Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 greetings to all and happy new year to those i didn't have the pleasure to drink champagne with! on a search for "vasanas and samskaras" on the net i came back more confused than i started: "latent tendencies" could define both, and samskaras would be more actualized or acted on (i'm not sure); i didn't find nothing in "Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi" that i have now on a single browsable 3k file after scanning the whole book (took me days plus spell check). the story about the yogi who went into a long nirvikalpa samadhi and emerged with the same annoying thought after years tells long about vasanas. i would finally say that the difference is like a horse seen here at rest and there jumping, it's still the same horse... what do you say? eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 , "eric paroissien" <brahmanshines@a...> wrote: > greetings to all and happy new year to those i didn't have the > pleasure to drink champagne with! > on a search for "vasanas and samskaras" on the net i came back more > confused than i started: > "latent tendencies" could define both, and samskaras would be more > actualized or acted on (i'm not sure); i didn't find nothing > in "Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi" that i have now on a single > browsable 3k file after scanning the whole book (took me days plus > spell check). > the story about the yogi who went into a long nirvikalpa samadhi and > emerged with the same annoying thought after years tells long about > vasanas. > i would finally say that the difference is like a horse seen here at > rest and there jumping, it's still the same horse... > what do you say? > eric Namaste Eric, The same Eric from sb sites? and house of blues?.........ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 On 1/11/04 at 4:16 PM eric paroissien wrote: ºgreetings to all and happy new year to those i didn't have the ºpleasure to drink champagne with! ºon a search for "vasanas and samskaras" on the net i came back more ºconfused than i started: º"latent tendencies" could define both, and samskaras would be more ºactualized or acted on (i'm not sure); i didn't find nothing ºin "Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi" that i have now on a single ºbrowsable 3k file after scanning the whole book (took me days plus ºspell check). ºthe story about the yogi who went into a long nirvikalpa samadhi and ºemerged with the same annoying thought after years tells long about ºvasanas. ºi would finally say that the difference is like a horse seen here at ºrest and there jumping, it's still the same horse... ºwhat do you say? ºeric Hi Eric, All samadhis can be described as partial suspensions of the total of human functioning, (that includes breathing, heartbeat, digestion etc.). Mahasamadhi then, the complete and final suspension. Latent tendencies are a subset of tendencies and some of them are hardwired. Looking up definitions, in classical yoga, vasanas (subliminal activators) are considered linked, like beads on a string. (it doesn't mention that the string linking them is the sense of "i") The same dictionary gives for samskara: activator. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 , "ecirada" <ecirada> wrote: > On 1/11/04 at 4:16 PM eric paroissien wrote: > > ºgreetings to all and happy new year to those i didn't have the > ºpleasure to drink champagne with! > ºon a search for "vasanas and samskaras" on the net i came back more > ºconfused than i started: > º"latent tendencies" could define both, and samskaras would be more > ºactualized or acted on (i'm not sure); i didn't find nothing > ºin "Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi" that i have now on a single > ºbrowsable 3k file after scanning the whole book (took me days plus > ºspell check). > ºthe story about the yogi who went into a long nirvikalpa samadhi and > ºemerged with the same annoying thought after years tells long about > ºvasanas. > ºi would finally say that the difference is like a horse seen here at > ºrest and there jumping, it's still the same horse... > ºwhat do you say? > ºeric > > Hi Eric, > > All samadhis can be described as partial suspensions of the total of human functioning, > (that includes breathing, heartbeat, digestion etc.). > Mahasamadhi then, the complete and final suspension. > Latent tendencies are a subset of tendencies and some of them are hardwired. > > Looking up definitions, in classical yoga, vasanas (subliminal activators) are considered > linked, like beads on a string. > (it doesn't mention that the string linking them is the sense of "i") > The same dictionary gives for samskara: activator. > > Jan hi Jan, i'm still "working" exactly on what you gave me months ago "observe unease as it arises" (my clumsy interpretation and quote); because: 1. being in bliss most of the time, there is little salient or negative to work on; it could be confused with some happy torpor because avidya is obvious (no pun) but availability/responsiveness to outer/social demand or internal stimuli and regular daily moments of high pressure light make it more like kundalini working something somehow at a biological level; 2. no type of vichara or meditation makes sense, it is all a big joke; even when "achieving" concentration on the breath, breathing in for 30sec, then out for 30sec, for half an hour, the mind powerfully buzzing in the background is gigantic (Annapurna) and for sure no one can quieten THAT; well, life is fun and some vasana tells me that i "should" 'do' something for liberation, to stir it with a spoon, but the fire is under the casserole anyway. :-) eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 , "eric paroissien" <brahmanshines@a...