Guest guest Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 bhakti is pure love, love free of lust, love free of jealousy, love free of all desires. in fact bhakti is the true love, love we all are wishing for, looking for. no wordly love can ever come near to it. as it is said in narada bhakti sutras-- bhakti is itself the fruit of spiritual practice. on achieving this fruit nothing else is needed.as the saadhak is fully satisfied on getting this now to understand bhakti one should be able to differentiate between wordly love and divine love.the wordly love is based on desire(kama). in one or other way to have some sensual pleasure or is related with some self-interests, expectations from the partner. these expectations are the root cause of dukha(grief). one expectation not being fulfilled & sadness prevails. more are the expectations, more grief is there.it's just like you jump from 10ft. you get some wounds but when you jump from 50ft. you may have fracture or even death. bhakti is beyond all these feelings. bhakti is desireless without any self interest. a bhakta ignores sensual pleasure(nirodha).all this can be understood by a simple example-- take the case of a guy and a girl in love with each other. another girl offers herself to the guy. now if the guy is in true love with her girlfriend, he will reject the offer. he will just wish to be with her girlfriend. in the same way a bhakta who is in love with the divine will spontaneously reject every sensual pleasure as he would just wish to be absorbed in Him all the time. any type of sensual pleasure is just a disturbance for him.this is how the concept of sanyam(control) is there. like a guy controls his desires just for the sake of love with his girlfriend, bhakta controls all his desires for the sake of his Love. every sensual pleasure, every self-interest, every desire is just a disturbance. as narada says-- According to Narad ji, being absorbed in That with good intentions, and becoming anxious when That is forgotten, is bhakti. bhakta can bear any type of hardships but forgetting his Beloved is simply unbearable.he just wants to be absorbed in Him all the time, doing everything just for Him(offering fruits of everything he does to his Beloved). love, gautam. New Photos - easier uploading and sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Gautam, As you quoted, > bhakti is pure love, love free of lust, love free of jealousy, love free of all desires. > in fact bhakti is the true love, love we all are wishing for, looking for. > bhakti is itself the fruit of spiritual practice. > on achieving this fruit nothing else is needed.as the saadhak is fully satisfied on getting this. My understanding is that, for such bhakti to be present, the misunderstanding that one is just one among the five billion of the world's population has to go. The claim that the ego or the non self is making that I am it (the ego) has to go. This is covering the reality that I am really the Universal Consciousness (UC). Since any spiritual practice is performed by the non self or the ego, the non self's presence is inherently assumed. This makes any practice to be fundamentally flawed. There has to be the death of the ego. If self enquiry is conducted, it is said that, the ego is searched & it is no where to be found. The UC makes the ego to investigate. It is the UC that concludes that there is no ego. The UC controls everything. Everything happens as per the UC. sundar , Gautam Madan <dr_gmadan> wrote: > bhakti -- the transcendental love . > bhakti is pure love, love free of lust, love free of jealousy, love free of all desires. > in fact bhakti is the true love, love we all are wishing for, looking for. > no wordly love can ever come near to it. > as it is said in narada bhakti sutras-- > bhakti is itself the fruit of spiritual practice. > on achieving this fruit nothing else is needed.as the saadhak is fully satisfied on getting this > > now to understand bhakti one should be able to differentiate between wordly love and divine love.the wordly love is based on desire (kama). in one or other way to have some sensual pleasure or is related with some self-interests, expectations from the partner. these expectations are the root cause of dukha(grief). one expectation not being fulfilled & sadness prevails. more are the expectations, more grief is there.it's just like you jump from 10ft. you get some wounds but when you jump from 50ft. you may have fracture or even death. > bhakti is beyond all these feelings. bhakti is desireless without any self interest. a bhakta ignores sensual pleasure(nirodha).all this can be understood by a simple example-- > take the case of a guy and a girl in love with each other. another girl offers herself to the guy. now if the guy is in true love with her girlfriend, he will reject the offer. he will just wish to be with her girlfriend. > in the same way a bhakta who is in love with the divine will spontaneously reject every sensual pleasure as he would just wish to be absorbed in Him all the time. any type of sensual pleasure is just a disturbance for him.this is how the concept of sanyam(control) is there. like a guy controls his desires just for