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> What did you have for dinner?

 

Jim & Kheyala: LOL :)

 

My favorite. Succulent, baked-to-perfection, organic, cage-free

chicken with a large, steaming pile of fresh organic veggies. And

then some dried (unsulphured) mangoes and apricots for dessert.

 

What did you have?

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Sam <S.Pasiencier@p...> wrote:

> What did you have for dinner?

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> kheyalove

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> Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:57 AM

> Re: What is Love? (for Tony) P.S.

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> (Mmmm, that was good. :)

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> P.S.

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> We can never, ever *get* there... because we already and

eternally

> *are* the "there." We *are* Thereness.

>

>

> So there!

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> :)

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/join

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> "Love itself is the actual form of God."

>

> Sri Ramana

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> In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

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, "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...>

wrote:

> > What did you have for dinner?

>

> Jim & Kheyala: LOL :)

>

> My favorite. Succulent, baked-to-perfection, organic, cage-free

> chicken with a large, steaming pile of fresh organic veggies. And

> then some dried (unsulphured) mangoes and apricots for dessert.

>

> What did you have?

 

Namaste.

 

Becoming a vege may help you.......ONS..Tony.

Many argue that we need meat for proteins.The humble soya can supply

most dietary needs contained in meat.Also it takes 8kg of grain to

produce 1/2kg of beef;a waste of food resources on a hungry

planet.At the present time 3% of Canadians ,6% of Americans and 15%

of British are vegetarians.The Indian percentage would be much

higher no doubt.

 

Meat eating leads to rajasic and tamasic tendencies but a sathwic

diet consisting of vegetables,except onions,garlic chillies etc,will

be conducive to a peaceful mind.

 

As Dr.Albert Schweitzer tells us:

 

"I cannot but have reverence for all that is called life.I cannot

avoid compassion for everything that is called life.That is the

beginning of morality.Once a man has experienced it and continues to

do so he/she is ethical.He carries morality within him/her and can

never lose it,for it continues to develop within him.He who has

never experienced this has only a set of superficial principles.

 

These theories have no root in him,they do not belong to him,and

they fall off him......Reverence for life comprises the whole ethic

of love in its deepest and highest sense.It is the source of

constant renewal for the individual and for mankind.(Respect for

life is compassion,which is a prerequisite for understanding.)

 

(Scheitzer pp 116-177) (1)

 

Ghandiji said;"Cow protection is to me one of the most wonderful

phenomena in human evolution. It takes the human being beyond his

species.The cow to me means the entire subhuman world.Man through

the cow is enjoined to realise his identity with all that

lives...She is the mother to millions of Indian(and others),mankind

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, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

wrote:

> , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...>

> wrote:

> > > What did you have for dinner?

> >

> > Jim & Kheyala: LOL :)

> >

> > My favorite. Succulent, baked-to-perfection, organic, cage-free

> > chicken with a large, steaming pile of fresh organic veggies.

And

> > then some dried (unsulphured) mangoes and apricots for dessert.

> >

> > What did you have?

>

> Namaste.

>

> Becoming a vege may help you.......ONS..Tony.

> Many argue that we need meat for proteins.The humble soya can

supply

> most dietary needs contained in meat.Also it takes 8kg of grain to

> produce 1/2kg of beef;a waste of food resources on a hungry

> planet.At the present time 3% of Canadians ,6% of Americans and

15%

> of British are vegetarians.The Indian percentage would be much

> higher no doubt.

>

> Meat eating leads to rajasic and tamasic tendencies but a sathwic

> diet consisting of vegetables,except onions,garlic chillies

etc,will

> be conducive to a peaceful mind.

>

> As Dr.Albert Schweitzer tells us:

>

> "I cannot but have reverence for all that is called life.I cannot

> avoid compassion for everything that is called life.That is the

> beginning of morality.Once a man has experienced it and continues

to

> do so he/she is ethical.He carries morality within him/her and can

> never lose it,for it continues to develop within him.He who has

> never experienced this has only a set of superficial principles.

>

> These theories have no root in him,they do not belong to him,and

> they fall off him......Reverence for life comprises the whole

ethic

> of love in its deepest and highest sense.It is the source of

> constant renewal for the individual and for mankind.(Respect for

> life is compassion,which is a prerequisite for understanding.)

