Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 > What did you have for dinner? Jim & Kheyala: LOL My favorite. Succulent, baked-to-perfection, organic, cage-free chicken with a large, steaming pile of fresh organic veggies. And then some dried (unsulphured) mangoes and apricots for dessert. What did you have? , Sam <S.Pasiencier@p...> wrote: > What did you have for dinner? > - > kheyalove > > Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:57 AM > Re: What is Love? (for Tony) P.S. > > > (Mmmm, that was good. > > P.S. > > We can never, ever *get* there... because we already and eternally > *are* the "there." We *are* Thereness. > > > So there! > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > -- ---------- > Links > > > / > > b.. > > > c.. Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...> wrote: > > What did you have for dinner? > > Jim & Kheyala: LOL > > My favorite. Succulent, baked-to-perfection, organic, cage-free > chicken with a large, steaming pile of fresh organic veggies. And > then some dried (unsulphured) mangoes and apricots for dessert. > > What did you have? Namaste. Becoming a vege may help you.......ONS..Tony. Many argue that we need meat for proteins.The humble soya can supply most dietary needs contained in meat.Also it takes 8kg of grain to produce 1/2kg of beef;a waste of food resources on a hungry planet.At the present time 3% of Canadians ,6% of Americans and 15% of British are vegetarians.The Indian percentage would be much higher no doubt. Meat eating leads to rajasic and tamasic tendencies but a sathwic diet consisting of vegetables,except onions,garlic chillies etc,will be conducive to a peaceful mind. As Dr.Albert Schweitzer tells us: "I cannot but have reverence for all that is called life.I cannot avoid compassion for everything that is called life.That is the beginning of morality.Once a man has experienced it and continues to do so he/she is ethical.He carries morality within him/her and can never lose it,for it continues to develop within him.He who has never experienced this has only a set of superficial principles. These theories have no root in him,they do not belong to him,and they fall off him......Reverence for life comprises the whole ethic of love in its deepest and highest sense.It is the source of constant renewal for the individual and for mankind.(Respect for life is compassion,which is a prerequisite for understanding.) (Scheitzer pp 116-177) (1) Ghandiji said;"Cow protection is to me one of the most wonderful phenomena in human evolution. It takes the human being beyond his species.The cow to me means the entire subhuman world.Man through the cow is enjoined to realise his identity with all that lives...She is the mother to millions of Indian(and others),mankind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...> > wrote: > > > What did you have for dinner? > > > > Jim & Kheyala: LOL > > > > My favorite. Succulent, baked-to-perfection, organic, cage-free > > chicken with a large, steaming pile of fresh organic veggies. And > > then some dried (unsulphured) mangoes and apricots for dessert. > > > > What did you have? > > Namaste. > > Becoming a vege may help you.......ONS..Tony. > Many argue that we need meat for proteins.The humble soya can supply > most dietary needs contained in meat.Also it takes 8kg of grain to > produce 1/2kg of beef;a waste of food resources on a hungry > planet.At the present time 3% of Canadians ,6% of Americans and 15% > of British are vegetarians.The Indian percentage would be much > higher no doubt. > > Meat eating leads to rajasic and tamasic tendencies but a sathwic > diet consisting of vegetables,except onions,garlic chillies etc,will > be conducive to a peaceful mind. > > As Dr.Albert Schweitzer tells us: > > "I cannot but have reverence for all that is called life.I cannot > avoid compassion for everything that is called life.That is the > beginning of morality.Once a man has experienced it and continues to > do so he/she is ethical.He carries morality within him/her and can > never lose it,for it continues to develop within him.He who has > never experienced this has only a set of superficial principles. > > These theories have no root in him,they do not belong to him,and > they fall off him......Reverence for life comprises the whole ethic > of love in its deepest and highest sense.It is the source of > constant renewal for the individual and for mankind.(Respect for > life is compassion,which is a prerequisite for understanding.) > > (Scheitzer pp 116-177) (1) > > Ghandiji said;"Cow protection is to me one of the most wonderful > phenomena in human evolution. It takes the human being beyond his > species.The cow to me means the entire subhuman world.Man through > the cow is enjoined to realise his identity with all that > lives...She is the mother to millions of Indian(and others),mankind. http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/AhimsaVegetarianism.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...