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, "Tony OClery"

<aoclery> wrote:

[> Namaste,

>

> Love is not pollyanna feelings of emotion of

attachment.

> It is not enjoying the K energy or anything like

that.

> If you could see someone with an abscess and you

could burst and

> suck out the poison to relieve that person's pain.

Without any

> pollyanna do gooder emotion--------that is love.]

 

***Tony, giving proper medical attention is called for

in that situation. There is no clear reason to equate

sucking abscess with love, although I suppose one

could make an argument for it in some specific

situation on a deserted island****

 

 

Tony you further stated:

[i actually read a

> story of Ammachi doing this in front of horrified

disgusted

> devotees. She said they were too pampered and didn't

really

> understand the poor and sick etc. Sending someone

nice letters and

> poems is all very nice put picking somebody of the

street and

> clothing them or feeding them is better-----it is

action. As Jesus

> would say in the Beatitudes..........ONS....Tony.]

 

 

***Tony, feeding the poor, helping the suffering, is

all good. Action can be informed by Love, but Love is

not proven by action. We can look to the saints to see

how they acted. But it is all comparison shopping.

 

There is no point in imitating anyone. This is why the

Lord said to Moses, "I am That I am". He could have

said, "I am like this guy or that gal, or I am like

the sky or the ocean, etc. But He said, I am That I

am." Sri Ramana has told us to meditate on that

essential nature of the feeling, "I AM" behind the

personality.

 

***Love is not proven by action. Love Is Being.***

 

Harsha

 

 

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Dear Harsha,

a big inner smile went through the body.........

how good it is to hear your words about LOVE

yes Sir thats how I experience LOVE and everytime I fell out my Self

trying to "be" something instead of "just being" I hurt myself feel

it instantly have to take a lot of breathing to find "myself" again

to love myself again and then everything is fine.....

and...... being like this there is peace around me......

solong namaste peace love and everything fine for you

michael when I write my name in this way then its michael bindel

>Harsha

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> What is

Love? >Sun, 4 Jan 2004 11:39:48 -0800 (PST) > >--- In

, "Tony OClery" > wrote: >[> Namaste, >

> > > Love is not pollyanna feelings of emotion of >attachment. > > It

is not enjoying the K energy or anything like >that. > > If you could

see someone with an abscess and you >could burst and > > suck out the

poison to relieve that person's pain. >Without any > > pollyanna do

gooder emotion--------that is love.] > >***Tony, giving proper

medical attention is called for >in that situation. There is no clear

reason to equate >sucking abscess with love, although I suppose one

>could make an argument for it in some specific >situation on a

deserted island**** > > >Tony you further stated: >[i actually read a

> > story of Ammachi doing this in front of horrified >disgusted > >

devotees. She said they were too pampered and didn't >really > >

understand the poor and sick etc. Sending someone >nice letters and >

> poems is all very nice put picking somebody of the >street and > >

clothing them or feeding them is better-----it is >action. As Jesus >

> would say in the Beatitudes..........ONS....Tony.] > > >***Tony,

feeding the poor, helping the suffering, is >all good. Action can be

informed by Love, but Love is >not proven by action. We can look to

the saints to see >how they acted. But it is all comparison shopping.

> >There is no point in imitating anyone. This is why the >Lord said

to Moses, "I am That I am". He could have >said, "I am like this guy

or that gal, or I am like >the sky or the ocean, etc. But He said, I

am That I >am." Sri Ramana has told us to meditate on that >essential

nature of the feeling, "I AM" behind the >personality. > >***Love is

not proven by action. Love Is Being.*** > >Harsha > > >=====

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Dear All

We expect the enlightened to be "Saints" Ramesh totally

disillusioned me from that concept. Even the God realized being it

would seem, is subject to the same character traits he is born with.

Rameshe's Guru had a short fuse ie easily aroused temper as have many

other Sages. However the diference is that the Sage does not take this

personally "he" witesses the emtion arising and subsiding knowing full

well that he is not the doer of anything.

So if Love / compassion arises it has nothing to do with the personal

it is quite impersonal at source. I dont think you can choose to love

or be compassionate. Its down to your DNA genes, your destiny, up

todate conditioning Cosmic law and the will of God. In short you are

not the doer.

Ramesh quotes Buddha. (how I dislike quoting any one but I suppose it is helpful)

"Events happen

Deeds are done

But there is no individual doer thereof"

 

Basically there is only consciousness which expresses all the varied

actions and emotions through us.

 

With respect to all opinions and concepts.

Chris

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, Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote:

> , "Tony OClery"

> <aoclery> wrote:

> [> Namaste,

> >

> > Love is not pollyanna feelings of emotion of

> attachment.

> > It is not enjoying the K energy or anything like

> that.

> > If you could see someone with an abscess and you

> could burst and

> > suck out the poison to relieve that person's pain.

> Without any

> > pollyanna do gooder emotion--------that is love.]

