > actually "spirit entities" and they can create mischief on their > own. not exactly; not to channel the names of the ruler entities of the five planes are used as a mantra bedside to stop the mind-chatter is to ask permission to enter a plane and for protection to pass through meditators without ethics fall prey here, you said their are mischievous spirits in the inner planes: THESE ARE TESTS not to allow further uplift for the ones without ethics who indulge in these exhaled states not to mention that they prematurely come out and claim enlightenment after these glimpses its pathetic emphasis is stressed NOT TO PAY ATTENTION to the inner vistas exhalted states etc I was always very very vocal about this point, because no matter how holy any experience are at the planes below the Sat Nam, the first god-plane is from the mind ITS NOT REAL !!! its a trap and into the god planes one leaves the mind behind > > If you are going to do the Shabda Yoga practice do it on its own > > without any other methods involved. > > > > Vipassana Meditation in its advanced stages affects our sense of > time > > and to have other energies moving at the same time creates > confusion > > which can interfere with our biological clocks. Vipassana practice > is > > best practiced also without interference from other disciplines. In > > fact, Vipassana in advanced stages is recommended for retreat only > > with an experienced and mature retreat director. yes, I am interested to develop sustained concentration: what IS needed in advanced meditations > > Finally if you are working with Jnana Yoga, there is no technique > to > > be used at all. See the writings of Papaji Poonja, THIS IS TRUTH. > > It appears you are working with Buddhist techniques, Hindu > > techniques, and Sikh techniques. Different cultures, different > Yogas, > > and a host of potential problems. Pick one and mature in that one. jnana choose me not the other way around the transistion with energy voltage I am working with is overwhelming but I am good hands > > Each one is worth a lifetime of practice and study. > > > > Spiritual discipline is not a "fast food restarant", eating such > > energies is guaranteed to give you indigestion and no progress that > > is valuable. There is much to be undone to recover. > > > > Please before you practice anymore, seek some counseling on your > > purposes and goals. Why are you in such a hurry? I haven't found anybody yet who is qualified to discuss spiritual emergence with some knowlege of an advanced 'spiritual" side of it I know about the psych group involved with Kundalini emergence in an Francisco, they not are up on the spiritual side of the event where I am at I know of only one other mystic online in the usual club circles he did understand me and posted great pointers for me, since to understand one it takes one on the otoh the misunderstandings are ramped online and than the trump on top of of the misunderstanding by people who don't know, who do not practice just post oh! > > > > Eternity is Now. yes, I am a Tolle fan also > There is plenty of time. It will be well to follow > > Papaji's direction - "Be quiet." good advise, but I still think that for my soul-baring online maybe was useful -and the beatigs misundertsandings I suffered were not in vain > > Some seekers get trapped in a sea of words, others get trapped in a > > storm of energies, most get trapped in a swarm of materialism and > > false spirituality, and all of them lose the value of being human, very true > > which is fairly rare in the Brahma-Loka. > > > > All that complexity is unnecessary. > > > > Blessings, > > John L. thanks for both of you, love, Era "Era" <satkarta7@j...> wrote: > > > I had a tangled up energy problem at my throat for over a year > and > > [snip] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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