> > wrote: > > > What did you have for dinner? > > > > Jim & Kheyala: LOL > > > > My favorite. Succulent, baked-to-perfection, organic, cage-free > > chicken with a large, steaming pile of fresh organic veggies. And > > then some dried (unsulphured) mangoes and apricots for dessert. > > > > What did you have? > > Namaste. > > Becoming a vege may help you.......ONS..Tony. > Many argue that we need meat for proteins.The humble soya can supply > most dietary needs contained in meat.Also it takes 8kg of grain to > produce 1/2kg of beef;a waste of food resources on a hungry > planet.At the present time 3% of Canadians ,6% of Americans and 15% > of British are vegetarians.The Indian percentage would be much > higher no doubt. > > Meat eating leads to rajasic and tamasic tendencies but a sathwic > diet consisting of vegetables,except onions,garlic chillies etc,will > be conducive to a peaceful mind. > > As Dr.Albert Schweitzer tells us: > > "I cannot but have reverence for all that is called life.I cannot > avoid compassion for everything that is called life.That is the > beginning of morality.Once a man has experienced it and continues to > do so he/she is ethical.He carries morality within him/her and can > never lose it,for it continues to develop within him.He who has > never experienced this has only a set of superficial principles. > > These theories have no root in him,they do not belong to him,and > they fall off him......Reverence for life comprises the whole ethic > of love in its deepest and highest sense.It is the source of > constant renewal for the individual and for mankind.(Respect for > life is compassion,which is a prerequisite for understanding.) > > (Scheitzer pp 116-177) (1) > > Ghandiji said;"Cow protection is to me one of the most wonderful > phenomena in human evolution. It takes the human being beyond his > species.The cow to me means the entire subhuman world.Man through > the cow is enjoined to realise his identity with all that > lives...She is the mother to millions of Indian(and others),mankind Tonyji, with all due respect, you are SOOOOOOOOOO predictable! Doesn't that give you an indication as to where all your decades of accumulated data is coming from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...> wrote: > > Doesn't that give you an indication as to where all your decades of > accumulated data is coming from? Your BUTT!!! Oh my gosh, Tony!! Are you having deja vu? Back in the summer of 2001 when I first discovered and , I got in trouble with the moderator because I was feeling feisty one day and I told you that everything you were saying may have been "correct" but that it was hard to take you seriously because it was all coming out of your butt! Here it is, all these years later... and have we changed at all??? *laugh* Oh, isn't that so funny?! Life can be such a hoot!!! Feeling silly and hooting, Kheyala P.S. ...are you already typing up another warning, Bruce? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Go kheyalove! WW - kheyalove Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:55 AM Re: What is Love? P.S. (Sam) , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...> wrote: > > Doesn't that give you an indication as to where all your decades of > accumulated data is coming from?Your BUTT!!!Oh my gosh, Tony!! Are you having deja vu? Back in the summer of 2001 when I first discovered and , I got in trouble with the moderator because I was feeling feisty one day and I told you that everything you were saying may have been "correct" but that it was hard to take you seriously because it was all coming out of your butt!Here it is, all these years later... and have we changed at all???*laugh*Oh, isn't that so funny?! Life can be such a hoot!!!Feeling silly and hooting,KheyalaP.S. ...are you already typing up another warning, Bruce? :)/join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma To visit your group on the web, go to:/ To from this group, send an email to: Your use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...> wrote: > , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...> > wrote: > > > > Doesn't that give you an indication as to where all your decades of > > accumulated data is coming from? > > Your BUTT!!! Namaste Kheyala, Charming!!!come home and meet mother.........ONS...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...> > wrote: > > , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Doesn't that give you an indication as to where all your decades > of > > > accumulated data is coming from? > > > > Your BUTT!!! > Namaste Kheyala, > > Charming!!!come home and meet mother.........ONS...Tony *LOL* Okay!! Pranams, Tony. It's been fun! Love, Kheyala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 Dear Tony and everyONE, --- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: > , "kheyalove" > <kheyala@n...