the sake of love with his girlfriend, bhakta controls all his desires for the sake of his Love. every sensual pleasure, every self- interest, every desire is just a disturbance. > as narada says-- > According to Narad ji, being absorbed in That with good intentions, and becoming anxious when That is forgotten, is bhakti. > bhakta can bear any type of hardships but forgetting his Beloved is simply unbearable.he just wants to be absorbed in Him all the time, doing everything just for Him(offering fruits of everything he does to his Beloved). > love, > gautam. > > > > > > New Photos - easier uploading and sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Dear Sunda The death of the Ego is cannot be aimed at, wished for. It is a process, a natural process of becoming again the Self (UC) Without it real love is not possible. Better not believe Ego is an enemy! The same is with sexuality and lust. Making them the bad guys is a terrible trap. They all have to be transcended. Slowly but surely. And this takes "time", needs "development" If understood properly lust is joy of being. All the best Michael of Tuscany >"sundar22ca" > >To: > Re: bhakti >Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:27:48 -0000 > >Gautam, > >As you quoted, > > bhakti is pure love, love free of lust, love free of jealousy, >love free of all desires. > > in fact bhakti is the true love, love we all are wishing for, >looking for. > > bhakti is itself the fruit of spiritual practice. > > on achieving this fruit nothing else is needed.as the saadhak is >fully satisfied on getting this. > >My understanding is that, for such bhakti to be present, the >misunderstanding that one is just one among the five billion of the >world's population has to go. > >The claim that the ego or the non self is making that I am it (the >ego) has to go. This is covering the reality that I am really the >Universal Consciousness (UC). > >Since any spiritual practice is performed by the non self or the ego, >the non self's presence is inherently assumed. This makes any >practice to be fundamentally flawed. > >There has to be the death of the ego. If self enquiry is conducted, >it is said that, the ego is searched & it is no where to be found. > >The UC makes the ego to investigate. It is the UC that concludes that >there is no ego. The UC controls everything. Everything happens as >per the UC. >sundar > >, Gautam Madan >wrote: > > bhakti -- the transcendental love . > > bhakti is pure love, love free of lust, love free of jealousy, >love free of all desires. > > in fact bhakti is the true love, love we all are wishing for, >looking for. > > no wordly love can ever come near to it. > > as it is said in narada bhakti sutras-- > > bhakti is itself the fruit of spiritual practice. > > on achieving this fruit nothing else is needed.as the saadhak is >fully satisfied on getting this > > > > now to understand bhakti one should be able to differentiate >between wordly love and divine love.the wordly love is based on desire >(kama). in one or other way to have some sensual pleasure or is >related with some self-interests, expectations from the partner. >these expectations are the root cause of dukha(grief). one >expectation not being fulfilled & sadness prevails. more are the >expectations, more grief is there.it's just like you jump from 10ft. >you get some wounds but when you jump from 50ft. you may have >fracture or even death. > > bhakti is beyond all these feelings. bhakti is desireless without >any self interest. a bhakta ignores sensual pleasure(nirodha).all >this can be understood by a simple example-- > > take the case of a guy and a girl in love with each >other. another girl offers herself to the guy. now if the guy is in >true love with her girlfriend, he will reject the offer. he will just >wish to be with her girlfriend. > > in the same way a bhakta who is in love with the >divine will spontaneously reject every sensual pleasure as he would >just wish to be absorbed in Him all the time. any type of sensual >pleasure is just a disturbance for him.this is how the concept of >sanyam(control) is there. like a guy controls his desires just for >the sake of love with his girlfriend, bhakta controls all his desires >for the sake of his Love. every sensual pleasure, every self- >interest, every desire is just a disturbance. > > as narada says-- > > According to Narad ji, being absorbed in That with good >intentions, and becoming anxious when That is forgotten, is bhakti. > > bhakta can bear any type of hardships but forgetting his Beloved is >simply unbearable.he just wants to be absorbed in Him all the time, >doing everything just for Him(offering fruits of everything he does >to his Beloved). > > love, > > gautam. > > > > > > > > > > > > New Photos - easier uploading and sharing > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 Michael Said Dear Sunda The death of the Ego is cannot be aimed at, wished for. It is a process, a natural process of becoming again the Self (UC) Without it real love is not possible. Chris writes. Im just back from India attending a Ramesh Balsekar (the Advaita Sage) seminar and what he said on the subject is. The ego is an instrument used by