Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 This quote of Bhagavan is well known and echoes the yoga shastras. I recall one conversation where Sri Ramana was speaking of sattvic food and someone raised the point that some Indians and people from other countries eat fish, etc. Sri Ramana answered with complete silence refusing the invitation to criticize others on the basis of diet. Sri Ramana was an embodiment of compassion and tenderness. Does anyone know the story of the "untouchable family" who asked permission of one of the devotees to see Sri Ramana. Understanding of food and its impact on the mind, along with the nature of sleep, sensuality, and the desire for self-preservation are central to yoga psychology. Sri Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita speaks of the play of gunas (Sattvic, Rajasic, and Tamasic) and this is a well known classification for food as well. Kindness to animals was Sri Ramana's nature. He sometimes said that the devotees should be nice to the animals and dogs as many were yogis and siddhas who had come to see him. After the cow Lakshmi passed away, the Sage said that Lakshmi had attained Moksha. As far as I know, the only other person that Sri Ramana had made a similar comment about was his mother. Does anyone know the story of the egg that cracked due to the movement of Sri Ramana and now he nurtured the cracked egg until the cracks healed and the egg hatched. Thank you for sharing so many beautiful stories. Even though I know most of them, they still bring tears and make the hair on my body stand. Love to all Harsha , "Lady Joyce" <shaantih@c...> wrote: > 'Regulation of diet, restricting it to sattvic food, > taken in moderate quantities, is the best of all conduct > and the most conducive to the development of > sattvic (pure) qualities of mind. These in turn help > one in the practice of Self-enquiry'. > > Ramana, in Talks p.28 ===== /join SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > This quote of Bhagavan is well known and echoes the > yoga shastras. > > I recall one conversation where Sri Ramana was > speaking of sattvic food and someone raised the point > that some Indians and people from other countries eat > fish, etc. Sri Ramana answered with complete silence > refusing the invitation to criticize others on the > basis of diet. Sri Ramana was an embodiment of > compassion and tenderness. Does anyone know the story > of the "untouchable family" who asked permission of > one of the devotees to see Sri Ramana. > > Understanding of food and its impact on the mind, > along with the nature of sleep, sensuality, and the > desire for self-preservation are central to yoga > psychology. Sri Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita speaks of > the play of gunas (Sattvic, Rajasic, and Tamasic) and > this is a well known classification for food as well. > > Kindness to animals was Sri Ramana's nature. He > sometimes said that the devotees should be nice to the > animals and dogs as many were yogis and siddhas who > had come to see him. After the cow Lakshmi passed > away, the Sage said that Lakshmi had attained Moksha. > As far as I know, the only other person that Sri > Ramana had made a similar comment about was his > mother. > > Does anyone know the story of the egg that cracked due > to the movement of Sri Ramana and now he nurtured the > cracked egg until the cracks healed and the egg > hatched. > > Thank you for sharing so many beautiful stories. Even > though I know most of them, they still bring tears and > make the hair on my body stand. > > Love to all > Harsha > > We are touched by the regularity of his attitude, what often shocked people was how he treated equally all lives, and all situations by contrast with the exceptions, exclusion, discrimination and compartments of our attitudes. eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > This quote of Bhagavan is well known and echoes the > yoga shastras. > > I recall one conversation where Sri Ramana was > speaking of sattvic food and someone raised the point > that some Indians and people from other countries eat > fish, etc. Sri Ramana answered with complete silence > refusing the invitation to criticize others on the > basis of diet. Sri Ramana was an embodiment of > compassion and tenderness. Does anyone know the story > of the "untouchable family" who asked permission of > one of the devotees to see Sri Ramana. > Namaste H, No doubt he didn't talk about succulent meat eating either...He taught by example. Knowing that was where they were, the meat eaters that is, at in the states of awareness etc........ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 --- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: > Namaste H, > > No doubt he didn't talk about succulent meat eating > either...He > taught by example. Knowing that was where they were, > the meat eaters > that is, at in the states of awareness > etc........ONS..Tony. *********************** Namaste Tony, Bhagavan did enjoying cooking and was involved in preparing dishes for the devotees in the early year. As always, you are correct in mentioning that there is no record of Sri Ramana speaking of meat dishes or how to prepare them. We would not expect that for obvious reasons. Sri Ramana was a lacto-vegetarian but did eat spicy food which is common to South India. You are also correct in saying that Sri Ramana taught by example. He taught by silence as well as words. Would you be interested in writing an article on vegetarianism based on your