> > wrote: > > > What did you have for dinner? > > > > Jim & Kheyala: LOL > > > > My favorite. Succulent, baked-to-perfection, > organic, cage-free > > chicken with a large, steaming pile of fresh > organic veggies. And > > then some dried (unsulphured) mangoes and apricots > for dessert. > > SNIP > Becoming a vege may help you.......ONS..Tony. Maybe yes, maybe no!!! SNIP > Meat eating leads to rajasic and tamasic tendencies > but a sathwic > diet consisting of vegetables,except onions,garlic > chillies etc,will > be conducive to a peaceful mind. How do you know that? > As Dr.Albert Schweitzer tells us: > > "I cannot but have reverence for all that is called > life.I cannot > avoid compassion for everything that is called > life. Dr. Schweitzer makes an excellent point when he says "I cannot but have reverence for all that is called life." Plants are life too. There is a most wonderful book entitled the "Secret Life of Plants" by Peter Tomkins and Christopher Byrd (Bird?). I first read this book about 30 years ago. It was and still is one of the most fascinating books that I ever read. It probably influenced me MORE than any other book I've ever read in my life. I think that if a person read this book, most people would recognize the highly advanced consciousness that plants enjoy. They actually seem to be more advanced in consciousness than humans. They know your thoughts and they know what kind of person that you are. They also know your your thoughts and your intentions. They can become afraid when they know that their end is near, just like an animal or human. After reading this book, I could no longer believe that it is anymore OK to kill a plant than an animal. But both have to die (If you believe in death) for others to live. That is nature's way. I simply try to take my meals with an attitude of gratitude for the life that was sacrificed for me. Life comes only from Life. SNIP Love, michael Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./signingbonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 , Michael Bowes <rmichaelbowes> wrote: > Dear Tony and everyONE, > > > --- Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote: > > , "kheyalove" > > <kheyala@n...> > > wrote: > > > > What did you have for dinner? > > > > > > Jim & Kheyala: LOL > > > > > > My favorite. Succulent, baked-to-perfection, > > organic, cage-free > > > chicken with a large, steaming pile of fresh > > organic veggies. And > > > then some dried (unsulphured) mangoes and apricots > > for dessert. > > > > SNIP > > > Becoming a vege may help you.......ONS..Tony. > > Maybe yes, maybe no!!! > > > SNIP > > > > Meat eating leads to rajasic and tamasic tendencies > > but a sathwic > > diet consisting of vegetables,except onions,garlic > > chillies etc,will > > be conducive to a peaceful mind. > > How do you know that? > > > > As Dr.Albert Schweitzer tells us: > > > > "I cannot but have reverence for all that is called > > life.I cannot > > avoid compassion for everything that is called > > life. > > Dr. Schweitzer makes an excellent point when he says > "I cannot but have reverence for all that is called > life." Plants are life too. There is a most > wonderful book entitled the "Secret Life of Plants" by > Peter Tomkins and Christopher Byrd (Bird?). I first > read this book about 30 years ago. It was and still > is one of the most fascinating books that I ever read. > It probably influenced me MORE than any other book > I've ever read in my life. I think that if a person > read this book, most people would recognize the highly > advanced consciousness that plants enjoy. They > actually seem to be more advanced in consciousness > than humans. They know your thoughts and they know > what kind of person that you are. They also know your > your thoughts and your intentions. They can become > afraid when they know that their end is near, just > like an animal or human. > > After reading this book, I could no longer believe > that it is anymore OK to kill a plant than an animal. > But both have to die (If you believe in death) for > others to live. That is nature's way. I simply try > to take my meals with an attitude of gratitude for the > life that was sacrificed for me. Life comes only from > Life. > > SNIP > > Love, > > michael Namaste, One can only do one's best, but it better be one's best and not a rationalisation. Plants react to consciousness but as they don't have the same developed nervous system as animals they don't react the same way to pain. Yes I have that book as well, I think they bought the movie rights as well. Also chekc out Bose. I notive that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like Ramana don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an Ego addiction that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: <snip> > I notice that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like Ramana > don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an Ego addiction > that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..Tony No Jivanmukta, including Ramana, ever said, "Be like me." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...> wrote: > , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> > wrote: > > <snip> > > > I notice that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like Ramana > > don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an Ego > addiction > > that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..Tony > > > No Jivanmukta, including Ramana, ever said, "Be like me." and on the right side of your message there was a big advertizing pic saying "eat what you like", with a pic of roast meat! :-)))) eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...