God to create the illusion of seperateness so that this world of duality can function through personal relationships. He also said that the ego is Divine hypnosis and if your body mind organisim is programmed for enlightenment it will happen it is your destiny. Only God the creator of the ego can disolve the ego. The Main part of his teachings are> The teaching was very explicet no room for manouver. There is only Consciousness ie God You are not the doer Everything is according to the will of God /Cosmic law, your destiny. As you are not the doer you are not guilty of any act neither is anyone else. You must act as though you have free will but in reality your DNA genes and up todate conditioning determines what choices you make. That about sums it up. Rameshes favourite guru is Ramana. Regards to all Chris Hughes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Dear Chris, tku for your information. What you told me is "more and less" the same as my conclusion. But with a notable difference real love for the ONEANDONLY leads you to realize that continuing living according to the EGO hurts and stands in the way of loving GD and thru this "realization" giving up EGO becomes naturally. For this moment on it is like you told me. Everything is GDS intention everything is up to us on the dual plane realizing that this is "illusion" but a very very solid one LOL is the step to NONDUALITY b u t talking writing etc about this is not it I have to live accordingly every moment...... Ramana Maharshi is the guiding light the tower of light in my life He realized the connection between Advaita and Judaism - I AM WHO I AM the most significant name of the LORD in Judaism of course only for those who dig deep enough for truth was for Ramana the core of everything And something else I want to share with you being a "human being" realizing NonDuality I had to accept the fact that "birth and death" do not exist a n d that everyday life with all its "problems" is a) mirror of that what I have to understand and to live accordingly b) at the same time a dream-state ("good dream" "bad dream") c) and I have to choose from moment to moment how to proceed knowing and accepting inside that the BELOVED ONE is in charge complete and not "i" tku for your time would like to hear from you and your experiences in India michael bindel >"AnneChris" > > >Re: Re: bhakti >Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:26:16 -0000 > > > > Michael Said > > Dear Sunda > > The death of the Ego is cannot be aimed at, wished for. > It is a process, a natural process of becoming again the Self (UC) > Without it real love is not possible. > > Chris writes. > Im just back from India attending a Ramesh Balsekar (the Advaita Sage) seminar and what he said on the subject is. > The ego is an instrument used by God to create the illusion of seperateness so that this world of duality can function through personal relationships. He also said that the ego is Divine hypnosis and if your body mind organisim is programmed for enlightenment it will happen it is your destiny. Only God the creator of the ego can disolve the ego. > The Main part of his teachings are> > > The teaching was very explicet no room for manouver. > There is only Consciousness ie God > You are not the doer > Everything is according to the will of God /Cosmic law, your destiny. > As you are not the doer you are not guilty of any act neither is anyone else. > You must act as though you have free will but in reality your DNA genes and up todate conditioning determines what choices you make. > That about sums it up. > Rameshes favourite guru is Ramana. > > Regards to all > Chris Hughes Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Chris, How is it that Ramesh, who considers Ramana as his favourite guru, is not recommending Self Enquiry or some such method for ego dissolution? Instead, Ramesh seems to be leaving it destiny & to God who created the ego? Also, does he mean that the world can not function without the ego? sundar , "AnneChris" <am009a8716@b...> wrote: > > > Michael Said > > Dear Sunda > > The death of the Ego is cannot be aimed at, wished for. > It is a process, a natural process of becoming again the Self (UC) > Without it real love is not possible. > > Chris writes. > Im just back from India attending a Ramesh Balsekar (the Advaita Sage) seminar and what he said on the subject is. > The ego is an instrument used by God to create the illusion of seperateness so that this world of duality can function through personal relationships. He also said that the ego is Divine hypnosis and if your body mind organisim is programmed for enlightenment it will happen it is your destiny. Only God the creator of the ego can disolve the ego. > The Main part of his teachings are> > > The teaching was very explicet no room for manouver. > There is only Consciousness ie God > You are not the doer > Everything is according to the will of God /Cosmic law, your destiny. > As you are not the doer you are not guilty of any act neither is anyone else. > You must act as though you have free will but in reality your DNA genes and up todate conditioning determines what choices you make. > That about sums it up. > Rameshes favourite guru is Ramana. > > Regards to all > Chris Hughes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Yes, I have heard from many that Ramesh's favorite Guru is Ramana and that he has Sri Ramana's picture hanging on the wall. What does he think about his own Guru, Nisargadatta? Has N now become second favorite and recedes as years go by? Please, let us know Chris. Fortunately, we have Sri Ramana's crystal clear teachings available to us. The True Guru is always the Heart, the Self. The True Teaching is transmitted in Silence and is the eloquent Silence that is beyond all teachings and teachers. Love to all Harsha , "AnneChris" <am009a8716@b...