experience for the next HS Mag. Perhaps we can have point - counter point, etc. We need articles for the next HS Mag. The focus is on Yoga and Tantra but good writing on any topic would be acceptable. Love to all Harsha ===== /join SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > --- Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote: > > > Namaste H, > > > > No doubt he didn't talk about succulent meat eating > > either...He > > taught by example. Knowing that was where they were, > > the meat eaters > > that is, at in the states of awareness > > etc........ONS..Tony. > *********************** > Namaste Tony, > > Bhagavan did enjoying cooking and was involved in > preparing dishes for the devotees in the early year. > > As always, you are correct in mentioning that there is > no record of Sri Ramana speaking of meat dishes or how > to prepare them. We would not expect that for obvious > reasons. Sri Ramana was a lacto-vegetarian but did eat > spicy food which is common to South India. > > You are also correct in saying that Sri Ramana taught > by example. He taught by silence as well as words. > > Would you be interested in writing an article on > vegetarianism based on your experience for the next HS > Mag. Perhaps we can have point - counter point, etc. > > We need articles for the next HS Mag. The focus is on > Yoga and Tantra but good writing on any topic would be > acceptable. > > Love to all > Harsha / Namaste Harsha, Sure I'll do something on Vegetarianism with Yogic aspects etc...ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 On 1/26/04 at 4:48 PM Tony OClery wrote: º, Harsha <harshaimtm> ºwrote: º> This quote of Bhagavan is well known and echoes the º> yoga shastras. º> º> I recall one conversation where Sri Ramana was º> speaking of sattvic food and someone raised the point º> that some Indians and people from other countries eat º> fish, etc. Sri Ramana answered with complete silence º> refusing the invitation to criticize others on the º> basis of diet. Sri Ramana was an embodiment of º> compassion and tenderness. Does anyone know the story º> of the "untouchable family" who asked permission of º> one of the devotees to see Sri Ramana. º> ºNamaste H, º ºNo doubt he didn't talk about succulent meat eating either...He ºtaught by example. Knowing that was where they were, the meat eaters ºthat is, at in the states of awareness etc........ONS..Tony. Hi Tony, Don't overlook the obvious: in many cases, instead of dietary logic making sense, restrictions are seen, causing more mental activity than without the adaptations of diet. Hence advice would cause the opposite of what was wanted: turmoil due to craving instead of harvesting the fruits of a relaxed mind-body with a higher surplus of life-energy. Apart from that, the fact that some 6,000,000,000 humans descended from a mere 2,000 also indicates, better be silent on the issue as no matter what, a little less than 6,000,000,000 humans will continue to argue, they are more unique regarding "individual" food than any other animal with a much larger genetical variance. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 , "ecirada" <ecirada@> > Hi Tony, > > Don't overlook the obvious: in many cases, instead of dietary logic > making sense, restrictions are seen, causing more mental activity > than without the adaptations of diet. Hence advice would cause the > opposite of what was wanted: turmoil due to craving instead of > harvesting the fruits of a relaxed mind-body with a higher surplus > of life-energy. > > Apart from that, the fact that some 6,000,000,000 humans > descended from a mere 2,000 also indicates, better be silent > on the issue as no matter what, a little less than 6,000,000,000 > humans will continue to argue, they are more unique regarding > "individual" food than any other animal with a much larger > genetical variance. > > Jan Namaste, I don't really think that all humanity descended from 2000 people. Although I could be wrong. The talk of descents in the Bhagavatam and the Bible say the opposite. There have been at least a dozen types of hominids and that doesn't count mixtures. Also there have been extinctions and restarts etc. It is daunting though that 3 billion have an IQ of less than 100, even the ape can get up past 80 or so. It is always a difficult subject, which I don't broach in non spiritual company at all. Amongst the so called spiritual and people on these boards, if they bring it up in discussion---I may discuss it, more for bringing it out for neophytes etc than to be argumentative. I do know that Ramana said for yogis and making spiritual progress vegetarianism is necessary. It is mentioned somewhere in 'Be as you Are'. Yes one cannot convert people, they have to wait until their vijnanamayakosa is developed enough to be aware of the need.........ONS...