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greetings to all and happy new year to those i didn't have the

pleasure to drink champagne with!

on a search for "vasanas and samskaras" on the net i came back more

confused than i started:

"latent tendencies" could define both, and samskaras would be more

actualized or acted on (i'm not sure); i didn't find nothing

in "Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi" that i have now on a single

browsable 3k file after scanning the whole book (took me days plus

spell check).

the story about the yogi who went into a long nirvikalpa samadhi and

emerged with the same annoying thought after years tells long about

vasanas.

i would finally say that the difference is like a horse seen here at

rest and there jumping, it's still the same horse...

what do you say?

eric

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, "eric paroissien"

<brahmanshines@a...> wrote:

> greetings to all and happy new year to those i didn't have the

> pleasure to drink champagne with!

> on a search for "vasanas and samskaras" on the net i came back

more

> confused than i started:

> "latent tendencies" could define both, and samskaras would be more

> actualized or acted on (i'm not sure); i didn't find nothing

> in "Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi" that i have now on a single

> browsable 3k file after scanning the whole book (took me days plus

> spell check).

> the story about the yogi who went into a long nirvikalpa samadhi

and

> emerged with the same annoying thought after years tells long

about

> vasanas.

> i would finally say that the difference is like a horse seen here

at

> rest and there jumping, it's still the same horse...

> what do you say?

> eric

 

Namaste Eric,

 

The same Eric from sb sites? and house of blues?.........ONS..Tony.

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On 1/11/04 at 4:16 PM eric paroissien wrote:

 

ºgreetings to all and happy new year to those i didn't have the

ºpleasure to drink champagne with!

ºon a search for "vasanas and samskaras" on the net i came back more

ºconfused than i started:

º"latent tendencies" could define both, and samskaras would be more

ºactualized or acted on (i'm not sure); i didn't find nothing

ºin "Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi" that i have now on a single

ºbrowsable 3k file after scanning the whole book (took me days plus

ºspell check).

ºthe story about the yogi who went into a long nirvikalpa samadhi and

ºemerged with the same annoying thought after years tells long about

ºvasanas.

ºi would finally say that the difference is like a horse seen here at

ºrest and there jumping, it's still the same horse...

ºwhat do you say?

ºeric

 

Hi Eric,

 

All samadhis can be described as partial suspensions of the total of human

functioning,

(that includes breathing, heartbeat, digestion etc.).

Mahasamadhi then, the complete and final suspension.

Latent tendencies are a subset of tendencies and some of them are hardwired.

 

Looking up definitions, in classical yoga, vasanas (subliminal activators) are

considered

linked, like beads on a string.

(it doesn't mention that the string linking them is the sense of "i")

The same dictionary gives for samskara: activator.

 

Jan

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, "ecirada" <ecirada> wrote:

> On 1/11/04 at 4:16 PM eric paroissien wrote:

>

> ºgreetings to all and happy new year to those i didn't have the

> ºpleasure to drink champagne with!

> ºon a search for "vasanas and samskaras" on the net i came back

more

> ºconfused than i started:

> º"latent tendencies" could define both, and samskaras would be more

> ºactualized or acted on (i'm not sure); i didn't find nothing

> ºin "Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi" that i have now on a single

> ºbrowsable 3k file after scanning the whole book (took me days plus

> ºspell check).

> ºthe story about the yogi who went into a long nirvikalpa samadhi

and

> ºemerged with the same annoying thought after years tells long

about

> ºvasanas.

> ºi would finally say that the difference is like a horse seen here

at

> ºrest and there jumping, it's still the same horse...

> ºwhat do you say?

> ºeric

>

> Hi Eric,

>

> All samadhis can be described as partial suspensions of the total

of human functioning,

> (that includes breathing, heartbeat, digestion etc.).

> Mahasamadhi then, the complete and final suspension.

> Latent tendencies are a subset of tendencies and some of them are

hardwired.

>

> Looking up definitions, in classical yoga, vasanas (subliminal

activators) are considered

> linked, like beads on a string.

> (it doesn't mention that the string linking them is the sense

of "i")

> The same dictionary gives for samskara: activator.

>

> Jan

 

hi Jan,

i'm still "working" exactly on what you gave me months ago "observe

unease as it arises" (my clumsy interpretation and quote); because:

1. being in bliss most of the time, there is little salient or

negative to work on; it could be confused with some happy torpor

because avidya is obvious (no pun) but availability/responsiveness to

outer/social demand or internal stimuli and regular daily moments of

high pressure light make it more like kundalini working something

somehow at a biological level;

2. no type of vichara or meditation makes sense, it is all a big

joke; even when "achieving" concentration on the breath, breathing in

for 30sec, then out for 30sec, for half an hour, the mind powerfully

buzzing in the background is gigantic (Annapurna) and for sure no one

can quieten THAT;

well, life is fun and some vasana tells me that i "should" 'do'

something for liberation, to stir it with a spoon, but the fire is

under the casserole anyway.

:-)

eric

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, "eric paroissien"

<brahmanshines@a...> wrote:

> , "ecirada" <ecirada>

wrote:

> > On 1/11/04 at 4:16 PM eric paroissien wrote:

> >

> > ºgreetings to all and happy new year to those i didn't have the

> > ºpleasure to drink champagne with!