>

> ***Tony, giving proper medical attention is called for

> in that situation. There is no clear reason to equate

> sucking abscess with love, although I suppose one

> could make an argument for it in some specific

> situation on a deserted island****

>

>

> Tony you further stated:

> [i actually read a

> > story of Ammachi doing this in front of horrified

> disgusted

> > devotees. She said they were too pampered and didn't

> really

> > understand the poor and sick etc. Sending someone

> nice letters and

> > poems is all very nice put picking somebody of the

> street and

> > clothing them or feeding them is better-----it is

> action. As Jesus

> > would say in the Beatitudes..........ONS....Tony.]

>

>

> ***Tony, feeding the poor, helping the suffering, is

> all good. Action can be informed by Love, but Love is

> not proven by action. We can look to the saints to see

> how they acted. But it is all comparison shopping.

>

> There is no point in imitating anyone. This is why the

> Lord said to Moses, "I am That I am". He could have

> said, "I am like this guy or that gal, or I am like

> the sky or the ocean, etc. But He said, I am That I

> am." Sri Ramana has told us to meditate on that

> essential nature of the feeling, "I AM" behind the

> personality.

>

> ***Love is not proven by action. Love Is Being.***

>

> Harsha

>

 

and:

 

"Love is god and God is love"

 

^ Sant Thakar Singh ^

 

his book titled as such

 

http://santmat-meditation.net/iam

 

 

Era

 

or, 'Love is the actual form of god'

 

^ RM ^

 

>

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, Harsha <harshaimtm>

wrote:

>

>

> Tony you further stated:

> [i actually read a

> > story of Ammachi doing this in front of horrified

> disgusted

> > devotees. She said they were too pampered and didn't

> really

> > understand the poor and sick etc. Sending someone

> nice letters and

> > poems is all very nice put picking somebody of the

> street and

> > clothing them or feeding them is better-----it is

> action. As Jesus

> > would say in the Beatitudes..........ONS....Tony.]

>

>

> ***Tony, feeding the poor, helping the suffering, is

> all good. Action can be informed by Love, but Love is

> not proven by action. We can look to the saints to see

> how they acted. But it is all comparison shopping.

>

> There is no point in imitating anyone. This is why the

> Lord said to Moses, "I am That I am". He could have

> said, "I am like this guy or that gal, or I am like

> the sky or the ocean, etc. But He said, I am That I

> am." Sri Ramana has told us to meditate on that

> essential nature of the feeling, "I AM" behind the

> personality.

>

> ***Love is not proven by action. Love Is Being.***

>

> Harsha

 

Namaste Harsha,

 

I think that is what was happening. Ammachi was showing complete

lack of attachment and aversion. She was showing all is Love as it

were. The person had a huge abscess on him and she burst it with her

teeth, then without aversion sucked out the poison and pain.

The lesson to the mostly Western Devotees was that at their stage,

Seva was what they needed to reduce their egos. In other words

action to help was what was needed to become Being. That is my

reading on the incident. She was showing that everything is 'I am',

like Brahma rupanam, Brahma havir, Brahmagnau, Brahma hutam,

brahmaiya va tena gantavyam, Brahma karma samardina. Aham vaisvanaro

bhutva pranimam deham ashrita pran apana samyukta, pranami annam

catur vadur. Om Santhi Santhi Santhi. Forgive my mispelling as it

just comes out of my head....ONS.....Tony

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Dear Chris and ALL,

 

This is an interesting post. What is love?

 

--- AnneChris <am009a8716 wrote:

> Dear All

> We expect the enlightened to be "Saints"

> Ramesh totally disillusioned me from that concept.

> Even the God realized being it would seem, is

> subject to the same character traits he is born

> with. Rameshe's Guru had a short fuse ie easily

> aroused temper as have many other Sages.

 

Love doesn't necessarily always involve a "warm,

fuzzy" feeling. I feel that love is just an attitude,

an intention to perform actions that are in everyones'

best interests - to perform actions that are not

selfish.

 

I don't feel that love is all flowers and perfume.

Sometimes love is expressed by just telling the truth

about something to someone. Many times they don't

appreciate it or they may even feel hurt by the words

spoken; but to me it is love nonetheless.

 

It doesn't even mean that what we do is necessarily

right or best. I feel that it is the intention that

matters.

 

 

SNIP

 

Regards,

 

michael

 

 

 

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Michael wrote

Love doesn't necessarily always involve a "warm,fuzzy" feeling. I

feel that love is just an attitude,an intention to perform actions

that are in everyones'best interests - to perform actions that are

notselfish.I don't feel that love is all flowers and

perfume.Sometimes love is expressed by just telling the truthabout

something to someone. Many times they don'tappreciate it or they may

even feel hurt by the wordsspoken; but to me it is love nonetheless.It

doesn't even mean that what we do is necessarilyright or best. I feel

that it is the intention thatmatters.Chris replys

I agree Michael but where does this intention come from?