>

> (Scheitzer pp 116-177) (1)

>

> Ghandiji said;"Cow protection is to me one of the most wonderful

> phenomena in human evolution. It takes the human being beyond his

> species.The cow to me means the entire subhuman world.Man through

> the cow is enjoined to realise his identity with all that

> lives...She is the mother to millions of Indian(and

others),mankind.

 

 

http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/AhimsaVegetarianism.htm

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, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

wrote:

> , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...>

> wrote:

> > > What did you have for dinner?

> >

> > Jim & Kheyala: LOL :)

> >

> > My favorite. Succulent, baked-to-perfection, organic, cage-free

> > chicken with a large, steaming pile of fresh organic veggies.

And

> > then some dried (unsulphured) mangoes and apricots for dessert.

> >

> > What did you have?

>

> Namaste.

>

> Becoming a vege may help you.......ONS..Tony.

> Many argue that we need meat for proteins.The humble soya can

supply

> most dietary needs contained in meat.Also it takes 8kg of grain to

> produce 1/2kg of beef;a waste of food resources on a hungry

> planet.At the present time 3% of Canadians ,6% of Americans and 15%

> of British are vegetarians.The Indian percentage would be much

> higher no doubt.

>

> Meat eating leads to rajasic and tamasic tendencies but a sathwic

> diet consisting of vegetables,except onions,garlic chillies

etc,will

> be conducive to a peaceful mind.

>

> As Dr.Albert Schweitzer tells us:

>

> "I cannot but have reverence for all that is called life.I cannot

> avoid compassion for everything that is called life.That is the

> beginning of morality.Once a man has experienced it and continues

to

> do so he/she is ethical.He carries morality within him/her and can

> never lose it,for it continues to develop within him.He who has

> never experienced this has only a set of superficial principles.

>

> These theories have no root in him,they do not belong to him,and

> they fall off him......Reverence for life comprises the whole ethic

> of love in its deepest and highest sense.It is the source of

> constant renewal for the individual and for mankind.(Respect for

> life is compassion,which is a prerequisite for understanding.)

>

> (Scheitzer pp 116-177) (1)

>

> Ghandiji said;"Cow protection is to me one of the most wonderful

> phenomena in human evolution. It takes the human being beyond his

> species.The cow to me means the entire subhuman world.Man through

> the cow is enjoined to realise his identity with all that

> lives...She is the mother to millions of Indian(and others),mankind

 

 

 

Tonyji, with all due respect, you are SOOOOOOOOOO predictable!

 

Doesn't that give you an indication as to where all your decades of

accumulated data is coming from?

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, "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...>

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> Doesn't that give you an indication as to where all your decades of

> accumulated data is coming from?

 

Your BUTT!!!

 

Oh my gosh, Tony!! Are you having deja vu? Back in the summer of

2001 when I first discovered and , I got in

trouble with the moderator because I was feeling feisty one day and I

told you that everything you were saying may have been "correct" but

that it was hard to take you seriously because it was all coming out

of your butt!

 

Here it is, all these years later... and have we changed at all???

 

*laugh*

 

Oh, isn't that so funny?!

 

Life can be such a hoot!!!

 

Feeling silly and hooting,

 

Kheyala

 

P.S. ...are you already typing up another warning, Bruce? :)

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Go kheyalove!

WW

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kheyalove

Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:55 AM

Re: What is Love? P.S. (Sam)

, "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...>

wrote: > > Doesn't that give you an indication as to where all your

decades of > accumulated data is coming from?Your BUTT!!!Oh my gosh,

Tony!! Are you having deja vu? Back in the summer of 2001 when I

first discovered and , I got in trouble

with the moderator because I was feeling feisty one day and I told

you that everything you were saying may have been "correct" but that

it was hard to take you seriously because it was all coming out of

your butt!Here it is, all these years later... and have we changed at

all???*laugh*Oh, isn't that so funny?! Life can be such a

hoot!!!Feeling silly and hooting,KheyalaP.S. ...are you already

typing up another warning, Bruce?

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, "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...>

wrote:

> , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Doesn't that give you an indication as to where all your decades

of

> > accumulated data is coming from?

>

> Your BUTT!!!

Namaste Kheyala,

 

Charming!!!come home and meet mother.........ONS...Tony

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, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

wrote:

> , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...>

> wrote:

> > , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Doesn't that give you an indication as to where all your

decades

> of

> > > accumulated data is coming from?

> >

> > Your BUTT!!!

> Namaste Kheyala,

>

> Charming!!!come home and meet mother.........ONS...Tony

 

 

*LOL*

 

Okay!!