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 On 1/27/04 at 12:38 AM Tony OClery wrote: º, "ecirada" <ecirada@> º> Hi Tony, º> º> Don't overlook the obvious: in many cases, instead of dietary logic º> making sense, restrictions are seen, causing more mental activity º> than without the adaptations of diet. Hence advice would cause the º> opposite of what was wanted: turmoil due to craving instead of º> harvesting the fruits of a relaxed mind-body with a higher surplus º> of life-energy. º> º> Apart from that, the fact that some 6,000,000,000 humans º> descended from a mere 2,000 also indicates, better be silent º> on the issue as no matter what, a little less than 6,000,000,000 º> humans will continue to argue, they are more unique regarding º> "individual" food than any other animal with a much larger º> genetical variance. º> º> Jan º ºNamaste, º ºI don't really think that all humanity descended from 2000 people. ºAlthough I could be wrong. Hi Tony, Yes, you are: http://www.abc.net.au/news/indepth/featureitems/s876996.htm (one of the many links on the issue) excerpts: -------------- Scientists engaged in the study of human origins have advanced a new theory that suggests that we very nearly failed to evolve to where we are today. American and Russian researchers have published DNA research suggesting the human gene pool almost ran dry around 70,000 years ago. A team of Russian and American scientists are now seeking to explain why humans all have virtually identical DNA, quite unlike our close genetic relatives, chimps. One group of chimps, for example, can feature more genetic diversity than all six billion humans on the planet today. ------------------- The discovery can't be 'happy news' as inbreeding rarely improves characteristics, like for instance, intelligence. Regarding the menu of chimps in their habitat, no chimp is more equal than another ;-) ºThe talk of descents in the Bhagavatam ºand the Bible say the opposite. There have been at least a dozen ºtypes of hominids and that doesn't count mixtures. Also there have ºbeen extinctions and restarts etc. It is daunting though that 3 ºbillion have an IQ of less than 100, even the ape can get up past º80 or so. It is always a difficult subject, which I don't broach in ºnon spiritual company at all. Amongst the so called spiritual and ºpeople on these boards, if they bring it up in discussion---I may ºdiscuss it, more for bringing it out for neophytes etc than to be ºargumentative. I do know that Ramana said for yogis and making ºspiritual progress vegetarianism is necessary. It is mentioned ºsomewhere in 'Be as you Are'. Yes one cannot convert people, they ºhave to wait until their vijnanamayakosa is developed enough to be ºaware of the need.........ONS... Instead of discussing dietary issues, one human life not only is enough to find out about that, it's even long enough to enjoy the benefits. This brings up topics like motivation, non-clinging, curiosity (a basic drive of a scientist). Swami Sivananda gave quite a list regarding food, he was a practicing MD well known with Western and Indian medicine. Yet something is entirely overlooked: in the era that Sivananda was roaming India, fresh milk was used, not the pasteurized / sterilized versions with a dose of antibiotics. So what was 'good' then, might not be so now... Regarding 'keeping up with discoveries' there's a story of an expanding and crunching universe, something which has been shown to be a myth: expansion is accelerating which means, there's a force pushing everything apart. Some attribute that to "dark matter", others to the sheer pressure of light. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 , "> º > ºI don't really think that all humanity descended from 2000 people. > ºAlthough I could be wrong. > > > Hi Tony, > > Yes, you are: http://www.abc.net.au/news/indepth/featureitems/s876996.htm > > (one of the many links on the issue) > > excerpts: > -------------- > Scientists engaged in the study of human origins have advanced a new theory that suggests > that we very nearly failed to evolve to where we are today. > > American and Russian researchers have published DNA research suggesting the > human gene pool almost ran dry around 70,000 years ago. > > A team of Russian and American scientists are now seeking to explain > why humans all have virtually identical DNA, quite unlike our close genetic relatives, chimps. > > One group of chimps, for example, can feature more genetic diversity > than all six billion humans on the planet today. > > Instead of discussing dietary issues, one human life not only is enough to > find out about that, it's even long enough to enjoy the benefits. > This brings up topics like motivation, non-clinging, curiosity (a basic > drive of a scientist). > > Swami Sivananda gave quite a list regarding food, he was a practicing MD > well known with Western and Indian medicine. Yet something is entirely > overlooked: in the era that Sivananda was roaming India, fresh milk was > used, not the pasteurized / sterilized versions with a dose of antibiotics. > So what was 'good' then, might not be so now... > > Regarding 'keeping up with discoveries' there's a story of an expanding > and crunching universe, something which has been shown to be a myth: > expansion is accelerating which means, there's a force pushing everything > apart. Some attribute that to "dark matter", others to the sheer pressure > of light. Namaste, Because scientists say one thing then another as research progresses, one cannot take it seriously. Many are on grants etc so behooving to people and institutions so they self censor anyway. Scientists say man came to North America via the Bering straits c 11,000 years ago. Yet near Lewisville Texas there is radio carbon dated stuff to 37,000 BCE. There are other places in North and South America as well.I could go on forever. Again there have been many branches of the hominid family, even excluding the mixtures like the Hanuman types. The Ramayana by the way goes back to probably 20,000 years ago, at the very least 11,000 years. The Vedas reflect the night sky as it was 8,000 years ago. Yet in these scriptures much is spoken of flying machines, weapons etc that couldn't be imagined by a so called human race. I find it interesting that the Bible and the Bhagavatam agree on the descents and various human races. So does the Kabbalists with Adam and Eve and the first non-adamic wife Lilith. Up to about 9,000 B.C.E. there was a concerted effort to more humanise the mixtures and much genetic engineering was done, no doubt using the same group of sequences, so accounting for modern man. Anyway this is another story not about vegetarianism... http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/AhimsaVegetarianism.htm http://www.geocities.com/aoclery Om Namah Sivaya....