 

When I endevour to heal people my intention is that the clients

benefit from the Bi-aura session and it is my profound hope that

their problem is completely alleiviated. However while most times

there is improvment on rare occasions love wells up within me and the

tears start to flow from my eyes and at that moment I have a deep

unconditional love for that person. When this happens inevitably a

major shift happens in the persons condition.

I cant make this happen no matter how strong my intention is or how

much normal compassion is there. This probably happens with a lot of

"healers".

When it is the destiny of the client to be healed it happens When it

is my destiny to facilitate the healing it happens. I have absolutly

nothing to do with it.

And yes somtimes love is quite tactless, whatever works, but I am

certainly not the healer. If I could I would fix the world.

 

Much Love Chris

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, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

wrote:

> , Harsha <harshaimtm>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Tony you further stated:

> > [i actually read a

> > > story of Ammachi doing this in front of horrified

> > disgusted

> > > devotees. She said they were too pampered and didn't

> > really

> > > understand the poor and sick etc. Sending someone

> > nice letters and

> > > poems is all very nice put picking somebody of the

> > street and

> > > clothing them or feeding them is better-----it is

> > action. As Jesus

> > > would say in the Beatitudes..........ONS....Tony.]

> >

> >

> > ***Tony, feeding the poor, helping the suffering, is

> > all good. Action can be informed by Love, but Love is

> > not proven by action. We can look to the saints to see

> > how they acted. But it is all comparison shopping.

> >

> > There is no point in imitating anyone. This is why the

> > Lord said to Moses, "I am That I am". He could have

> > said, "I am like this guy or that gal, or I am like

> > the sky or the ocean, etc. But He said, I am That I

> > am." Sri Ramana has told us to meditate on that

> > essential nature of the feeling, "I AM" behind the

> > personality.

> >

> > ***Love is not proven by action. Love Is Being.***

> >

> > Harsha

>

> Namaste Harsha,

>

> I think that is what was happening. Ammachi was showing complete

> lack of attachment and aversion. She was showing all is Love as it

> were. The person had a huge abscess on him and she burst it with

her

> teeth, then without aversion sucked out the poison and pain.

> The lesson to the mostly Western Devotees was that at their stage,

> Seva was what they needed to reduce their egos. In other words

> action to help was what was needed to become Being. That is my

> reading on the incident. She was showing that everything is 'I

am',

> like Brahma rupanam, Brahma havir, Brahmagnau, Brahma hutam,

> brahmaiya va tena gantavyam, Brahma karma samardina. Aham

vaisvanaro

> bhutva pranimam deham ashrita pran apana samyukta, (pranami annam )

> catur vadur. Om Santhi Santhi Santhi. Forgive my mispelling as it

> just comes out of my head....ONS.....Tony

 

Should be pachami annam, I think, I'll have to looking in my

Gita...Tony.

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Jim came home after working all day and over dinner he asked me if

anything interesting was going on online. One of the things I told

him was that on this list there was a discussion happening

about "What is Love?"

 

Ananda shot her hand into the air. "I know what Love is!"

 

"Oh yeah?" I asked, leaning toward her. "Tell me, what is love?"

 

"Love is Love!" she answered.

 

"Woo hoo!!!" I yelled, giving her a high-five.

 

That was the end of the discussion.

 

 

(I guess this is a pretty good demonstration of the difference

between the jnanis and the bhaktis! :)

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also between the kids and the adolts

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Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:30 AM

Re: What is Love?

Jim came home after working all day and over dinner he asked me if

anything interesting was going on online. One of the things I told

him was that on this list there was a discussion happening about

"What is Love?"Ananda shot her hand into the air. "I know what Love

is!Oh yeah?" I asked, leaning toward her. "Tell me, what is

love?""Love is Love!" she answered."Woo hoo!!!" I yelled, giving her

a high-five.That was the end of the discussion.(I guess this is a

pretty good demonstration of the difference between the jnanis and

the bhaktis!

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or theory and practice

......by its fruits you can see the difference between love and LOVE

LOL MICHAEL

>Sam

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What is Love? >Tue, 06 Jan 2004 07:16:36 +0100 > >also between

the kids and the adolts > - >

kheyalove > > Tuesday,

January 06, 2004 4:30 AM > Re: What is

Love? > > > Jim came home after working all day and over dinner he

asked me if > anything interesting was going on online. One of the

things I told > him was that on this list there was a discussion

happening > about "What is Love?" > > Ananda shot her hand into

the air. "I know what Love is!" > > "Oh yeah?" I asked, leaning

toward her. "Tell me, what is love?" > > "Love is Love!" she

answered. > > "Woo hoo!!!" I yelled, giving her a high-five. > >

That was the end of the discussion. > > > (I guess this is a pretty

good demonstration of the difference > between the jnanis and the

bhaktis! :) > > > > > > > > >

/join > >

> >

> > "Love itself is the actual form

of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by

Suri Nagamma > > > Sponsor >

> > > > >

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L O V E I

love is the warmth of fully acceptance of ourselves

a n d

a perfect strict noncompromising

N O

whenever this is really necessary

michael

>"AnneChris"

> >

>Re: What is Love? >Mon, 5 Jan 2004

23:59:03 -0000 > >Michael wrote > Love doesn't necessarily always

involve a "warm, > fuzzy" feeling. I feel that love is just an

attitude, > an intention to perform actions that are in everyones'

> best interests - to perform actions that are not > selfish. > >

I don't feel that love is all flowers and perfume. > Sometimes

love is expressed by just telling the truth > about something to

someone. Many times they don't > appreciate it or they may even

feel hurt by the words > spoken; but to me it is love nonetheless.

