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Mata Amritanandamayi is an embodiment of unconditional love, devoted

to the service of all humanity. So open is she, so approachable and

accessible, that people have come to realize in her that archetypal,

universal 'Mother-Love', at once personal yet boundless like a vast

ocean, beating softly on the shores of troubled minds and searching

hearts. People from all walks of life seek out the Mother, as she is

affectionately called. She receives everyone in the same loving way,

regardless of his religious faith or non-belief. She welcomes all

alike from the wealthy executive to the leprous beggar, from the

newborn babe to the wrinkled old man, from the hostile detractor to

the ardent admirer. As an untiring servant of all people, her time

and life are dedicated solely to removing the suffering of humanity.

No one's concerns are insignificant to her. All find that her

compassion and knowledge unfailingly guide them in their uncertain

lives, and her motherly

affection is a soothing balm to their afflictions. Tak ing each one to

herself without reservation, she moves like a mother with children,

bringing solace and peace of mind to all. This familiar closeness is

so deeply moving that many burst into tears as they experience the

radiance of her divine love and compassion and attain a glimpse of

their own true divine nature. She teaches by the example of her own

life and conveys the highest spiritual truths in the simplest

language. An inspiring example of humility, compassion, simplicity,

and patience, she has infused devotion to God, love for fellow beings

and the spirit of selfless service into the hearts of millions.

Sudhamani, as the Mother was called, was born in 1953 to an extremely

poor but pious family in the lush state of Kerala on the west coast of

India. Although she underwent many severe hardships and encountered

many obstacles, she sought solace only in God. Her life was to serve

as an inspiring example to the thousands of people who would later

come under her care and guidance. She would show what it is to be a

true seeker and earnest devotee of God, and out of her love and

compassion, she would serve humanity as Mother and Teacher. At the

age of five, she started composing songs of deep mystical

significance. Her enchanting soulful singing became well known

throughout the village. "From childhood I had an intense love of the

Divine Name. I would repeat the Lord's Name incessantly with every

breath and a constant flow of divine thoughts was kept up in my mind

no matter the place where I was or the work I was doing." Required to

work long hours in the service of her family, she could not continue

her schooling beyond the fourth year. In addition to looking after

all the household chores, she served the elderly, the poor and the

sick in her seaside village, looking after them as if they were

members of her own family. She would stealthily remove food grains

from her family's storeroom and give them to those who were poorer

than herself. One day, not finding anything else, she gave away her

mother's only gold bangle to a poor starving man. She received a

severe beating when her father found out, yet she was happy that she

could relieve someone's suffering. Sudhamani worshipped God in the

form of the cowherd boy Krishna, considered in India to be a Divine

Incarnation born thousands of years ago. She used to carry a little

picture of Him and would tell her sorrows to Him. When she went to

graze the family's cows, she felt that she herself was Krishna and

that her playmates were the cowherds, the childhood friends of the

Lord. She was often seen singing in a mood of ecstatic devotion or

blissfully immersed in meditation. Though her parents were religious,

they were just simple folk who could not understand her unusual

behavior. They thought that her deeply spiritual and overly

charitable nature were nothing more than a kind of eccentricity.

However, in spite of repeated obstacles, her love of God and her

spiritual moods continued to deepen. Eventually Sudhamani was locked

out of the house and not even given any food to eat. When sympathetic

local women tried to bring her food and care for her, they were sent

away by the

family. Some of the local villagers who could not understand her state

of divine bliss ridiculed her by throwing stones at her. They also

placed thorns where she was to walk and even went so far as to try to

poison her. Once someone actually threatened to stab her with a knife.