 

Pranams, Tony. It's been fun! :)

 

Love,

Kheyala

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Dear Tony and everyONE,

 

 

--- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote:

> , "kheyalove"

> <kheyala@n...>

> wrote:

> > > What did you have for dinner?

> >

> > Jim & Kheyala: LOL :)

> >

> > My favorite. Succulent, baked-to-perfection,

> organic, cage-free

> > chicken with a large, steaming pile of fresh

> organic veggies. And

> > then some dried (unsulphured) mangoes and apricots

> for dessert.

> >

SNIP

> Becoming a vege may help you.......ONS..Tony.

 

Maybe yes, maybe no!!!

 

 

SNIP

 

> Meat eating leads to rajasic and tamasic tendencies

> but a sathwic

> diet consisting of vegetables,except onions,garlic

> chillies etc,will

> be conducive to a peaceful mind.

 

How do you know that?

 

> As Dr.Albert Schweitzer tells us:

>

> "I cannot but have reverence for all that is called

> life.I cannot

> avoid compassion for everything that is called

> life.

 

Dr. Schweitzer makes an excellent point when he says

"I cannot but have reverence for all that is called

life." Plants are life too. There is a most

wonderful book entitled the "Secret Life of Plants" by

Peter Tomkins and Christopher Byrd (Bird?). I first

read this book about 30 years ago. It was and still

is one of the most fascinating books that I ever read.

It probably influenced me MORE than any other book

I've ever read in my life. I think that if a person

read this book, most people would recognize the highly

advanced consciousness that plants enjoy. They

actually seem to be more advanced in consciousness

than humans. They know your thoughts and they know

what kind of person that you are. They also know your

your thoughts and your intentions. They can become

afraid when they know that their end is near, just

like an animal or human.

 

After reading this book, I could no longer believe

that it is anymore OK to kill a plant than an animal.

But both have to die (If you believe in death) for

others to live. That is nature's way. I simply try

to take my meals with an attitude of gratitude for the

life that was sacrificed for me. Life comes only from

Life.

 

SNIP

 

Love,

 

michael

 

 

 

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, Michael Bowes

<rmichaelbowes> wrote:

> Dear Tony and everyONE,

>

>

> --- Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote:

> > , "kheyalove"

> > <kheyala@n...>

> > wrote:

> > > > What did you have for dinner?

> > >

> > > Jim & Kheyala: LOL :)

> > >

> > > My favorite. Succulent, baked-to-perfection,

> > organic, cage-free

> > > chicken with a large, steaming pile of fresh

> > organic veggies. And

> > > then some dried (unsulphured) mangoes and apricots

> > for dessert.

> > >

> SNIP

>

> > Becoming a vege may help you.......ONS..Tony.

>

> Maybe yes, maybe no!!!

>

>

> SNIP

>

>

> > Meat eating leads to rajasic and tamasic tendencies

> > but a sathwic

> > diet consisting of vegetables,except onions,garlic

> > chillies etc,will

> > be conducive to a peaceful mind.

>

> How do you know that?

>

>

> > As Dr.Albert Schweitzer tells us:

> >

> > "I cannot but have reverence for all that is called

> > life.I cannot

> > avoid compassion for everything that is called

> > life.

>

> Dr. Schweitzer makes an excellent point when he says

> "I cannot but have reverence for all that is called

> life." Plants are life too. There is a most

> wonderful book entitled the "Secret Life of Plants" by

> Peter Tomkins and Christopher Byrd (Bird?). I first

> read this book about 30 years ago. It was and still

> is one of the most fascinating books that I ever read.

> It probably influenced me MORE than any other book

> I've ever read in my life. I think that if a person

> read this book, most people would recognize the highly

> advanced consciousness that plants enjoy. They

> actually seem to be more advanced in consciousness

> than humans. They know your thoughts and they know

> what kind of person that you are. They also know your

> your thoughts and your intentions. They can become

> afraid when they know that their end is near, just

> like an animal or human.

>

> After reading this book, I could no longer believe

> that it is anymore OK to kill a plant than an animal.

> But both have to die (If you believe in death) for

> others to live. That is nature's way. I simply try

> to take my meals with an attitude of gratitude for the

> life that was sacrificed for me. Life comes only from

> Life.