> wrote: > Chris writes. > Im just back from India attending a Ramesh Balsekar (the Advaita Sage) seminar and what he said on the subject is. > The ego is an instrument used by God to create the illusion of seperateness so that this world of duality can function through personal relationships. He also said that the ego is Divine hypnosis and if your body mind organisim is programmed for enlightenment it will happen it is your destiny. Only God the creator of the ego can disolve the ego. > The Main part of his teachings are> > > The teaching was very explicet no room for manouver. > There is only Consciousness ie God > You are not the doer > Everything is according to the will of God /Cosmic law, your destiny. > As you are not the doer you are not guilty of any act neither is anyone else. > You must act as though you have free will but in reality your DNA genes and up todate conditioning determines what choices you make. > That about sums it up. > Rameshes favourite guru is Ramana. > > Regards to all > Chris Hughes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Dear Harsha thank you for your words - they might have come direct from "my" heart LOL to read the crystalclear messages of Ramana are light in darkness lots of love and tku for your work for us all with deep respect Michael Bindel >"harshaimtm" > >To: > Re: bhakti >Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:45:51 -0000 > >Yes, I have heard from many that Ramesh's favorite Guru is Ramana and >that he has Sri Ramana's picture hanging on the wall. > >What does he think about his own Guru, Nisargadatta? Has N now become >second favorite and recedes as years go by? Please, let us know >Chris. > >Fortunately, we have Sri Ramana's crystal clear teachings available >to us. The True Guru is always the Heart, the Self. > >The True Teaching is transmitted in Silence and is the eloquent >Silence that is beyond all teachings and teachers. > >Love to all >Harsha > > > >--- In , "AnneChris" >wrote: > > Chris writes. > > Im just back from India attending a Ramesh Balsekar (the Advaita >Sage) seminar and what he said on the subject is. > > The ego is an instrument used by God to create the illusion of >seperateness so that this world of duality can function through >personal relationships. He also said that the ego is Divine hypnosis >and if your body mind organisim is programmed for enlightenment it >will happen it is your destiny. Only God the creator of the ego can >disolve the ego. > > The Main part of his teachings are> > > > > The teaching was very explicet no room for manouver. > > There is only Consciousness ie God > > You are not the doer > > Everything is according to the will of God /Cosmic law, your >destiny. > > As you are not the doer you are not guilty of any act neither is >anyone else. > > You must act as though you have free will but in reality your DNA >genes and up todate conditioning determines what choices you make. > > That about sums it up. > > Rameshes favourite guru is Ramana. > > > > Regards to all > > Chris Hughes > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Harsha has said Yes, I have heard from many that Ramesh's favorite Guru is Ramana and that he has Sri Ramana's picture hanging on the wall. Each time before commencing the teaching for the day Ramesh would namaste to Ramana's picture What does he think about his own Guru, Nisargadatta? He has great fondness for N. but he had some temper and Ramesh is a gentle soul. Has N now become second favorite and recedes as years go by? Please, let us know. Im not sure that I would say that but Ramesh considers Ramana to be the ultimate guru Sundar saidChris,How is it that Ramesh, who considers Ramana as his favorite guru, is not recommending Self Enquiry or some such method for ego dissolution? Not exactly so, Ramesh recommends that you investigate one event of the day each night so as to see whether in fact you are the doer. You will find that nothing happens in isolation and that you could not have brought about the end result. It was Gods will Cosmic Law your destiny. Basically you are not the doer and as you come to know this at a deep level the ego first becomes frustrated as "Me" thought I was the doer this is followed by the weakening of the ego preparing the ground for the ultimate understanding, ie enlightenment which is the grace of God. Incidentally he says that Ramana said in Tamil Who am I but Ramesh feels that in fact it should have been translated as " Who is this me" a fictitious me Ramesh says that the common