Yet despite all these threats and abuses, Sudhamani remained

undisturbed, oblivious to the harassment and physical conditions. She

slept outdoors, the sand was her bed, the stars her blanket and the

moon her only light. Animals came to feed her. A dog brought food

packets to her in his mouth; a cow stood near her so that she could

drink from its udder. In due course, Sudhamani attained mystic union

with the Lord as the fruit of her intense spiritual longing. Seeing

her in that unusual divine mood, some of the villagers said to her,

"Show us a miracle, for how can we believe that you are really one

with Him?" She replied, "Children, do not ask to see miracles. The

greatest miracle of all is for man to realize

his True Self." Yet out of compassion towards them and to inspire th

em with faith, she asked one of them to bring a little pitcher of

milk; when he then dipped his finger into it, it had changed into

sweet jam which was distributed to the hundreds of people there. This

created a vast change in the minds of the people and from that day on,

large crowds gathered around the Holy Mother. On another occasion, a

devotee of the Mother brought her an oil lamp for the little temple

in which she received devotees, but her elder brother, one of her

greatest antagonists, smashed it. Mother then asked her devotees to

bring shells into which water was poured and a wick was placed in

each. She asked the people there to light them and the light from

these shells lasted the entire night. One day, while Sudhamani was

sitting alone in a meditative mood, a beautiful orb of brilliant

light appeared before her. As she looked on in wonder, the Divine

Mother emerged from the globe in an exquisitely beautiful form and

then disappeared along with the light as suddenly as she had come.

This vision left Sudhamani with an intense desire to see the Divine

Mother again and after many days of deep meditation and crying to

Her, she did see Her again. Following this experience, Sudhamani

withdrew herself from everything and everyone, and remained immersed

in the intense inner bliss of God-Consciousness. But suddenly one day

she heard a voice from within her say, "I am in all as the One Essence

and do not have any particular abode. It is to give solace to

suffering humanity that you have come into this world and not merely

for enjoying Divine Bliss. Therefore, worship Me by showing mankind

the way back to Me."This was a turning point in the

Mother's life. The following days found her identified with the lov

ing Divine Mother and it was from this time onwards that people began

calling her "Mother." Since 1981 the Holy Mother has been

disseminating spiritual knowledge to a dedicated group of spiritual

aspirants who have come to study with her, training them with

practical spiritual discipline. She feels that the greatest of all

blessings is to rouse an aspirant to the glory of the divinity

within. The awakened man solves all his problems for himself and

becomes a blessing to society. Today her work has blossomed into a

worldwide organization, the Mata Amritanandamayi Mission Trust, which

is engaged in many spiritual and charitable activities. Crossing the

backwaters, one arrives at the Mother's birthplace, an island flanked

by these waterways and the Arabian Sea. It was here, around the middle

of 1979, that a number of young educated men and women started coming

to the Mother for spiritual advice. The Mother's home soon became a

pilgrimage place where people came seeking relief from their

travails, and thus a small hermitage or ashram came into being. Today

there is a seemingly endless flow of people from all over the world

who come to the ashram to spend as much time as they can with the

Mother, as well as over 200 permanent residents who have made this

their spiritual home. Some come for relief from their problems, while

others find a peaceful retreat where they can meditate under the

Mother's guidance; still others come to take part in her charitable

service projects. The Mother insists that all of the residents or

"children" as she calls them, have a thorough grounding in spiritual

practices like

meditation, devotional singing, yoga and scri ptural study. This will

give them the necessary stability and inner peace to deal with the

unavoidable ups and downs of life. But they should also have skills

useful for serving the poor and needy. It is toward this end that all

of the work of maintaining the ashram and attending to the thousands

of people who come there is done by the residents themselves. The

Mother feels that only if one works hard and undergoes the

tribulations of the poor, will one be able to serve them properly

through a sympathetic understanding. The Mother practices what she

preaches and she herself joins in all of the work. "I desire peace

for the people; this is what makes me happy. In this world where so

many people live in luxury and comfort, there are many who are

suffering poverty and even starvation. With cooperation and love, we

must selflessly serve the whole world without expecting anything in

return."

Mother's compassion for the poor resulted in her assuming the

responsibility for a financially troubled orphanage about 30 miles

away from the ashram. The more than 400 children were starving and

lived in filthy buildings on the verge of collapse. The Mother felt

moved by their plight and acquired the orphanage along with its huge

debts. Some of the ashram residents were sent there to clean it up.