>

> SNIP

>

> Love,

>

> michael

Namaste,

 

One can only do one's best, but it better be one's best and not a

rationalisation. Plants react to consciousness but as they don't

have the same developed nervous system as animals they don't react

the same way to pain. Yes I have that book as well, I think they

bought the movie rights as well. Also chekc out Bose.

I notive that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like Ramana

don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an Ego addiction

that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..Tony

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<snip>

> I notice that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like Ramana

> don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an Ego

addiction

> that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..Tony

 

 

No Jivanmukta, including Ramana, ever said, "Be like me."

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, "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...>

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> , "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

> wrote:

>

> <snip>

>

> > I notice that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like Ramana

> > don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an Ego

> addiction

> > that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..Tony

>

>

> No Jivanmukta, including Ramana, ever said, "Be like me."

 

and on the right side of your message there was a big advertizing pic

saying "eat what you like", with a pic of roast meat! :-))))

eric

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wrote:

> , "Tony OClery"

<aoclery>

> wrote:

>

> <snip>

>

> > I notice that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like Ramana

> > don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an Ego

> addiction

> > that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..Tony

>

>

> No Jivanmukta, including Ramana, ever said, "Be like me."

 

Namaste,

 

They don't have to their life is their message. Ahimsa is a

necessity.....ONS..Tony

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, "eric paroissien"

<brahmanshines@a...> wrote:

> , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...>

> wrote:

> > , "Tony OClery"

<aoclery>

> > wrote:

> >

> > <snip>

> >

> > > I notice that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like

Ramana

> > > don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an Ego

> > addiction

> > > that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..Tony

> >

> >

> > No Jivanmukta, including Ramana, ever said, "Be like me."

>

> and on the right side of your message there was a big advertizing

pic

> saying "eat what you like", with a pic of roast meat! :-))))

> eric

 

Namaste,

There is no difference between roast animal and roast

human....ONS..Tony

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, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

wrote:

> , "eric paroissien"

> <brahmanshines@a...> wrote:

> > , "kheyalove"

<kheyala@n...>

> > wrote:

> > > , "Tony OClery"

> <aoclery>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > <snip>

> > >

> > > > I notice that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like

> Ramana

> > > > don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an Ego

> > > addiction

> > > > that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..> > >

> > >

> > > No Jivanmukta, including Ramana, ever said, "Be like me."

> >

> > and on the right side of your message there was a big

advertizing

> pic

> > saying "eat what you like", with a pic of roast meat! :-))))

> > eric

>

> Namaste,

> There is no difference between roast animal and roast

> human....ONS..Tony

 

 

Come to America.

Roast animal is leaner. :)

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, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

wrote:

> , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...>

> wrote:

> > , "Tony OClery"

> <aoclery>

> > wrote:

> >

> > <snip>

> >

> > > I notice that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like Ramana

> > > don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an Ego

> > addiction

> > > that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..Tony

> >

> >

> > No Jivanmukta, including Ramana, ever said, "Be like me."

>

> Namaste,

>

> They don't have to their life is their message. Ahimsa is a

> necessity.....ONS..Tony

 

 

Ahimsa is who one *is*, not what one *does*.

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, "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...>

wrote:

> , "Tony OClery"

<aoclery>

> wrote:

> > , "kheyalove"

<kheyala@n...>

> > wrote:

> > > , "Tony OClery"

> > <aoclery>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > <snip>

> > >

> > > > I notice that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like

Ramana

> > > > don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an Ego

> > > addiction

> > > > that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..> > >

> > >

> > > No Jivanmukta, including Ramana, ever said, "Be like me."

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > They don't have to their life is their message. Ahimsa is a

> > necessity.....ONS..Tony

>

>

> Ahimsa is who one *is*, not what one *does*.

 

Namaste,

In relativity doing and being are the same thing.........ONS..Tony

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Tony wrote I notice that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like

Ramana don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an Ego

addiction that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..Chris writes.

Namaste Tony et all

 

Not wanting to get into the vegetatrian versus meat eaters. Lord knows

we have been through it enough.

What I would like to say is that God- realization is not an exclusive club.

I am sure that many Red-Indians, Aboriginies and virtually all colours

cultures and nationalities have some Sages who are God-realized. The

Red-Indians and Aborigines lived very much in tune with nature and

thanked what ever food came there way.

 

It is too easy to fall into the trap of concepts particularly on the spiritual path.

 

As I have said before Ramana and Eckhart Tolle had similar awakenings

and both spent a period in solitude after the event though they are

some differences in the way that that presented itself. Eckhart in

particular had no previous knowledge of the spiritual. It was his

destiny to become enlightened.