> wrote: > , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> > wrote: > > <snip> > > > I notice that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like Ramana > > don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an Ego > addiction > > that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..Tony > > > No Jivanmukta, including Ramana, ever said, "Be like me." Namaste, They don't have to their life is their message. Ahimsa is a necessity.....ONS..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 , "eric paroissien" <brahmanshines@a...> wrote: > , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...> > wrote: > > , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> > > wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > > I notice that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like Ramana > > > don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an Ego > > addiction > > > that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..Tony > > > > > > No Jivanmukta, including Ramana, ever said, "Be like me." > > and on the right side of your message there was a big advertizing pic > saying "eat what you like", with a pic of roast meat! :-)))) > eric Namaste, There is no difference between roast animal and roast human....ONS..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > , "eric paroissien" > <brahmanshines@a...> wrote: > > , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...> > > wrote: > > > , "Tony OClery" > <aoclery> > > > wrote: > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > I notice that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like > Ramana > > > > don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an Ego > > > addiction > > > > that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..> > > > > > > > > No Jivanmukta, including Ramana, ever said, "Be like me." > > > > and on the right side of your message there was a big advertizing > pic > > saying "eat what you like", with a pic of roast meat! :-)))) > > eric > > Namaste, > There is no difference between roast animal and roast > human....ONS..Tony Come to America. Roast animal is leaner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...> > wrote: > > , "Tony OClery" > <aoclery> > > wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > > I notice that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like Ramana > > > don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an Ego > > addiction > > > that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..Tony > > > > > > No Jivanmukta, including Ramana, ever said, "Be like me." > > Namaste, > > They don't have to their life is their message. Ahimsa is a > necessity.....ONS..Tony Ahimsa is who one *is*, not what one *does*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2004 Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...> wrote: > , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> > wrote: > > , "kheyalove" <kheyala@n...> > > wrote: > > > , "Tony OClery" > > <aoclery> > > > wrote: > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > I notice that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like Ramana > > > > don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an Ego > > > addiction > > > > that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..> > > > > > > > > No Jivanmukta, including Ramana, ever said, "Be like me." > > > > Namaste, > > > > They don't have to their life is their message. Ahimsa is a > > necessity.....ONS..Tony > > > Ahimsa is who one *is*, not what one *does*. Namaste, In relativity doing and being are the same thing.........ONS..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2004 Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 Tony wrote I notice that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like Ramana don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an Ego addiction that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..Chris writes. Namaste Tony et all Not wanting to get into the vegetatrian versus meat eaters. Lord knows we have been through it enough. What I would like to say is that God- realization is not an exclusive club. I am sure that many Red-Indians, Aboriginies and virtually all colours cultures and nationalities have some Sages who are God-realized. The Red-Indians and Aborigines lived very much in tune with nature and thanked what ever food came there way. It is too easy to fall into the trap of concepts particularly on the spiritual path. As I have said before Ramana and Eckhart Tolle had similar awakenings and both spent a period in solitude after the event though they are some differences in the way that that presented itself. Eckhart in particular had no previous knowledge of the spiritual. It was his destiny to become enlightened. Ramana and quite a few others who were God Realized died of cancer is that also to be aimed for in the quest for Realization? of course not. Being a vegetarian is a product of DNA genes and