They installed electricity and plumbing and fixed the leaking roofs

and floors flooded by the monsoon rains, and for the first time in

their lives, the children were fed with nourishing food. With the

material basics taken care of, emphasis has been laid on their

education. Classes in Sanskrit and activities in music, dance, drama,

arts and crafts have stimulated much interest and enthusiasm among the

children. The orphanage is only one of the Holy Mother's many world

service projects. Other charitable activities include a free medical

dispensary, a Vocational Training Center,

two Computer Training Institutes and a fifty-bed hospice for

terminally ill cancer patients. Free medical camps are periodically

conducted, and food, clothing and homes are being provided for the

poor. A five hundred bed hospital is to be constructed next year. In

1987, some of the Mother's admirers in the West requested her to

visit their countries in order to give those who could not travel to

India a chance to benefit from her holy company. Feeling this to be

the Divine Will, she agreed, and sponsored by the devotees there,

visited numerous cities in America and Europe. Two years later, a

residential ashram and retreat center just outside of San Francisco,

the Mata Amritanandamayi Center, was started for those wishing to

lead a monastic life dedicated to spiritual practice and social

service in the West. Classes there are taught daily by one of the

Mother's senior disciples who is in residence. Devotional singing and

meditation are also part of the daily practice in conjunction with the

service required to maintain the ashram and the projects it supports.

Since then, similar centers have been established in Europe and

Reunion Island.

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, ezhava ajju <ajju872004>

wrote:

>

> Dear friends

> below , i have posted a detailed life history of

amma

> with love

> ajoy

>

>

> Mata Amritanandamayi is an embodiment of unconditional love,

devoted to the service of all humanity. So open is she, so

approachable and accessible, that people have come to realize in her

that archetypal, universal 'Mother-Love', at once personal yet

boundless like a vast ocean, beating softly on the shores of

 

Namaste,

 

Yes I have visited Amma in two different countries, USA, and

Australia, did padanamaskar etc etc. I honestly don't know what she

is. She does a lot of good work and has probably had some spiritual

experience perhaps a type of Samadhi with attributes. She seems to

be a Saint of some kind, and doesn't seem to be a fraud like some

contempories around the place. She isn't stealing or molesting

anybody but helps a lot. If there is a negative it would be the

presumptiousness of some of her devotees and the excess emphasis on

raising funds, even though they go to help people....

 

I have her books go to an occasional bhajan and respect her for what

she appears to be. That is as far as it goes for only a Mukti can

recognise another one for sure. She is probably a Bhodisattva of

some kind.........and can help.........Om Namah Sivaya.......Tony.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your analysis Tony. You are a tough man to

please! :-).

 

It all comes down to different people having different

needs and the markets providing the products (gurus,

teachings, malas, books, seminars, etc.) needed by

people. That is just how it is. It is neither good nor

bad. I mean people sell fitness equipment also.

 

When spirituality is conceptualized as a commodity,

the modern guru business can be seen to be at least in

part about fund raising and marketing. Frankly, we

need to get better at that here in the Sangha in order

to remain spiritually competitive.

 

Which brings to mind that we are looking for

specialists in the area of PR and Marketing for the

sangha and the HS mag. If you have experienced

miracles reading the Sangha e-mails, your testimonials

will be appreciated.

 

Thanks,

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

--- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote:

> , ezhava ajju

> Namaste,

>

> Yes I have visited Amma in two different countries,

> USA, and

> Australia, did padanamaskar etc etc. I honestly

> don't know what she

> is. She does a lot of good work and has probably had

> some spiritual

> experience perhaps a type of Samadhi with

> attributes. She seems to

> be a Saint of some kind, and doesn't seem to be a

> fraud like some

> contempories around the place. She isn't stealing or

> molesting

> anybody but helps a lot. If there is a negative it

> would be the

> presumptiousness of some of her devotees and the

> excess emphasis on

> raising funds, even though they go to help

> people....

>

> I have her books go to an occasional bhajan and

> respect her for what

> she appears to be. That is as far as it goes for

> only a Mukti can

> recognise another one for sure. She is probably a

> Bhodisattva of

> some kind.........and can help.........Om Namah

> Sivaya.......Tony.

 

 

 

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, Harsha <harshaimtm>

wrote:

> Thanks for your analysis Tony. You are a tough man to

> please! :-).

>

> It all comes down to different people having different

> needs and the markets providing the products (gurus,

> teachings, malas, books, seminars, etc.) needed by

> people. That is just how it is. It is neither good nor

> bad. I mean people sell fitness equipment also.