 

Ramana and quite a few others who were God Realized died of cancer is

that also to be aimed for in the quest for Realization? of course

not. Being a vegetarian is a product of DNA genes and up todate

conditioning it is only coincidental IMHO that some much revered

Enlightened ones are. (I am happy to be a vegetarian but I am not one

of knowers of Truth)

 

Ramesh who is very highly thought of as an Enlightened Sage cleared

away the need for a lot of concepts for me. There is no technique,

dont do or got to do, that can lead to Realization as that is by the

grace of God. It cant be earned. You can prepare the ground though

but even that is your destiny according to Cosmic Law and the will of

God.

You cant give up on ego addiction. It may seem that you are sucessfull

in disolving some of the egoic ways but essentially who is the doer?

 

Ramesh maintains that every problem is caused by the belief that "I am the doer"

even release from that belief (inellectually) is the will of God and

possibly thereafter the job is complete by God.

Ramesh maintains that the ego is Divine hypnosis so that we are led

into believing that we are seperate me's and obviously there is the

other. Only God can disolve the ego.

However we are in this world and we must act as though we have complete freedom of will.

I dont follow any particular teacher though I agree with Ramesh that

every teaching that any sage has ever taught is a concept, it is not

the Truth. The moment you speak of Truth it becomes a concept which

is somthing some can accept and some can not.

 

I accept that what I have written is a concept and as such cant

possibly be the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me G

etc. Smiling.

With respect or all paths beliefs and concepts.

chris

PS Eckhart says "Dont take your mind too seriously."

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, "AnneChris" <am009a8716@b...>

wrote:

>

> Tony wrote

> I notice that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like

> Ramana don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an

Ego addiction

> that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..>

> Chris writes.

> Namaste Tony et all

>

> Not wanting to get into the vegetatrian versus meat eaters. Lord

knows we have been through it enough.

> What I would like to say is that God- realization is not an

exclusive club.

> I am sure that many Red-Indians, Aboriginies and virtually all

colours cultures and nationalities have some Sages who are God-

realized. The Red-Indians and Aborigines lived very much in tune

with nature and thanked what ever food came there way.

 

Namaste,

 

Tolle lives here locally and I don't see how making money is

regarded as enlightened. Ramesh Balsakar is another plagiarist as

far as I can see. Ramana I do regard as a Jivanmukta though.

Primitive tribes had trouble in achieving moksha for they

essentially worshipped the astral plane. Very few Sages have really

ever existed, to paraphrase Maharaj only one in ten million can even

understand non-duality intellectually let alone realise

it....ONS..Tony.

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Dear Tony and ALL,

 

 

--- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote:

> , "AnneChris"

> <am009a8716@b...>

> wrote:

 

SNIP

 

> to paraphrase Maharaj only one in ten

> million can even

> understand non-duality intellectually let alone

> realise

> it....ONS..Tony.

>

 

 

Tony please forgive me for disagreeing with you and

"Maharaj"; but nobody understands "non-duality

intellectually". IT cannot be "understood" because IT

transcends the mind. IT can only be "realized" not

"understood".

 

Love,

 

michael

 

 

 

 

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, Michael Bowes

<rmichaelbowes> wrote:

> Dear Tony and ALL,

>

>

> --- Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote:

> > , "AnneChris"

> > <am009a8716@b...>

> > wrote:

>

> SNIP

>

>

> > to paraphrase Maharaj only one in ten

> > million can even

> > understand non-duality intellectually let alone

> > realise

> > it....ONS..Tony.

> >

>

>

> Tony please forgive me for disagreeing with you and

> "Maharaj"; but nobody understands "non-duality

> intellectually". IT cannot be "understood" because IT

> transcends the mind. IT can only be "realized" not

> "understood".

>

> Love,

>

> michael

\Namaste,

 

Semantics Michael, this discussion group wouldn't work without them.

Maharaj's statement has validity for it is the mind that does the

initial work in the form or the vijnanamayakosa.......ONS..Tony

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----- Tolle lives here locally and I don't see how making money is

regarded as enlightened. Ramesh Balsakar is another plagiarist as far

as I can see. Ramana I do regard as a Jivanmukta though. Primitive

tribes had trouble in achieving moksha for they essentially

worshipped the astral plane. Very few Sages have really ever existed,

to paraphrase Maharaj only one in ten million can even understand

non-duality intellectually let alone realise it....ONS..Tony.Dear

Tony

I respect you, your opinion and your knowledge and I agree that

very few have flowered into their true potential ie God -realization

..