up todate conditioning it is only coincidental IMHO that some much revered Enlightened ones are. (I am happy to be a vegetarian but I am not one of knowers of Truth) Ramesh who is very highly thought of as an Enlightened Sage cleared away the need for a lot of concepts for me. There is no technique, dont do or got to do, that can lead to Realization as that is by the grace of God. It cant be earned. You can prepare the ground though but even that is your destiny according to Cosmic Law and the will of God. You cant give up on ego addiction. It may seem that you are sucessfull in disolving some of the egoic ways but essentially who is the doer? Ramesh maintains that every problem is caused by the belief that "I am the doer" even release from that belief (inellectually) is the will of God and possibly thereafter the job is complete by God. Ramesh maintains that the ego is Divine hypnosis so that we are led into believing that we are seperate me's and obviously there is the other. Only God can disolve the ego. However we are in this world and we must act as though we have complete freedom of will. I dont follow any particular teacher though I agree with Ramesh that every teaching that any sage has ever taught is a concept, it is not the Truth. The moment you speak of Truth it becomes a concept which is somthing some can accept and some can not. I accept that what I have written is a concept and as such cant possibly be the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me G etc. Smiling. With respect or all paths beliefs and concepts. chris PS Eckhart says "Dont take your mind too seriously." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2004 Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 , "AnneChris" <am009a8716@b...> wrote: > > Tony wrote > I notice that most or all of the likely Jivanmuktas like > Ramana don't eat meat....That example is enough to give up an Ego addiction > that causes pain and suffering.........ONS..> > Chris writes. > Namaste Tony et all > > Not wanting to get into the vegetatrian versus meat eaters. Lord knows we have been through it enough. > What I would like to say is that God- realization is not an exclusive club. > I am sure that many Red-Indians, Aboriginies and virtually all colours cultures and nationalities have some Sages who are God- realized. The Red-Indians and Aborigines lived very much in tune with nature and thanked what ever food came there way. Namaste, Tolle lives here locally and I don't see how making money is regarded as enlightened. Ramesh Balsakar is another plagiarist as far as I can see. Ramana I do regard as a Jivanmukta though. Primitive tribes had trouble in achieving moksha for they essentially worshipped the astral plane. Very few Sages have really ever existed, to paraphrase Maharaj only one in ten million can even understand non-duality intellectually let alone realise it....ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2004 Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 Dear Tony and ALL, --- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: > , "AnneChris" > <am009a8716@b...> > wrote: SNIP > to paraphrase Maharaj only one in ten > million can even > understand non-duality intellectually let alone > realise > it....ONS..Tony. > Tony please forgive me for disagreeing with you and "Maharaj"; but nobody understands "non-duality intellectually". IT cannot be "understood" because IT transcends the mind. IT can only be "realized" not "understood". Love, michael Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./signingbonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2004 Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 , Michael Bowes <rmichaelbowes> wrote: > Dear Tony and ALL, > > > --- Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote: > > , "AnneChris" > > <am009a8716@b...> > > wrote: > > SNIP > > > > to paraphrase Maharaj only one in ten > > million can even > > understand non-duality intellectually let alone > > realise > > it....ONS..Tony. > > > > > Tony please forgive me for disagreeing with you and > "Maharaj"; but nobody understands "non-duality > intellectually". IT cannot be "understood" because IT > transcends the mind. IT can only be "realized" not > "understood". > > Love, > > michael \Namaste, Semantics Michael, this discussion group wouldn't work without them. Maharaj's statement has validity for it is the mind that does the initial work in the form or the vijnanamayakosa.......ONS..