Guest guest Posted December 15, 2003 Report Share Posted December 15, 2003 Dear Harshaji: You remain in my thoughts and prayers, as much as your father does, in different ways and for different reasons. I want to thank you for your honesty and courage in coming to the Sangha with your feelings and emotions surrounding this life experience. While you do not hold yourself out as such, there are those of us, myself included, who think of you as a teacher, as a Guru, if you will :-) For you to honestly express your feelings to us at this time only reinforces my faith and trust in you. You could just as easily have played the role and the game of "don't know...don't care," but you did not. Today is a strange combination of thoughts for me as December 15 was my father's birthdate. So I think of Tonyji and his Irish saying...that we cry when a child is born and laugh when a person dies. Truth is...nothing could be further FROM the truth in reality. But then the question... for whom do we cry and for whom do we laugh? And...who is crying...who is laughing? I remember when my Dad was passing and near his time. At the hospice where he was blessed to pass, the nurse there pointed out to all of us how important it was for us to give him permission to go. Many people hold on, not for themselves, but for those who will be left behind. They know, even when they are no longer visibly conscious, of the suffering and pain of their loved ones. So, for you and your Mom and your brother, you Dad will probably put up the good fight. In her book, On Death and Dying, Kubler-Ross spoke quite a bit about this. She made the same observations as the wisdom imparted to us by the woman who worked at the hospice, that we avoid death, not so much our own, as that of those whom we love and cherish. The greatest gift you can give him is to give him permission, from your heart to his, to surrender if that is what is asked. With love and respect, Joyce I am copying a bit of what I have written about my reading of Kubler-Ross, below, for what it is worth... ....THE CYCLE OF DEATH The cycle of death is made up of the five stages of grief explored by the remarkable Elisabeth Kubler-Ross, in her book On Death and Dying. I got the book after Mom died. I was so overwhelmed by her sudden death and by my feelings at her death. I was only 28 at the time and she was not supposed to die yet. Ms. Ross provided comfort and understanding to me at a most difficult stage in my life and I will always be grateful to her for her courage in exploring the grief surrounding death. Whether it is a loss of a loved one, a loss of a relationship, or a loss of the spirit, we go through life in and out of the stages of the cycle of death. First Stage: DENIAL...denial, at least partial denial, is used by almost all patients, not only during the first stages of illness or following confrontation, but also later on from time to time. Who was it who said, "we cannot look at the sun all the time, we cannot face death all the time?" Second Stage: ANGER...When the first stage of denial cannot be maintained any longer, it is replaced by feelings of anger, rage, envy, and resentment. We do not think of the reasons for the anger and take it personally, when it has originally nothing or little to do with the people who become the target of the anger." Third Stage: BARGAINING...The third stage, the stage of bargaining, is less well known but equally helpful to the patient, though only for brief periods of time. If we have been unable to face the sad facts in the first period and have been angry with people and God in the second phase, maybe we can succeed in entering in some sort of an agreement which may postpone the inevitable happening: "If God has decided to take us from this earth and he did not respond to my angry pleas, he may be more favorable if I ask nicely." Fourth Stage: DEPRESSION...His numbness or stoicism, his anger and rage will soon be replaced with a sense of great loss...The second type of depression is one which does not occur as a result of a past loss but is taking into account impending losses...All these reasons for depressions are well known to everybody who deals with patients. If I were to attempt to differentiate these two kinds of depressions, I would regard the first one as a reactive depression, the second one a preparatory depression. Fifth Stage: ACCEPTANCE...Acceptance should not be mistaken for a happy stage. It is almost void of feelings. It is as if the pain has gone, the struggle is over, and there comes a time for "the final rest before the long journey" as one patient phrased it. Elisabeth Kubler-Ross. MD from On Death and Dying These stages of death and dying don’t always follow the same designated pathway. They are not limited to death of the body. They are very much a part of the soul and the heart. In fact, you can go back and forth between stages, catapulted through them by your own confusion. You can be in denial, then in depression, then in anger and back to depression, you can try to bargain, then you give up and go back to anger, then to depression, and so on and so on and so on. The cycle is one which never ends... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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