 

Please clarify for me.

 

Are you saying that Eckhart is not enlightened because he is making money, similarly Ramesh?

There is no doubt they do make money.

You dont know what hapens to the money when it is made and of course money is consciousness too.

Eckhart had no need to become a Guru in order to make money he had a

sucessfull career ahead of him certainly no need to quit that and sit

on a park bench for two years. his enlightenment came at the age of 30

he is in his 50s now so its not exactly an overnight sucess.

Maharaj was Rameshes Guru and told Ramesh to teach on two occasions before he started his work.

If Maharaj accepted that Ramesh is enlightened thats good enough for me.

Eckhart visited Ramana's ashram and was accepted there as an

enlightened teacher, its on the Eckhart Tolle web site. The sage

can not help but teach its in the nature of the enlightened to do so,

he ( the sage) is not concerned whether money comes or not. Because

there is a change in attitude to the spiritual teachings and surely

this is a good thing, it is true that money flows to the modern Sages

and yes some are not genuine and just in it for the money but this is

not true of all.

I have a great respect for the teaching of Ramana and Maharaj they

were of their time and not to be discounted in anyway however we seem

to be entering into a further stage of human evolution where

enlightenment is possible for more than just the few who have made it

"accross the river" so far.

As you pointed out Raman has merged with source and teachers of, dare

I say it similar calibre, are needed now more than ever.

 

Have you read any of Rameshes books Tony?

Even if you dissagree with his concepts there is a lot of knowledge in them.

"The Ultimate Understanding" is an amazing book possibly on a par

with "I am That"

By the way Maharaj was not inclined to give up smoking which could be

considered not a good example for an enlightened being to give.

 

I hope you are not taking any of this too seriously Tony ( grining )

Its just consciouness at play

Namaste

Chris

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NonDuality can be "understood" intellectually i f

"you" have already touched a certain level intuitively.

I call this "higher knowledge" - it cannot be attained thru books.

All the best

michael bindel

>Michael Bowes

> >To:

>Re: Re:

What is Love? P.S. (Sam) >Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:18:33 -0800

(PST) > >Dear Tony and ALL, > > >--- Tony OClery wrote: > > --- In

, "AnneChris" > >

> > wrote: > >SNIP > > > > to paraphrase Maharaj only one in ten > >

million can even > > understand non-duality intellectually let alone

> > realise > > it....ONS..Tony. > > > > >Tony please forgive me for

disagreeing with you and >"Maharaj"; but nobody understands

"non-duality >intellectually". IT cannot be "understood" because IT

>transcends the mind. IT can only be "realized" not >"understood". >

>Love, > >michael > > > >Do you

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, "AnneChris" <am009a8716@b...>

wrote:

>

> ----- Tolle lives here locally and I don't see how making money

is

> regarded as enlightened. Ramesh Balsakar is another plagiarist

as

> far as I can see. Ramana I do regard as a Jivanmukta though.

> Primitive tribes had trouble in achieving moksha for they

> essentially worshipped the astral plane. Very few Sages have

really

> ever existed, to paraphrase Maharaj only one in ten million can

even

> understand non-duality intellectually let alone realise

> it....ONS..Tony.

>

> Dear > I respect you, your opinion and your knowledge and I agree

that very few have flowered into their true potential ie God -

realization .

>

> Please clarify for me.

>

> Are you saying that Eckhart is not enlightened because he is

making money, similarly Ramesh?

> There is no doubt they do make money.

> You dont know what hapens to the money when it is made and of

course money is consciousness too.

> Eckhart had no need to become a Guru in order to make money he

had a sucessfull career ahead of him certainly no need to quit that

and sit on a park bench for two years. his enlightenment came at the

age of 30 he is in his 50s now so its not exactly an overnight

sucess.

 

Namaste,

 

I question their 'enlightenment', in other words I do not believe

that either of them is a Jivanmukta, which is what enlightenment

is...They mostly regurgitate.ONS..Tony

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, "MICHAEL BINDEL"

<michael_bindel@h...> wrote:

>

 

Namaste,All.

 

I have long since given up reading books on the subject. Pardon my

blunt nature.........It is 'confrontational yoga'....a provocation

to think or leave one's comfortable equilibrium.......Love and Om

Namah Sivaya to all........Tony.

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