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2004 Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 ----- Tolle lives here locally and I don't see how making money is regarded as enlightened. Ramesh Balsakar is another plagiarist as far as I can see. Ramana I do regard as a Jivanmukta though. Primitive tribes had trouble in achieving moksha for they essentially worshipped the astral plane. Very few Sages have really ever existed, to paraphrase Maharaj only one in ten million can even understand non-duality intellectually let alone realise it....ONS..Tony.Dear Tony I respect you, your opinion and your knowledge and I agree that very few have flowered into their true potential ie God -realization .. Please clarify for me. Are you saying that Eckhart is not enlightened because he is making money, similarly Ramesh? There is no doubt they do make money. You dont know what hapens to the money when it is made and of course money is consciousness too. Eckhart had no need to become a Guru in order to make money he had a sucessfull career ahead of him certainly no need to quit that and sit on a park bench for two years. his enlightenment came at the age of 30 he is in his 50s now so its not exactly an overnight sucess. Maharaj was Rameshes Guru and told Ramesh to teach on two occasions before he started his work. If Maharaj accepted that Ramesh is enlightened thats good enough for me. Eckhart visited Ramana's ashram and was accepted there as an enlightened teacher, its on the Eckhart Tolle web site. The sage can not help but teach its in the nature of the enlightened to do so, he ( the sage) is not concerned whether money comes or not. Because there is a change in attitude to the spiritual teachings and surely this is a good thing, it is true that money flows to the modern Sages and yes some are not genuine and just in it for the money but this is not true of all. I have a great respect for the teaching of Ramana and Maharaj they were of their time and not to be discounted in anyway however we seem to be entering into a further stage of human evolution where enlightenment is possible for more than just the few who have made it "accross the river" so far. As you pointed out Raman has merged with source and teachers of, dare I say it similar calibre, are needed now more than ever. Have you read any of Rameshes books Tony? Even if you dissagree with his concepts there is a lot of knowledge in them. "The Ultimate Understanding" is an amazing book possibly on a par with "I am That" By the way Maharaj was not inclined to give up smoking which could be considered not a good example for an enlightened being to give. I hope you are not taking any of this too seriously Tony ( grining ) Its just consciouness at play Namaste Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2004 Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 NonDuality can be "understood" intellectually i f "you" have already touched a certain level intuitively. I call this "higher knowledge" - it cannot be attained thru books. All the best michael bindel >Michael Bowes > >To: >Re: Re: What is Love? P.S. (Sam) >Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:18:33 -0800 (PST) > >Dear Tony and ALL, > > >--- Tony OClery wrote: > > --- In , "AnneChris" > > > > wrote: > >SNIP > > > > to paraphrase Maharaj only one in ten > > million can even > > understand non-duality intellectually let alone > > realise > > it....ONS..Tony. > > > > >Tony please forgive me for disagreeing with you and >"Maharaj"; but nobody understands "non-duality >intellectually". IT cannot be "understood" because IT >transcends the mind. IT can only be "realized" not >"understood". > >Love, > >michael > > > >Do you ? > Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes >http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./signingbonus MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2004 Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 , "AnneChris" <am009a8716@b...> wrote: > > ----- Tolle lives here locally and I don't see how making money is > regarded as enlightened. Ramesh Balsakar is another plagiarist as > far as I can see. Ramana I do regard as a Jivanmukta though. > Primitive tribes had trouble in achieving moksha for they > essentially worshipped the astral plane. Very few Sages have really > ever existed, to paraphrase Maharaj only one in ten million can even > understand non-duality intellectually let alone realise > it....ONS..Tony. > > Dear > I respect you, your opinion and your knowledge and I agree that very few have flowered into their true potential ie God - realization . > > Please clarify for me. > > Are you saying that Eckhart is not enlightened because he is making money, similarly Ramesh? > There is no doubt they do make money. > You dont know what hapens to the money when it is made and of course money is consciousness too. > Eckhart had no need to become a Guru in order to make money he had a sucessfull career ahead of him certainly no need to quit that and sit on a park bench for two years. his enlightenment came at the age of 30 he is in his 50s now so its not exactly an overnight sucess. Namaste, I question their 'enlightenment', in other words I do not believe that either of them is a Jivanmukta, which is what enlightenment is...They mostly regurgitate.ONS..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2004 Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 , "MICHAEL BINDEL" <michael_bindel@h...> wrote: > Namaste,All. I have long since given up reading books on the subject. Pardon my blunt nature.........It is 'confrontational yoga'....a provocation to think or leave one's comfortable equilibrium.......Love and Om Namah Sivaya to all........Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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