>

> When spirituality is conceptualized as a commodity,

> the modern guru business can be seen to be at least in

> part about fund raising and marketing. Frankly, we

> need to get better at that here in the Sangha in order

> to remain spiritually competitive.

>

> Which brings to mind that we are looking for

> specialists in the area of PR and Marketing for the

> sangha and the HS mag. If you have experienced

> miracles reading the Sangha e-mails, your testimonials

> will be appreciated.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

 

Namaste Harsha,

 

Well once bitten forever shy.

It wasn't the fund raising per se but the amount being asked for

things. For example a bangle, brass and copper etc would be going

for $50 and represented as being gold etc. The same bangle could be

bought in India for probably a dollar or less.

 

I would suggest you make a serious of bangles with a mantra on them

and sell them as Harsha talismans. Yes you could get into the mala

business as well as vibhuti etc. Sell the articles as books from the

website. You must make sure you get yourself an orange robe and then

sell thousands of miracle pictures. For getting a really big cash

flow, then take on a project such as a clinic or whatever, that

really turns the cash tap on. Problem is you can't stop eventually

you would end up building dams to keep the cash flowing. We could

then build Harshaville, and people could make donations to alleviate

their bad karma. Now of course you would have to make yourself

available for darshan, at least ten minutes twice a day on video,

then they can be sold and work miracles. At this stage you would

definately need help, so we could buy orange robes as well and then

we could be the swamis traveling around reading the scriptures to

the faithful. This would also involve raising cash for the next

project, then there is the politicians to be helped in their

electoral desires. Oh my God it would all become Cash Cash Cash and

Activity Activity Activity. There would be no peace but think of all

the karma you would save. We could have a farm for milk cows and

dung, for we would need to have lots of vibhuti packaged and sold in

little packs for $2 or more. You could bless them by looking at the

tubs of vibhuti everday. You could even regurgitate Ramana and add

in Taoism Sufism etc and explain the devoted masses what he really

meant to say, and make changes where he forgot to ask for money or

get people into activities.

Oh we would be so famous and helpful to mankind. What about sex

teachings? Mystress Angelique could be in charge and give

demonstrations.................Love Tony.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tony,

 

Keep the creative juices flowing and your thinking hat on.

 

Love,

Harsha

 

> Namaste Harsha,

>

> Well once bitten forever shy.

> It wasn't the fund raising per se but the amount being asked for

> things. For example a bangle, brass and copper etc would be going

> for $50 and represented as being gold etc. The same bangle could

be

> bought in India for probably a dollar or less.

>

> I would suggest you make a serious of bangles with a mantra on

them

> and sell them as Harsha talismans. Yes you could get into the mala

> business as well as vibhuti etc. Sell the articles as books from

the

> website. You must make sure you get yourself an orange robe and

then

> sell thousands of miracle pictures. For getting a really big cash

> flow, then take on a project such as a clinic or whatever, that

> really turns the cash tap on. Problem is you can't stop eventually

> you would end up building dams to keep the cash flowing. We could

> then build Harshaville, and people could make donations to

alleviate

> their bad karma. Now of course you would have to make yourself

> available for darshan, at least ten minutes twice a day on video,

> then they can be sold and work miracles. At this stage you would

> definately need help, so we could buy orange robes as well and

then

> we could be the swamis traveling around reading the scriptures to

> the faithful. This would also involve raising cash for the next

> project, then there is the politicians to be helped in their

> electoral desires. Oh my God it would all become Cash Cash Cash

and

> Activity Activity Activity. There would be no peace but think of

all

> the karma you would save. We could have a farm for milk cows and

> dung, for we would need to have lots of vibhuti packaged and sold

in

> little packs for $2 or more. You could bless them by looking at

the

> tubs of vibhuti everday. You could even regurgitate Ramana and add

> in Taoism Sufism etc and explain the devoted masses what he really

> meant to say, and make changes where he forgot to ask for money or

> get people into activities.

> Oh we would be so famous and helpful to mankind. What about sex

> teachings? Mystress Angelique could be in charge and give

> demonstrations.................Love Tony.

[Guest guest]

Hey Tony,

that was pretty good, your outline of a PR incentivated, sangha.

But you missed out a very important point.

The Zen Stick.