> > ºon a search for "vasanas and samskaras" on the net i came back

> more

> > ºconfused than i started:

> > º"latent tendencies" could define both, and samskaras would be

more

> > ºactualized or acted on (i'm not sure); i didn't find nothing

> > ºin "Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi" that i have now on a single

> > ºbrowsable 3k file after scanning the whole book (took me days

plus

> > ºspell check).

> > ºthe story about the yogi who went into a long nirvikalpa samadhi

> and

> > ºemerged with the same annoying thought after years tells long

> about

> > ºvasanas.

> > ºi would finally say that the difference is like a horse seen

here

> at

> > ºrest and there jumping, it's still the same horse...

> > ºwhat do you say?

> > ºeric

> >

> > Hi Eric,

> >

> > All samadhis can be described as partial suspensions of the total

> of human functioning,

> > (that includes breathing, heartbeat, digestion etc.).

> > Mahasamadhi then, the complete and final suspension.

> > Latent tendencies are a subset of tendencies and some of them are

> hardwired.

> >

> > Looking up definitions, in classical yoga, vasanas (subliminal

> activators) are considered

> > linked, like beads on a string.

> > (it doesn't mention that the string linking them is the sense

> of "i")

> > The same dictionary gives for samskara: activator.

> >

> > Jan

>

> hi Jan,

> i'm still "working" exactly on what you gave me months ago "observe

> unease as it arises" (my clumsy interpretation and quote); because:

> 1. being in bliss most of the time, there is little salient or

> negative to work on; it could be confused with some happy torpor

> because avidya is obvious (no pun) but availability/responsiveness

to

> outer/social demand or internal stimuli and regular daily moments

of

> high pressure light make it more like kundalini working something

> somehow at a biological level;

> 2. no type of vichara or meditation makes sense, it is all a big

> joke; even when "achieving" concentration on the breath, breathing

in

> for 30sec, then out for 30sec, for half an hour, the mind

powerfully

> buzzing in the background is gigantic (Annapurna) and for sure no

one

> can quieten THAT;

> well, life is fun and some vasana tells me that i "should" 'do'

> something for liberation, to stir it with a spoon, but the fire is

> under the casserole anyway.

> :-)

> eric

 

then reading again your definition, it might be that only the

hardwired vasanas are confronted

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On 1/11/04 at 10:58 PM eric paroissien wrote:

 

º, "ecirada" <ecirada> wrote:

º> On 1/11/04 at 4:16 PM eric paroissien wrote:

º>

º> ºgreetings to all and happy new year to those i didn't have the

º> ºpleasure to drink champagne with!

º> ºon a search for "vasanas and samskaras" on the net i came back

ºmore

º> ºconfused than i started:

º> º"latent tendencies" could define both, and samskaras would be more

º> ºactualized or acted on (i'm not sure); i didn't find nothing

º> ºin "Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi" that i have now on a single

º> ºbrowsable 3k file after scanning the whole book (took me days plus

º> ºspell check).

º> ºthe story about the yogi who went into a long nirvikalpa samadhi

ºand

º> ºemerged with the same annoying thought after years tells long

ºabout

º> ºvasanas.

º> ºi would finally say that the difference is like a horse seen here

ºat

º> ºrest and there jumping, it's still the same horse...

º> ºwhat do you say?

º> ºeric

º>

º> Hi Eric,

º>

º> All samadhis can be described as partial suspensions of the total

ºof human functioning,

º> (that includes breathing, heartbeat, digestion etc.).

º> Mahasamadhi then, the complete and final suspension.

º> Latent tendencies are a subset of tendencies and some of them are

ºhardwired.

º>

º> Looking up definitions, in classical yoga, vasanas (subliminal

ºactivators) are considered

º> linked, like beads on a string.

º> (it doesn't mention that the string linking them is the sense

ºof "i")

º> The same dictionary gives for samskara: activator.

º>

º> Jan

º

ºhi Jan,

ºi'm still "working" exactly on what you gave me months ago "observe

ºunease as it arises" (my clumsy interpretation and quote); because:

º1. being in bliss most of the time, there is little salient or

ºnegative to work on; it could be confused with some happy torpor

ºbecause avidya is obvious (no pun) but availability/responsiveness to

ºouter/social demand or internal stimuli and regular daily moments of

ºhigh pressure light make it more like kundalini working something

ºsomehow at a biological level;

º2. no type of vichara or meditation makes sense, it is all a big

ºjoke; even when "achieving" concentration on the breath, breathing in

ºfor 30sec, then out for 30sec, for half an hour, the mind powerfully

ºbuzzing in the background is gigantic (Annapurna) and for sure no one

ºcan quieten THAT;

ºwell, life is fun and some vasana tells me that i "should" 'do'

ºsomething for liberation, to stir it with a spoon, but the fire is

ºunder the casserole anyway.

º:-)

ºeric

 

Hi Eric,

 

After apperception, when events hint at what is labeled "awakened K.",

the only concern is to know what happened: there's a surplus

of energy directed to dissolve / burn out (pick the term) those pesky

vasanas. Hence no need for practices, other than keep up the surplus

of life energy. As a rule, the process is quite blissful, at times it can

feel a bit uncomfortable (coinciding with what in K. yoga are called

"knots"). The samadhis will come and go by themselves, as side-effects.

 

Jan

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