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 On 1/27/04 at 4:59 PM Tony OClery wrote: º, "> º º> ºI don't really think that all humanity descended from 2000 ºpeople. º> ºAlthough I could be wrong. º> º> º> Hi Tony, º> º> Yes, you are: ºhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/indepth/featureitems/s876996.htm º> º> (one of the many links on the issue) º> º> excerpts: º> -------------- º> Scientists engaged in the study of human origins have advanced a ºnew theory that suggests º> that we very nearly failed to evolve to where we are today. º> º> American and Russian researchers have published DNA research ºsuggesting the º> human gene pool almost ran dry around 70,000 years ago. º> º> A team of Russian and American scientists are now seeking to ºexplain º> why humans all have virtually identical DNA, quite unlike our ºclose genetic relatives, chimps. º> º> One group of chimps, for example, can feature more genetic ºdiversity º> than all six billion humans on the planet today. º> º> Instead of discussing dietary issues, one human life not only is ºenough to º> find out about that, it's even long enough to enjoy the benefits. º> This brings up topics like motivation, non-clinging, curiosity (a ºbasic º> drive of a scientist). º> º> Swami Sivananda gave quite a list regarding food, he was a ºpracticing MD º> well known with Western and Indian medicine. Yet something is ºentirely º> overlooked: in the era that Sivananda was roaming India, fresh ºmilk was º> used, not the pasteurized / sterilized versions with a dose of ºantibiotics. º> So what was 'good' then, might not be so now... º> º> Regarding 'keeping up with discoveries' there's a story of an ºexpanding º> and crunching universe, something which has been shown to be a ºmyth: º> expansion is accelerating which means, there's a force pushing ºeverything º> apart. Some attribute that to "dark matter", others to the sheer ºpressure º> of light. º ºNamaste, º ºBecause scientists say one thing then another as research ºprogresses, one cannot take it seriously. Many are on grants etc so ºbehooving to people and institutions so they self censor anyway. Hi Tony, The meat & dairy lobby for instance. Mad cow disease, bird flu varieties, to name a few. Just the start of "the era of resistant strains". That humans at antipodes of the world are genetically more equal than two chimpanzees in a group. That not even serves the pharmaceutical industry as just half of its medicines works and peer reviews have been forged, as recently was discovered. With food-company sponsored "research" things are much worse. Hence the advice to enquire and experiment as only that 'solves' the issue. ºScientists say man came to North America via the Bering straits c º11,000 years ago. Yet near Lewisville Texas there is radio carbon ºdated stuff to 37,000 BCE. There are other places in North and South ºAmerica as well.I could go on forever. Wherever they came from, genetically, they're very close. ºAgain there have been many branches of the hominid family, even ºexcluding the mixtures like the Hanuman types. The Ramayana by the ºway goes back to probably 20,000 years ago, at the very least 11,000 ºyears. The Vedas reflect the night sky as it was 8,000 years ago. There's an impressive collection of interesting materials like a metal with an isotope ratio not available on earth. ºYet in these scriptures much is spoken of flying machines, weapons ºetc that couldn't be imagined by a so called human race. I find it ºinteresting that the Bible and the Bhagavatam agree on the descents ºand various human races. So does the Kabbalists with Adam and Eve ºand the first non-adamic wife Lilith. The Gilgamesh epic is also about the history of planet earth and its accompanying moon as if viewed from an observation post, at a safe distance from the events. ºUp to about 9,000 B.C.E. there was a concerted effort to more ºhumanise the mixtures and much genetic engineering was done, no ºdoubt using the same group of sequences, so accounting for modern ºman. Anyway this is another story not about vegetarianism... Humans are faced with the consequences of genetically being close to clones, which is one interpretation of the biblical: Ge:1:26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. "Let us make man in our image" denotes a plural. The Gilgamesh epic is more specific in this regard. º ºhttp://www.geocities.com/aoclery/AhimsaVegetarianism.htm ºhttp://www.geocities.com/aoclery º ºOm Namah Sivaya....Tony. Descendent from a mere 2,000 survivors already hints at an emergency situation, the subsequent loss of eating habits, separated from the former environment. There's some info on how chimps develop on what has become "default human food": the animals get all chronic diseases, mankind is suffering from. That never became a reason to enquire into the issue of "proper human food" though. 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