Naturally, our Beloved Master will encounter disciples who have doubts and resistance.

As His name implies, He will have to deal very harshly with them.

Public abuse and other forms of humiliation are the methods of choice

in the world of spiritual business.

Firstly, when You are teaching, O Most Holy God Incarnated Satguru, if

you make a point and someone says, "I've looked into that but I don't

get it, it doesn't make sense," you must never, for a moment,

entertain the thought that either 1) you don't know what you're

talking about, or 2) you are a lousy teacher. There are well tested

forms of mumbo jumbo that can be employed to handle this situation.

Firstly, blame the student.

The reason that you don't see is that you don't want to see it; you

are too attached to your miserable, ugly ego!

Or, "You can see it, your pride just wont let you acknowledge it."

Or, "You are locked in your head. If you want to, you can see it right

now. Just do it; just take the leap. Go on, do it, right now!"

O Great Totally Enlightened Master, these techniques are truly

magical, they are a gift from Shiva Himself, and they allow a teacher

who is dim-witted, mercenary and exploitative to pull the wool over

the eyes of students who are intelligent, self-aware and good

natured.

Mention doubters and recalcitrants by name in Your public discourses,

and subject them to abuse and ridicule.

Then speak at length about they way that a Master has to use the Zen

Stick. The Zen Stick is a form of blow that is intended only to

awaken the disciple from his dream induced ego attachment, and lead

him into the realm of never-ending bliss, the same realm where You, O

Great Pre-eminent Avatar, always dwell.

When the Master uses the Zen Stick, He is never motivated by personal

anger or resentment, for He has transcended the person, and anger,

and resentment, a long, long time back. In fact He only took birth to

relieve the suffering of sentient beings on this planet. And never be

afraid that your story will be too far fetched -- bliss seekers will

believe anything. If you, O Glorious Transcendent Light of All

Worlds, can convince them that you can deliver the goods, you can

keep them hooked for decades, even when your lies, fraudulent money

transactions and sexual exploitation are documented in every

newspaper.

The bedrock on which all this rests is that a large number of

so-called spiritual seekers are not at all interested in truth, they

are only in it for the feel-good.

They are the frightened ones. They want a Big Daddy to tell them how

to live, to deliver them from their fear of death, to impart the

super-feel-good Enlightenment, after which everything will be just

hunky-dory and they themselves can have their turn, strutting and

preening as Totally Awakened Masters. In another context they would

be the apparatchicks for Socialist dictators like Stalin, or Chairman

Mao.

Never give a sucker an even break.

Your humble, fawning, obsequious, unworthy servant

WW

-

harshaimtm

Friday, January 30, 2004 9:02 AM

Re: about AMMA

Thanks Tony,Keep the creative juices flowing and your thinking hat

on.Love,Harsha> Namaste Harsha,> > Well once bitten forever shy. > It

wasn't the fund raising per se but the amount being asked for >

things. For example a bangle, brass and copper etc would be going >

for $50 and represented as being gold etc. The same bangle could be >

bought in India for probably a dollar or less.> > I would suggest you

make a serious of bangles with a mantra on them > and sell them as

Harsha talismans. Yes you could get into the mala > business as well

as vibhuti etc. Sell the articles as books from the > website. You

must make sure you get yourself an orange robe and then > sell

thousands of miracle pictures. For getting a really big cash > flow,

then take on a project such as a clinic or whatever, that > really

turns the cash tap on. Problem is you can't stop eventually > you

would end up building dams to keep the cash flowing. We could > then

build Harshaville, and people could make donations to alleviate >

their bad karma. Now of course you would have to make yourself >

available for darshan, at least ten minutes twice a day on video, >

then they can be sold and work miracles. At this stage you would >

definately need help, so we could buy orange robes as well and then >

we could be the swamis traveling around reading the scriptures to >

the faithful. This would also involve raising cash for the next >

project, then there is the politicians to be helped in their >

electoral desires. Oh my God it would all become Cash Cash Cash and >

Activity Activity Activity. There would be no peace but think of all >

the karma you would save. We could have a farm for milk cows and >

dung, for we would need to have lots of vibhuti packaged and sold in

> little packs for $2 or more. You could bless them by looking at the

> tubs of vibhuti everday. You could even regurgitate Ramana and add >

in Taoism Sufism etc and explain the devoted masses what he really >

meant to say, and make changes where he forgot to ask for money or >

get people into activities.> Oh we would be so famous and helpful to

mankind. What about sex > teachings? Mystress Angelique could be in

charge and give > demonstrations.................Love

Tony./join

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-- Warwick Wakefield <formandsubstance

wrote:

> Hey Tony,

>

> that was pretty good, your outline of a PR

> incentivated, sangha.

