Guest guest Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 ~ Our Carlottian Household Nondual Deity Melody <melody (AT) xxxxxxxxx (DOT) xxxx Thu Jun 3, 1999 8:36 am Digest #1 >From the NondualitySalon June 2, 1999: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Envision the set of all existing things.Outside that set by definition nothing exists.Atma is not anything in that set.Atma is not the set as a whole.Atma is the quality of existence which defines the set.In other words,Atma does not exist,"Atma" is "existence".andrew~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Harsha:What are the great Sages such as Ramanaindicating? They say feel your existence,feel the I AM. It is Simple. That isthe tip of the iceberg. The tip of the iceberg is Realitymanifesting as conditionedExistence. Even if we hold on to just the conditioned Existence, withoutany other practice, that isenough. At some point when the conditions drop,even if for an instant, Existence Feels It Self in Fullness. It RecognizesIT Self without the mediumof body/mind as Eternal Perfection. So those whoRealize are content and at peace with theirknowledge and their ignorance having gone beyondboth to the Original Nature, call it Buddha Nature,call it Sat-Chit-Ananda, call it what you wish.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~What I was trying to ask was...is thisall there is to his 'event', which wassufficient to shift his "locus of doership"from the individual to the whole? In otherwords is that all there is to Realization?I think not.I would have described an event very muchlike he did, but I would not even beginto suggest that from that time foward Ino longer saw my self as separate.Rather, for a few minutes here and theremy sense of separation falls away....andthen returns.Melody~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Here we go:I) hero, in Greek mythology, famous person worshipped after death asquasi-divine. Heroes might be actualgreat people, real or imaginary ancestors, or “faded” deities (ancient godsdemoted to human status).II) ego1. The self, especially as distinct from the world and other selves.2. a. An exaggerated sense of self-importance; conceit. b. Appropriatepride in oneself; self-esteem.Christ, depicted by the churches as the messiah tocome is such a hero of the ego; no fully realized human being can evermatch the picture of the "coming messiah".Avatars matching the expectations suggested by the deification of Rama andKrishna are heroes of theego; no fully realized human being will ever matchthe expectations of the "coming Kalki avatar".The maitreya is a hero of the ego; no fully realizedhuman being will ever fulfill all qualities and possess all supernaturalpowers required to be recognized as "maitreya".A hero of the ego is a fictive construction suggestinga "fix" for all human problems, somewhere in the future. There is no "fix"other than "realize now".Jan Read the entire first edition at - NDhighlights/message/1 LoveAlways, ~ Our Carlottive Household Nondual Deity Mazie & Buddhas Share holiday photos without swamping your Inbox. Get MSN Extra Storage now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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