> > It doesn't even mean that what we do is necessarily > right

or best. I feel that it is the intention that > matters. > > >

Chris replys > I agree Michael but where does this intention come

from? > > When I endevour to heal people my intention is that the

clients benefit from the Bi-aura session and it is my profound hope

that their problem is completely alleiviated. However while most

times there is improvment on rare occasions love wells up within me

and the tears start to flow from my eyes and at that moment I have a

deep unconditional love for that person. When this happens inevitably

a major shift happens in the persons condition. > I cant make this

happen no matter how strong my intention is or how much normal

compassion is there. This probably happens with a lot of "healers". >

When it is the destiny of the client to be healed it happens When it

is my destiny to facilitate the healing it happens. I have absolutly

nothing to do with it. > And yes somtimes love is quite tactless,

whatever works, but I am certainly not the healer. If I could I would

fix the world. > > Much Love Chris MSN 8 with e-mail virus

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Dear Michael Bowes

I agree with you

tku

michael bindel

>Michael Bowes

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Love? >Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:41:12 -0800 (PST) > >Dear Chris and

ALL, > >This is an interesting post. What is love? > >--- AnneChris

wrote: > > Dear All > > We expect the enlightened to be

"Saints" > > Ramesh totally disillusioned me from that concept. > >

Even the God realized being it would seem, is > > subject to the same

character traits he is born > > with. Rameshe's Guru had a short fuse

ie easily > > aroused temper as have many other Sages. > >Love

doesn't necessarily always involve a "warm, >fuzzy" feeling. I feel

that love is just an attitude, >an intention to perform actions that

are in everyones' >best interests - to perform actions that are not

>selfish. > >I don't feel that love is all flowers and perfume.

>Sometimes love is expressed by just telling the truth >about

something to someone. Many times they don't >appreciate it or they

may even feel hurt by the words >spoken; but to me it is love

nonetheless. > >It doesn't even mean that what we do is necessarily

>right or best. I feel that it is the intention that >matters. > >

>SNIP > >Regards, > >michael > >

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, "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...>

wrote:

> Jim came home after working all day and over dinner he asked me if

> anything interesting was going on online. One of the things I

told

> him was that on this list there was a discussion happening

> about "What is Love?"

>

> Ananda shot her hand into the air. "I know what Love is!"

>

> "Oh yeah?" I asked, leaning toward her. "Tell me, what is love?"

>

> "Love is Love!" she answered.

>

> "Woo hoo!!!" I yelled, giving her a high-five.

>

> That was the end of the discussion.

>

>

> (I guess this is a pretty good demonstration of the difference

> between the jnanis and the bhaktis! :)

 

Namaste,

 

Yes Love is Love is Samness is not aversion or attachment or

differences, or invoker or evoker of emotion. This is the State of

the Sakti but there is Beyond Sakti and

States=Nirguna.......ONS...Tony.

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As we discuss what love is and, what some folks think it is not,

something which Harshaji has

posted in the past kept coming into my mind...

So I searched through the archives and found it...

With love and LOVE and LOL,

Joyce

True Guru

Follow the truth of your heart.

Be with those who allow for that.

Be in the environment where that is made possible. That is Satsangha.

When by grace, you find the way to the Heart, the Heart will make you

Its Own. You will see that you Are the Heart It Self. That you have

always been the Heart! Fullness that is complete and without edges.

That is God and That is Love. That is why they say that God Is Love.

~Sri Harshaji~

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MICHAEL BINDEL

Tuesday, January 06, 2004 1:22 AM

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or theory and practice

......by its fruits you can see the difference between love and LOVE

LOL MICHAEL

> Ananda shot her hand into the air. "I know what Love is!" > >

"Oh yeah?" I asked, leaning toward her. "Tell me, what is love?" > >

"Love is Love!" she answered. (I guess this is a pretty good

demonstration of the difference > between the jnanis and the

bhaktis! :) > > > > > > > > >

/join > >

> >

> > "Love itself is the actual form

of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by

Suri Nagamma > > > Sponsor >

> > > > >

>

> Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go

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Hi

 

Here's a poem for you.