> wrote: > , "ecirada" <ecirada> wrote: > > On 1/11/04 at 4:16 PM eric paroissien wrote: > > > > ºgreetings to all and happy new year to those i didn't have the > > ºpleasure to drink champagne with! > > ºon a search for "vasanas and samskaras" on the net i came back > more > > ºconfused than i started: > > º"latent tendencies" could define both, and samskaras would be more > > ºactualized or acted on (i'm not sure); i didn't find nothing > > ºin "Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi" that i have now on a single > > ºbrowsable 3k file after scanning the whole book (took me days plus > > ºspell check). > > ºthe story about the yogi who went into a long nirvikalpa samadhi > and > > ºemerged with the same annoying thought after years tells long > about > > ºvasanas. > > ºi would finally say that the difference is like a horse seen here > at > > ºrest and there jumping, it's still the same horse... > > ºwhat do you say? > > ºeric > > > > Hi Eric, > > > > All samadhis can be described as partial suspensions of the total > of human functioning, > > (that includes breathing, heartbeat, digestion etc.). > > Mahasamadhi then, the complete and final suspension. > > Latent tendencies are a subset of tendencies and some of them are > hardwired. > > > > Looking up definitions, in classical yoga, vasanas (subliminal > activators) are considered > > linked, like beads on a string. > > (it doesn't mention that the string linking them is the sense > of "i") > > The same dictionary gives for samskara: activator. > > > > Jan > > hi Jan, > i'm still "working" exactly on what you gave me months ago "observe > unease as it arises" (my clumsy interpretation and quote); because: > 1. being in bliss most of the time, there is little salient or > negative to work on; it could be confused with some happy torpor > because avidya is obvious (no pun) but availability/responsiveness to > outer/social demand or internal stimuli and regular daily moments of > high pressure light make it more like kundalini working something > somehow at a biological level; > 2. no type of vichara or meditation makes sense, it is all a big > joke; even when "achieving" concentration on the breath, breathing in > for 30sec, then out for 30sec, for half an hour, the mind powerfully > buzzing in the background is gigantic (Annapurna) and for sure no one > can quieten THAT; > well, life is fun and some vasana tells me that i "should" 'do' > something for liberation, to stir it with a spoon, but the fire is > under the casserole anyway. > :-) > eric then reading again your definition, it might be that only the hardwired vasanas are confronted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 On 1/11/04 at 10:58 PM eric paroissien wrote: º, "ecirada" <ecirada> wrote: º> On 1/11/04 at 4:16 PM eric paroissien wrote: º> º> ºgreetings to all and happy new year to those i didn't have the º> ºpleasure to drink champagne with! º> ºon a search for "vasanas and samskaras" on the net i came back ºmore º> ºconfused than i started: º> º"latent tendencies" could define both, and samskaras would be more º> ºactualized or acted on (i'm not sure); i didn't find nothing º> ºin "Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi" that i have now on a single º> ºbrowsable 3k file after scanning the whole book (took me days plus º> ºspell check). º> ºthe story about the yogi who went into a long nirvikalpa samadhi ºand º> ºemerged with the same annoying thought after years tells long ºabout º> ºvasanas. º> ºi would finally say that the difference is like a horse seen here ºat º> ºrest and there jumping, it's still the same horse... º> ºwhat do you say? º> ºeric º> º> Hi Eric, º> º> All samadhis can be described as partial suspensions of the total ºof human functioning, º> (that includes breathing, heartbeat, digestion etc.). º> Mahasamadhi then, the complete and final suspension. º> Latent tendencies are a subset of tendencies and some of them are ºhardwired. º> º> Looking up definitions, in classical yoga, vasanas (subliminal ºactivators) are considered º> linked, like beads on a string. º> (it doesn't mention that the string linking them is the sense ºof "i") º> The same dictionary gives for samskara: activator. º> º> Jan º ºhi Jan, ºi'm still "working" exactly on what you gave me months ago "observe ºunease as it arises" (my clumsy interpretation and quote); because: º1. being in bliss most of the time, there is little salient or ºnegative to work on; it could be confused with some happy torpor ºbecause avidya is obvious (no pun) but availability/responsiveness to ºouter/social demand or internal stimuli and regular daily moments of ºhigh pressure light make it more like kundalini working something ºsomehow at a biological level; º2. no type of vichara or meditation makes sense, it is all a big ºjoke; even when "achieving" concentration on the breath, breathing in ºfor 30sec, then out for 30sec, for half an hour, the mind powerfully ºbuzzing in the background is gigantic (Annapurna) and for sure no one ºcan quieten THAT; ºwell, life is fun and some vasana tells me that i "should" 'do' ºsomething for liberation, to stir it with a spoon, but the fire is ºunder the casserole anyway. º:-) ºeric Hi Eric, After apperception, when events hint at what is labeled "awakened K.", the only concern is to know what happened: there's a surplus of energy directed to dissolve / burn out (pick the term) those pesky vasanas. Hence no need for practices, other than keep up the surplus of life energy. As a rule, the process is quite blissful, at times it can feel a bit uncomfortable (coinciding with what in K. yoga are called "knots"). The samadhis will come and go by themselves, as side-effects. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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