factor amongst sages is that they fully accept that they are not the doer. We expect wrongly that sages should be saints. No they are the great enjoyers, living life to the full in the moment, without guilt, judgment of self or others. Instead, Ramesh seems to be leaving it destiny & to God who created the ego? It may be your destiny/ Gods will to do self enquiryAlso, does he mean that the world can not function without the ego?sundar Chris replys The world of duality cannot function as we know it without the ego as it is needed for interpersonal relationships and for all opposites to occour ie war and peace. The sages ego is as the burnt rope it cannot harm anyone but the sage still responds to his name and still has preference but is not concerned if the "prefered choice" is not available. Ramesh has a favourite quote of the Buddah. "Events happen, deeds are done. There is no individual doer of any deed." He also quotes Ramana I am not exact in the quote but its near enough. The ultimate truth "There is no creation and no dissolution" In closing I only heard of Ramesh some three month ago so I dont claim to be an expert on the teachings. Ramesh states that what any sage has taught is a concept. ie some will believe in it some will not. The moment Truth is spoken of it is reduced to a concept So I hope I have not missunderstood the teachings and have relayed the essence of them reasonably accurately. With love and respect to all Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Yes Dear Harsha and all, The true guru is the "heart", is in the "heart", is all existence (SAT) hence, sat guru (sadguru). All existence (SAT) is "guru"--truly! Don't worry about who is the current guru of the new guru and the paraamparaam guru of the third guru. All the mutterings of the various "gurus" are good for something, No? Love, michael --- harshaimtm <harshaimtm wrote: > Yes, I have heard from many that Ramesh's favorite > Guru is Ramana and > that he has Sri Ramana's picture hanging on the > wall. > > What does he think about his own Guru, Nisargadatta? > Has N now become > second favorite and recedes as years go by? Please, > let us know > Chris. > > Fortunately, we have Sri Ramana's crystal clear > teachings available > to us. The True Guru is always the Heart, the Self. > > The True Teaching is transmitted in Silence and is > the eloquent > Silence that is beyond all teachings and teachers. > > Love to all > Harsha > > > > , "AnneChris" > <am009a8716@b...> > wrote: > > Chris writes. > > Im just back from India attending a Ramesh > Balsekar (the Advaita > Sage) seminar and what he said on the subject is. > > The ego is an instrument used by God to create > the illusion of > seperateness so that this world of duality can > function through > personal relationships. He also said that the ego is > Divine hypnosis > and if your body mind organisim is programmed for > enlightenment it > will happen it is your destiny. Only God the creator > of the ego can > disolve the ego. > > The Main part of his teachings are> > > > > The teaching was very explicet no room for > manouver. > > There is only Consciousness ie God > > You are not the doer > > Everything is according to the will of God > /Cosmic law, your > destiny. > > As you are not the doer you are not guilty of > any act neither is > anyone else. > > You must act as though you have free will but in > reality your DNA > genes and up todate conditioning determines what > choices you make. > > That about sums it up. > > Rameshes favourite guru is Ramana. > > > > Regards to all > > Chris Hughes > > New Photos - easier uploading and sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Dear Friends, The ONE and on(e)ly sadguru is without, and within, and all around at all times. It is not possible to be outside of the presence of the guru. We need not wonder or worry about "who" or "what" is the guru. SAT, existence (truth), is GURU. Love, michael --- AnneChris <am009a8716 wrote: > Harsha has said > > Yes, I have heard from many that Ramesh's favorite > Guru is Ramana and > that he has Sri Ramana's picture hanging on the > wall. > > Each time before commencing the teaching for the > day Ramesh would namaste to Ramana's picture > > What does he think about his own Guru, > Nisargadatta? > > He has great fondness for N. but he had some > temper and Ramesh is a gentle soul. > > Has N now become second favorite and recedes as > years go by? Please, let us know. > > Im not sure that I would say that but Ramesh > considers Ramana to be the ultimate guru > > Sundar said > Chris, > How is it that Ramesh, who considers Ramana as his > favorite guru, is not recommending Self Enquiry or > some such method for ego > dissolution? > > Not exactly so, Ramesh recommends that you > investigate one event of the day each night so as to > see whether in fact you are the doer. You will find > that nothing happens in isolation and that you could > not have brought about the end result. It was Gods > will Cosmic Law your destiny. > Basically you are not the doer and as you come to > know this at a deep level the ego first becomes > frustrated as "Me" thought I was the doer this is > followed by the weakening of the