 

Neverending story

A song of you

I am I love you

Follows a course of words

Trails a raven's call

>From the sky

Feel the sun's rays

show your light

In reflection

The mountain trail

Falls beneath these feet

Steps feel the wind

Warmed in the sun

Wild domain

Retreats

Step by step

Falling into the reservoir

Of mankind

At the feet of the mountain

I fall beneath you

Into your still embrace

 

Love to you

 

Michael

--- Era <satkarta7 wrote:

> , Harsha

> <harshaimtm> wrote:

> > , "Tony

> OClery"

> > <aoclery> wrote:

> > [> Namaste,

> > >

> > > Love is not pollyanna feelings of emotion of

> > attachment.

> > > It is not enjoying the K energy or anything like

> > that.

> > > If you could see someone with an abscess and you

> > could burst and

> > > suck out the poison to relieve that person's

> pain.

> > Without any

> > > pollyanna do gooder emotion--------that is

> love.]

> >

> > ***Tony, giving proper medical attention is called

> for

> > in that situation. There is no clear reason to

> equate

> > sucking abscess with love, although I suppose one

> > could make an argument for it in some specific

> > situation on a deserted island****

> >

> >

> > Tony you further stated:

> > [i actually read a

> > > story of Ammachi doing this in front of

> horrified

> > disgusted

> > > devotees. She said they were too pampered and

> didn't

> > really

> > > understand the poor and sick etc. Sending

> someone

> > nice letters and

> > > poems is all very nice put picking somebody of

> the

> > street and

> > > clothing them or feeding them is better-----it

> is

> > action. As Jesus

> > > would say in the

> Beatitudes..........ONS....Tony.]

> >

> >

> > ***Tony, feeding the poor, helping the suffering,

> is

> > all good. Action can be informed by Love, but Love

> is

> > not proven by action. We can look to the saints to

> see

> > how they acted. But it is all comparison shopping.

>

> >

> > There is no point in imitating anyone. This is why

> the

> > Lord said to Moses, "I am That I am". He could

> have

> > said, "I am like this guy or that gal, or I am

> like

> > the sky or the ocean, etc. But He said, I am That

> I

> > am." Sri Ramana has told us to meditate on that

> > essential nature of the feeling, "I AM" behind the

> > personality.

> >

> > ***Love is not proven by action. Love Is Being.***

> >

> > Harsha

> >

>

> and:

>

> "Love is god and God is love"

>

> ^ Sant Thakar Singh ^

>

> his book titled as such

>

> http://santmat-meditation.net/iam

>

>

> Era

>

> or, 'Love is the actual form of god'

>

> ^ RM ^

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> /join

>

>

>

>

>

> "Love itself is the actual form of God."

>

> Sri Ramana

>

> In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

>

> Links

>

>

> /

>

>

>

>

> Your

>

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, Sam <S.Pasiencier@p...> wrote:

 

> also between the kids and the adolts

 

 

 

Hi Sam,

 

Just for fun, go grab your

English dictionary and find out

what "a dolt" is!

 

Grinning in lighthearted jest,

 

(which, come to think of it,

might easily be descibed as an

expression of love...)

 

Kheyala

 

 

 

 

 

> -

> kheyalove

>

> Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:30 AM

> Re: What is Love?

>

>

> Jim came home after working all day and over dinner he asked me

if

> anything interesting was going on online. One of the things I

told

> him was that on this list there was a discussion happening

> about "What is Love?"

>

> Ananda shot her hand into the air. "I know what Love is!"

>

> "Oh yeah?" I asked, leaning toward her. "Tell me, what is love?"

>

> "Love is Love!" she answered.

>

> "Woo hoo!!!" I yelled, giving her a high-five.

>

> That was the end of the discussion.

>

>

> (I guess this is a pretty good demonstration of the difference

> between the jnanis and the bhaktis! :)

>

>

/join

>

>

>

>

>

> "Love itself is the actual form of God."

>

> Sri Ramana

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> In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

>

>

> Sponsor

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Using the dictionary:

Definitions of love:

noun: any object of warm affection or devotion Example: "The theater

was her first love or he has a passion for cock fighting"

noun: a deep feeling of sexual desire and attraction Example: "Their

love left them indifferent to their surroundings"

noun: a strong positive emotion of regard and affection Example: "His love for his work"

noun: a score of zero in tennis or squash Example: "It was 40 love"

noun: sexual activities (often including sexual intercourse) between

two people Example: "His lovemaking disgusted her"

noun: a beloved person; used as terms of endearment verb: have a

great affection or liking for Example: "I love French food"

verb: be enamored or in love with Example: "She loves her husband deeply"

verb: get pleasure from Example: "I love cooking"

name: A surname (common: 1 in 2857 families; popularity rank in the

U.S.: #311) name: A female given name (rare: 1 in 100000 females;

popularity rank in the U.S.: #4133)

Alan

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kheyalove

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:07 AM

Re: What is Love?