>

> But you missed out a very important point.

>

> The Zen Stick.

>

> Naturally, our Beloved Master will encounter

> disciples who have doubts and resistance.

> As His name implies, He will have to deal very

> harshly with them. Public abuse and other forms of

> humiliation are the methods of choice in the world

> of spiritual business.

***********************

Thanks WW for the energy you are putting into this.

The use of capital H when referring to Him (me) is

very thoughtful but I am above praise and blame (more

or less).

 

I also appreciate the nice pun but "dealing harshly

with others" (even though it goes well with my name)

is not really my thing.

 

My basic teaching is, "Take it easy, take it easy."

 

I will keep my day job for now.

 

Thanks for the encouragement

Love to all

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Harsha

Friday, January 30, 2004 2:04 AM

Re: Re: about AMMA

-- Warwick Wakefield <formandsubstance (AT) tpg (DOT) com.au>wrote:> Hey Tony,> >

that was pretty good, your outline of a PR> incentivated, sangha.> >

But you missed out a very important point.> > The Zen Stick.> >

Naturally, our Beloved Master will encounter> disciples who have

doubts and resistance.> As His name implies, He will have to deal

very> harshly with them. Public abuse and other forms of> humiliation

are the methods of choice in the world> of spiritual business.

***********************Thanks WW for the energy you are putting into

this.The use of capital H when referring to Him (me) isvery

thoughtful but I am above praise and blame (moreor less).I also

appreciate the nice pun but "dealing harshlywith others" (even though

it goes well with my name)is not really my thing.My basic teaching is,

"Take it easy, take it easy." I will keep my day job for now. Thanks

for the encouragementLove to allHarsha

it's lonely at the top harsha....

by the way,

what is your day job??

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Dear Harsha

thank you for this posting!

B u t I really do not "understand" why the sangha must be "spiritually competitve"

Spirituality has to be put in practice by living it - or?

According to my personal experience when entering "market" spirituality gets lost

Awaiting your esteemed reply

michael bindel

>Harsha

> >It all comes down to different people having different >needs and

the markets providing the products (gurus, >teachings, malas, books,

seminars, etc.) needed by >people. That is just how it is. It is

neither good nor >bad. I mean people sell fitness equipment also. >

>When spirituality is conceptualized as a commodity, >the modern guru

business can be seen to be at least in

>part about fund raising and marketing.

Frankly, we need to get better at that here in the Sangha in order to

remain spiritually competitive.

>

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--- Sam <S.Pasiencier wrote:

>

> -

> Harsha

>

> Friday, January 30, 2004 2:04 AM

> Re: Re: about AMMA

>> I will keep my day job for now.

>

> Thanks for the encouragement

> Love to all

> Harsha

>

> it's lonely at the top harsha....

>

> by the way,

>

> what is your day job??

>

> Sam

 

Dear Sam,

 

I am an ordinary professor muddling through life as

best I can.

 

Love to all,

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Dear Michael Bindel,

 

I think Harsha was kidding! (?)

 

I hope.

 

 

warmest regards,

 

michael bowes

 

 

--- MICHAEL BINDEL <michael_bindel wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Harsha

 

thank you for this posting!

 

B u t I really do not "understand" why the sangha

must be "spiritually competitve"

 

Spirituality has to be put in practice by living it -

or?

 

According to my personal experience when entering

"market" spirituality gets lost

 

Awaiting your esteemed reply

 

 

michael bindel

 

 

 

 

>Harsha

>

>It all comes down to different people having

different

>needs and the markets providing the products (gurus,

>teachings, malas, books, seminars, etc.) needed by

>people. That is just how it is. It is neither good

nor

>bad. I mean people sell fitness equipment also.