ego preparing the > ground for the ultimate understanding, ie > enlightenment which is the grace of God. > Incidentally he says that Ramana said in Tamil Who > am I but Ramesh feels that in fact it should have > been translated as " Who is this me" a fictitious > me > > Ramesh says that the common factor amongst sages > is that they fully accept that they are not the > doer. We expect wrongly that sages should be saints. > No they are the great enjoyers, living life to the > full in the moment, without guilt, judgment of self > or others. > > Instead, Ramesh seems to be leaving it destiny & > to God > who created the ego? It may be your destiny/ Gods > will to do self enquiry > Also, does he mean that the world can not function > without the ego? > sundar > > Chris replys > The world of duality cannot function as we know it > without the ego as it is needed for interpersonal > relationships and for all opposites to occour ie war > and peace. > The sages ego is as the burnt rope it cannot harm > anyone but the sage still responds to his name and > still has preference but is not concerned if the > "prefered choice" is not available. > > Ramesh has a favourite quote of the Buddah. > "Events happen, deeds are done. > There is no individual doer of any deed." > > He also quotes Ramana > I am not exact in the quote but its near enough. > The ultimate truth > "There is no creation and no dissolution" > > > In closing I only heard of Ramesh some three month > ago so I dont claim to be an expert on the > teachings. > > Ramesh states that what any sage has taught is a > concept. ie some will believe in it some will not. > The moment Truth is spoken of it is reduced to a > concept > > So I hope I have not missunderstood the teachings > and have relayed the essence of them reasonably > accurately. > With love and respect to all > Chris New Photos - easier uploading and sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Thanks Chris for your clarifications. I am happy you spent time with Ramesh. I hope to do that during my next India trip. sundar , "AnneChris" <am009a8716@b...> wrote: > Harsha has said > > Yes, I have heard from many that Ramesh's favorite Guru is Ramana and > that he has Sri Ramana's picture hanging on the wall. > > Each time before commencing the teaching for the day Ramesh would namaste to Ramana's picture > > What does he think about his own Guru, Nisargadatta? > > He has great fondness for N. but he had some temper and Ramesh is a gentle soul. > > Has N now become second favorite and recedes as years go by? Please, let us know. > > Im not sure that I would say that but Ramesh considers Ramana to be the ultimate guru > > Sundar said > Chris, > How is it that Ramesh, who considers Ramana as his favorite guru, is not recommending Self Enquiry or some such method for ego > dissolution? > > Not exactly so, Ramesh recommends that you investigate one event of the day each night so as to see whether in fact you are the doer. You will find that nothing happens in isolation and that you could not have brought about the end result. It was Gods will Cosmic Law your destiny. > Basically you are not the doer and as you come to know this at a deep level the ego first becomes frustrated as "Me" thought I was the doer this is followed by the weakening of the ego preparing the ground for the ultimate understanding, ie enlightenment which is the grace of God. > Incidentally he says that Ramana said in Tamil Who am I but Ramesh feels that in fact it should have been translated as " Who is this me" a fictitious me > > Ramesh says that the common factor amongst sages is that they fully accept that they are not the doer. We expect wrongly that sages should be saints. No they are the great enjoyers, living life to the full in the moment, without guilt, judgment of self or others. > > Instead, Ramesh seems to be leaving it destiny & to God > who created the ego? It may be your destiny/ Gods will to do self enquiry > Also, does he mean that the world can not function without the ego? > sundar > > Chris replys > The world of duality cannot function as we know it without the ego as it is needed for interpersonal relationships and for all opposites to occour ie war and peace. > The sages ego is as the burnt rope it cannot harm anyone but the sage still responds to his name and still has preference but is not concerned if the "prefered choice" is not available. > > Ramesh has a favourite quote of the Buddah. > "Events happen, deeds are done. > There is no individual doer of any deed." > > He also quotes Ramana > I am not exact in the quote but its near enough. > The ultimate truth > "There is no creation and no dissolution" > > > In closing I only heard of Ramesh some three month ago so I dont claim to be an expert on the teachings. > > Ramesh states that what any sage has taught is a concept. ie some will believe in it some will not. The moment Truth is spoken of it is reduced to a concept > > So I hope I have not missunderstood the teachings and have relayed the essence of them reasonably accurately. > With love and respect to all > Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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