, Sam <S.Pasiencier@p...> wrote:>

also between the kids and the adoltsHi Sam,Just for fun, go grab your

English dictionary and find out what "a dolt" is! Grinning in

lighthearted jest,(which, come to think of it,might easily be

descibed as an expression of love...)Kheyala> ----- Original

Message ----- > kheyalove > To:

> Tuesday, January 06, 2004

4:30 AM> Re: What is Love?> > > Jim

came home after working all day and over dinner he asked me if >

anything interesting was going on online. One of the things I told >

him was that on this list there was a discussion happening > about

"What is Love?"> > Ananda shot her hand into the air. "I know what

Love is!" > > "Oh yeah?" I asked, leaning toward her. "Tell me,

what is love?"> > "Love is Love!" she answered.> > "Woo hoo!!!" I

yelled, giving her a high-five.> > That was the end of the

discussion.> > > (I guess this is a pretty good demonstration of

the difference > between the jnanis and the bhaktis! :)> > > > > >

> > > /join> >

> >

> > "Love itself is the actual form of

God."> > Sri Ramana> > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri

Nagamma > > > Sponsor >

> > > > > >

>

Links> > a.. To visit your group on the web, go

to:> /> >

b.. >

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:-)

Finally!! A definitive answer.

 

Thank God!!! and Al

 

michael

 

--- Al Larus <eg wrote:

> Using the dictionary:

>

> Definitions of love:

>

>

> a.. noun: any object of warm affection or

> devotion

> Example: "The theater was her first love or he

> has a passion for cock fighting"

> b.. noun: a deep feeling of sexual desire and

> attraction

> Example: "Their love left them indifferent to

> their surroundings"

> c.. noun: a strong positive emotion of regard

> and affection

> Example: "His love for his work"

> d.. noun: a score of zero in tennis or squash

> Example: "It was 40 love"

> e.. noun: sexual activities (often including

> sexual intercourse) between two people

> Example: "His lovemaking disgusted her"

> f.. noun: a beloved person; used as terms of

> endearment

> g.. verb: have a great affection or liking for

> Example: "I love French food"

> h.. verb: be enamored or in love with

> Example: "She loves her husband deeply"

> i.. verb: get pleasure from

> Example: "I love cooking"

> j.. name: A surname (common: 1 in 2857 families;

> popularity rank in the U.S.: #311)

> k.. name: A female given name (rare: 1 in 100000

> females; popularity rank in the U.S.: #4133)

>

> Alan

> -

> kheyalove

>

> Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:07 AM

> Re: What is Love?

>

>

> , Sam

> <S.Pasiencier@p...> wrote:

>

>

> > also between the kids and the adolts

>

>

>

> Hi Sam,

>

> Just for fun, go grab your

> English dictionary and find out

> what "a dolt" is!

>

> Grinning in lighthearted jest,

>

> (which, come to think of it,

> might easily be descibed as an

> expression of love...)

>

> Kheyala

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > -

> > kheyalove

> >

> > Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:30 AM

> > Re: What is Love?

> >

> >

> > Jim came home after working all day and over

> dinner he asked me

> if

> > anything interesting was going on online. One

> of the things I

> told

> > him was that on this list there was a

> discussion happening

> > about "What is Love?"

> >

> > Ananda shot her hand into the air. "I know

> what Love is!"

> >

> > "Oh yeah?" I asked, leaning toward her. "Tell

> me, what is love?"

> >

> > "Love is Love!" she answered.

> >

> > "Woo hoo!!!" I yelled, giving her a high-five.

> >

> > That was the end of the discussion.

> >

> >

> > (I guess this is a pretty good demonstration

> of the difference

> > between the jnanis and the bhaktis! :)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> /join

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > "Love itself is the actual form of God."

> >

> > Sri Ramana

> >

> > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri

> Nagamma

> >

> >

> > Sponsor

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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> > c.. Your use of is subject to

> the Terms of

> Service.

>

>

>

> /join

>

>

>

>

>

> "Love itself is the actual form of God."

>

> Sri Ramana

>

> In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

>

>

>

>

>

> Links

>

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, "Al Larus" <eg@k...> wrote:

> Using the dictionary:

>

> Definitions of love:

>

>

> a.. noun: any object of warm affection or devotion

> Example: "The theater was her first love or he has a passion

for cock fighting"

> b.. noun: a deep feeling of sexual desire and attraction

> Example: "Their love left them indifferent to their

surroundings"

> c.. noun: a strong positive emotion of regard and affection

> Example: "His love for his work"

> d.. noun: a score of zero in tennis or squash

> Example: "It was 40 love"

> e.. noun: sexual activities (often including sexual

intercourse) between two people

> Example: "His lovemaking disgusted her"

> f.. noun: a beloved person; used as terms of endearment

> g.. verb: have a great affection or liking for

> Example: "I love French food"

> h.. verb: be enamored or in love with

> Example: "She loves her husband deeply"

> i.. verb: get pleasure from

> Example: "I love cooking"

> j.. name: A surname (common: 1 in 2857 families; popularity

rank in the U.S.: #311)

> k.. name: A female given name (rare: 1 in 100000 females;

popularity rank in the U.S.: #4133)

>

> Alan.

