You are not the doer?...Durga...Bhuvi...Michael...

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As I read some of the posts on "who done did it?",

this song from my early teens keeps playing in my mind,

only I keep changing the line to...

Nobody's wrong if everybody's right...

Wisdom I learned a while back from Jan :-)

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For What it’s Worth- Buffalo SpringfieldI think it's time we stop,

children, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down There's

battle lines being drawn Nobody's right if everybody's wrong Young

people speaking their minds Getting so much resistance from behind I

think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's

going down What a field-day for the heat A thousand people in the

street Singing songs and carrying signs Mostly say, hooray for our

side It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's

going down ...

 

Anyway, each person who has written on it,

what they have said is what resonates for them,

what is right to them. For each one of them, the Lord is speaking

through them as they are at that moment.

Anne Chris wrote below a while back in the "what is love" thread

In fact, some of what she wrote had me thinking about this subject,

just as Vicki was thinking about it too...what does it mean, really? :

Anne...

So if Love / compassion arises it has nothing to do with the personal

it is quite impersonal at source. I dont think you can choose to love

or be compassionate. Its down to your DNA genes, your destiny, up

todate conditioning Cosmic law and the will of God. In short you are

not the doer.

Ramesh quotes Buddha. (how I dislike quoting any one but I suppose it is helpful)

"Events happen

Deeds are done

But there is no individual doer thereof"

Basically there is only consciousness which expresses all the varied

actions and emotions through us.

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Michael wrote:

someday somehow

I realized that

whatever I do thru the Ego is of no avail

that I asked the BELOVED ONE

let my Ego go and take complete command of mine

-

Durga wrote...Try this. It has helped me, a lot. There is a sanskrit

word, dehatmabuddhi. This word means the strong notion (buddhi) in

the mind, that the body (deha), is the atma (Self).The body, and

everything comprising it are objects in your awareness. Your mind,

all your thoughts, are objects in your awareness.What is this

awareness? It is not the body. It is not the mind. These are

objects in your awareness. You can watch all of these objects come

and go and change. What is it that does not change? That is your

awareness. It is yourSelf.This awareness illumines your mind, but it

is not your mind.Your mind has taken itself to be that awareness, but

it is not.Maybe try making the distinction, between what comes and

goes and changes, and what does not. Perhaps this will help. Dear

Durga:

What you say makes sense to me insofar as I have

often observed that no matter how much my body ages

or my perceptions and perspectives change, there is

a part of me that always remains the same, feels the same,

if you will. Kind of like the "witness." Always there,

when I was 4 or 10 or 20, and so on :-)

Changeless...timeless...neti...neti

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Bhuvi wrote what felt right to him...

some of it I did not understand, either, LOL,

but I took from it what was there for me to understand

and that is all that matters...

There is another saying, dear Michael...

"Everything is exactly as it should be."

Knowing that in my heart is for me

what amounts to surrender in a way

that I embrace what is happening in my life,

even when it hurts some part of me.

Why?...because like Bhuvi says...

Even an ant will not bite without the will of Eshwara

and now, for a word from our sponsor...with apologies to Michael :-)

http://www.omshaantih.com/Not%20the%20Doer.htm

Love,

Joyce

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thank you Lady Joyce!

a part of me that always remains the same, feels the same,

> if you will. Kind of like the "witness." Always there,

> when I was 4 or 10 or 20, and so on :-)

its the same with me!!!!!

and isnt it wonderful to be like this in every aspect....??

There is another saying, dear Michael...

>"Everything is exactly as it should be."

of course it is like this

b u t sorry I have the urge sometimes to let the other now that

there are other ways of looking at life...

with a lots of love

and respect

tku for your ongoing work

michael bindel

>"Lady Joyce"

> >

> Re: You are not the

doer?...Durga...Bhuvi...Michael... >Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:47:44

-0500 > >As I read some of the posts on "who done did it?", >this

song from my early teens keeps playing in my mind, >only I keep

changing the line to... >Nobody's wrong if everybody's right... >

>Wisdom I learned a while back from Jan :-)

>------

> >For What it's Worth >- Buffalo Springfield > >I think it's time we

stop, children, what's that sound >Everybody look what's going down >

>There's battle lines being drawn >Nobody's right if everybody's wrong

>Young people speaking their minds >Getting so much resistance from

behind > >I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound

>Everybody look what's going down > >What a field-day for the heat >A

thousand people in the street >Singing songs and carrying signs

>Mostly say, hooray for our side > >It's time we stop, hey, what's

that sound >Everybody look what's going down ...

> >

>Anyway, each person who has written on it, >what they have said is

what resonates for them, >what is right to them. For each one of

them, >the Lord is speaking through them as they are at that moment.

> >Anne Chris wrote below a while back in the "what is love" thread

>In fact, some of what she wrote had me thinking about this subject,

>just as Vicki was thinking about it too...what does it mean, really?

: > >Anne... >So if Love / compassion arises it has nothing to do with

the personal it is quite impersonal at source. I dont think you can

choose to love or be compassionate. >Its down to your DNA genes, your

destiny, up todate conditioning >Cosmic law and the will of God. In

short you are not the doer. >Ramesh quotes Buddha. >(how I dislike

quoting any one but I suppose it is helpful) > >"Events happen >Deeds

are done >But there is no individual doer thereof" > >Basically there

is only consciousness which expresses >all the varied actions and

emotions through us. >

>------

>Michael wrote: > >someday somehow >I realized that > >whatever I do

thru the Ego is of no avail >that I asked the BELOVED ONE >let my Ego

go and take complete command of mine

>-

> > Durga wrote... > > Try this. It has helped me, a lot. There

is a sanskrit word, > dehatmabuddhi. This word means the strong

notion (buddhi) in the > mind, that the body (deha), is the atma

(Self). > > The body, and everything comprising it are objects in

your awareness. > Your mind, all your thoughts, are objects in your

awareness. > > What is this awareness? It is not the body. It is

not the mind. > These are objects in your awareness. > > You can

watch all of these objects come and go and change. What is > it

that does not change? That is your awareness. It is yourSelf. >

This awareness illumines your mind, but it is not your mind. > >

Your mind has taken itself to be that awareness, but it is not. > >

Maybe try making the distinction, between what comes and goes and >

changes, and what does not. Perhaps this will help. > > Dear

Durga: > > What you say makes sense to me insofar as I have >

often observed that no matter how much my body ages > or my

perceptions and perspectives change, there is > a part of me that

always remains the same, feels the same, > if you will. Kind of

like the "witness." Always there, > when I was 4 or 10 or 20, and

so on :-) > Changeless...timeless...neti...neti > >

----------

>Bhuvi wrote what felt right to him... >some of it I did not

understand, either, LOL, >but I took from it what was there for me to

understand >and that is all that matters... > >There is another

saying, dear Michael... >"Everything is exactly as it should be." >

>Knowing that in my heart is for me >what amounts to surrender in a

way >that I embrace what is happening in my life, >even when it hurts

some part of me. > >Why?...because like Bhuvi says... >Even an ant

will not bite without the will of Eshwara > >and now, for a word from

our sponsor...with apologies to Michael :-) >

>http://www.omshaantih.com/Not%20the%20Doer.htm > >Love, > >Joyce MSN

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