 

Namaste All,

 

I rest my case.........Tony.

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kheyalove

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:07 AM

Re: What is Love?

, Sam <S.Pasiencier@p...> wrote:>

also between the kids and the adoltsHi Sam,Just for fun, go grab your

English dictionary and find out what "a dolt" is! Grinning in

lighthearted jest,(which, come to think of it,might easily be

descibed as an expression of love...)Kheyala

My dictionary said..Stupid person, which is what I thought it was when

I wrote the above. It was a deliberate play on words.

Thanks for the expression of love.

Isn't it funny here on the earth, at least to the little ones who are

still alive or to the old ones who have become little again, how

everybody keeps asking things like: "What is love?"

L?, Sam

> - > kheyalove > To:

> Tuesday, January 06, 2004

4:30 AM> Re: What is Love?> > > Jim

came home after working all day and over dinner he asked me if >

anything interesting was going on online. One of the things I told >

him was that on this list there was a discussion happening > about

"What is Love?"> > Ananda shot her hand into the air. "I know what

Love is!" > > "Oh yeah?" I asked, leaning toward her. "Tell me,

what is love?"> > "Love is Love!" she answered.> > "Woo hoo!!!" I

yelled, giving her a high-five.> > That was the end of the

discussion.> > > (I guess this is a pretty good demonstration of

the difference > between the jnanis and the bhaktis! :)> > > > > >

> > > /join> >

> >

> > "Love itself is the actual form of

God."> > Sri Ramana> > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri

Nagamma > > > Sponsor >

> > > > > >

>

Links> > a.. To visit your group on the web, go

to:> /> >

b.. >

> > c.. Your use

of is subject to the Terms of

Service./join

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Thanks Al, now we know!

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Al Larus

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:18 AM

Re: Re: What is Love?

Using the dictionary:

Definitions of love:

noun: any object of warm affection or devotion Example: "The theater

was her first love or he has a passion for cock fighting"

noun: a deep feeling of sexual desire and attraction Example: "Their

love left them indifferent to their surroundings"

noun: a strong positive emotion of regard and affection Example: "His love for his work"

noun: a score of zero in tennis or squash Example: "It was 40 love"

noun: sexual activities (often including sexual intercourse) between

two people Example: "His lovemaking disgusted her"

noun: a beloved person; used as terms of endearment verb: have a

great affection or liking for Example: "I love French food"

verb: be enamored or in love with Example: "She loves her husband deeply"

verb: get pleasure from Example: "I love cooking"

name: A surname (common: 1 in 2857 families; popularity rank in the

U.S.: #311) name: A female given name (rare: 1 in 100000 females;

popularity rank in the U.S.: #4133)

Alan

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kheyalove

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:07 AM

Re: What is Love?

, Sam <S.Pasiencier@p...> wrote:>

also between the kids and the adoltsHi Sam,Just for fun, go grab your

English dictionary and find out what "a dolt" is! Grinning in

lighthearted jest,(which, come to think of it,might easily be

descibed as an expression of love...)Kheyala> ----- Original

Message ----- > kheyalove > To:

> Tuesday, January 06, 2004

4:30 AM> Re: What is Love?> > > Jim

came home after working all day and over dinner he asked me if >

anything interesting was going on online. One of the things I told >

him was that on this list there was a discussion happening > about

"What is Love?"> > Ananda shot her hand into the air. "I know what

Love is!" > > "Oh yeah?" I asked, leaning toward her. "Tell me,

what is love?"> > "Love is Love!" she answered.> > "Woo hoo!!!" I

yelled, giving her a high-five.> > That was the end of the

discussion.> > > (I guess this is a pretty good demonstration of

the difference > between the jnanis and the bhaktis! :)> > > > > >

> > > /join> >

> >

> > "Love itself is the actual form of

God."> > Sri Ramana> > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri

Nagamma > > > Sponsor >

> > > > > >

>

Links> > a.. To visit your group on the web, go

to:> /> >

b.. >

> > c.. Your use

of is subject to the Terms of

Service./join

"Love itself is

the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam"

by Suri Nagamma To visit your group on the web, go

to:/ To from

this group, send an email

to: Your use of

Groups is subject to the

/join

"Love itself

is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

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, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

wrote:

> , Harsha <harshaimtm>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Tony you further stated:

> > [i actually read a

> > > story of Ammachi doing this in front of horrified

> > disgusted

> > > devotees. She said they were too pampered and didn't

> > really

> > > understand the poor and sick etc. Sending someone

> > nice letters and

> > > poems is all very nice put picking somebody of the

> > street and

> > > clothing them or feeding them is better-----it is

> > action. As Jesus

> > > would say in the Beatitudes..........ONS....Tony.]

> >

> >

> > ***Tony, feeding the poor, helping the suffering, is

> > all good. Action can be informed by Love, but Love is

> > not proven by action. We can look to the saints to see

> > how they acted. But it is all comparison shopping.

> >

> > There is no point in imitating anyone. This is why the

> > Lord said to Moses, "I am That I am". He could have

> > said, "I am like this guy or that gal, or I am like

> > the sky or the ocean, etc. But He said, I am That I

> > am." Sri Ramana has told us to meditate on that

> > essential nature of the feeling, "I AM" behind the

> > personality.

> >

> > ***Love is not proven by action. Love Is Being.***

> >

> > Harsha

>

> Namaste Harsha,

>

> I think that is what was happening. Ammachi was showing complete

> lack of attachment and aversion. She was showing all is Love as it

> were. The person had a huge abscess on him and she burst it with

her

> teeth, then without aversion sucked out the poison and pain.

> The lesson to the mostly Western Devotees was that at their stage,

> Seva was what they needed to reduce their egos. In other words

> action to help was what was needed to become Being. That is my

> reading on the incident. She was showing that everything is 'I am',

> like Brahma rupanam, Brahma havir, Brahmagnau, Brahma hutam,

> brahmaiya va tena gantavyam, Brahma karma samardina. Aham

vaisvanaro

> bhutva pranimam deham ashrita pran apana samyukta, pranami annam

> catur vadur. Om Santhi Santhi Santhi. Forgive my mispelling as it

> just comes out of my head....ONS.....Tony

 

 

Namaste,

 

Replying to this the next day. I like to read the stories of saints,

and I've read about this story, but I don't remember which book it

was in.

 

When Amma was asked why she sucked the pus and licked the leper's

wounds, she replied that she didn't know why. She just felt like

doing it.

 

Later, one of her devotees, read or heard, that the saliva of a saint

is reputed to have healing powers. So, I suppose that's why she did

it, although she didn't know why.

 

I don't think true saints calculate their actions. They just act.

Ananda Mayi Ma had her "khyel" (sp?), as she called it, which

prompted her to act.

 

Harsha said, "action can be informed by love".

 

I think that's how the saints act, informed by love. Durga

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, "durga" <durgaji108>

wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Harsha,

> >

> > I think that is what was happening. Ammachi was showing

complete

> > lack of attachment and aversion. She was showing all is Love as

it

> > were. The person had a huge abscess on him and she burst it with

> her

> > teeth, then without aversion sucked out the poison and pain.

> > The lesson to the mostly Western Devotees was that at their

stage,

> > Seva was what they needed to reduce their egos. In other words

> > action to help was what was needed to become Being. That is my

> > reading on the incident. She was showing that everything is 'I

am',

> > like Brahma rupanam, Brahma havir, Brahmagnau, Brahma hutam,

> > brahmaiya va tena gantavyam, Brahma karma samardina. Aham

> vaisvanaro

> > bhutva pranimam deham ashrita pran apana samyukta, pranami annam

> > catur vadur. Om Santhi Santhi Santhi. Forgive my mispelling as

it

> > just comes out of my head....ONS.....Tony

>

>

> Namaste,

>

> Replying to this the next day. I like to read the stories of

saints,

> and I've read about this story, but I don't remember which book it

> was in.

>

> When Amma was asked why she sucked the pus and licked the leper's

> wounds, she replied that she didn't know why. She just felt like

> doing it.

>

> Later, one of her devotees, read or heard, that the saliva of a

saint

> is reputed to have healing powers. So, I suppose that's why she

did

> it, although she didn't know why.

>

> I don't think true saints calculate their actions. They just act.

> Ananda Mayi Ma had her "khyel" (sp?), as she called it, which

> prompted her to act.

>

> Harsha said, "action can be informed by love".

>

> I think that's how the saints act, informed by love. Durga

 

Namaste Durga, suitable name for his story.

 

I got it out of one her books, I think, 'Awaken Children', don't

remember which volume. She did make the comment about her devotees

being pampered and comfortable westerners that really had never

suffered much, in comparison. I agree that with Saints, actions and

healings happen spontaneously around them. Only a Jnani can

recognise another Jnani. I don't think there is an informing by

Love, per se, for they are Love, Saints and Jnanis that is...This

thread started by myself making a comment on what Love is, and in

fact one could include Grace as well, for that can also be be

horrendous and extremely painful.ONS..Tony.

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Dear Tony,

 

 

--- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote:

 

> SNIP

 

....This

> thread started by myself making a comment on what

> Love is, and in

> fact one could include Grace as well, for that can

> also be be

> horrendous and extremely painful.ONS..Tony.

>

 

Yes grace which is an aspect of LIFE can be extremely

painful. Mostly humans don't awaken (from dream) or

evolve unless they "have to". Humans will mostly only

do what they have to do to in order to avoid or

alleviate pain and suffering. So suffering is the way

of LIFE until one becomes not suffering any more.

 

 

Warmenst regards,

 

michael

 

 

 

 

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