>

>When spirituality is conceptualized as a commodity,

>the modern guru business can be seen to be at least

in

>part about fund raising and marketing.

 

Frankly, we need to get better at that here in the

Sangha in order to remain spiritually competitive.

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Harsha

 

thank you for this posting!

 

B u t I really do not "understand" why the sangha

must be "spiritually competitive"

 

Spirituality has to be put in practice by living it -

or?

 

According to my personal experience when entering

"market" spirituality gets lost

 

Awaiting your esteemed reply

 

 

michael bindel

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Thanks Michael for making this important point. You

are right. Sangha need not be spiritually competitive

os everyone can please relax.

 

What was said was in part tongue in cheek and that is

how Tony and WW responded to it and it was fun.

 

Sorry, if the humor was not obvious to everyone.

 

Eventually, I do plan to come out with a book of

something or the other.

 

Probable topics covered will be

 

Love, food, exercise, weight loss, tantra, and yoga

plus how to find one's soul mate and other popular

stuff.

 

It will probably need marketing and public relations.

 

 

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Friday, January 30, 2004 2:47 PM

Re: Re: about AMMA

--- Sam <S.Pasiencier (AT) planet (DOT) nl> wrote:> > ----- Original Message

----- > Harsha > >

Friday, January 30, 2004 2:04 AM> Re:

Re: about AMMA>> I will keep my day job for now. >

> Thanks for the encouragement> Love to all> Harsha > > it's

lonely at the top harsha....> > by the way,> > what is your day

job??> > SamDear Sam,I am an ordinary professor muddling through

life asbest I can. Love to all,Harsha

I used to be one of those, Mathematics,,, now I'm just muddling...

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Dear Harsha

thanks so much for your clear answer.

I love humour and I love authenticity.

Both are very rare - like LOVE.

What kind of professor you are?

Here in Central Europe all teachers in high school are professors.

Real professors are teaching at universities.

Regarding books

when I first read Dialogue with God Part 1-3 I was amazed. Really!

Because my kind of dialogue was very similar but I would never call it Dialogue with God.

By reading it a second time it was so clear....

And what happened to Walsh afterwards - clear too.

What I love in books is authenticity.

I would love to read what you start to write....

Joy laughter sunshine to you

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about AMMA >Fri, 30 Jan 2004 05:57:37 -0800 (PST) > >Dear

Harsha > >thank you for this posting! > >B u t I really do not

"understand" why the sangha >must be "spiritually competitive" >

>Spirituality has to be put in practice by living it - >or? >

>According to my personal experience when entering >"market"

spirituality gets lost > >Awaiting your esteemed reply > > >michael

bindel >*************************** >Thanks Michael for making this

important point. You >are right. Sangha need not be spiritually

competitive >os everyone can please relax. > >What was said was in

part tongue in cheek and that is >how Tony and WW responded to it and

it was fun. > >Sorry, if the humor was not obvious to everyone. >

>Eventually, I do plan to come out with a book of >something or the

other. > >Probable topics covered will be > >Love, food, exercise,

weight loss, tantra, and yoga >plus how to find one's soul mate and

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>> Dear Sam,

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> I am an ordinary professor muddling through life

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> Love to all,

> Harsha

>

> I used to be one of those, Mathematics,,, now I'm

> just muddling...

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After OSHO, were you not interested in going back to

teaching Math Sam?

 

My father was a math professor, and granfather also

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Thank you Michael Bindel for your kind comments.

 

Some of what I have written can be found on HS

website.

 

 

 

Harsha

 

 

 

--- MICHAEL BINDEL <michael_bindel wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Harsha

 

thanks so much for your clear answer.

 

I love humour and I love authenticity.

 

Both are very rare - like LOVE.

 

What kind of professor you are?

 

Here in Central Europe all teachers in high school are

professors. Real professors are teaching at

universities.

 

Regarding books

 

when I first read Dialogue with God Part 1-3 I was

amazed. Really!

Because my kind of dialogue was very similar but I

would never call it Dialogue with God.

By reading it a second time it was so clear....

And what happened to Walsh afterwards - clear too.

What I love in books is authenticity.

I would love to read what you start to write....

 

Joy laughter sunshine to you

 

;ichael Bindel tuscany

 

 

 

 

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Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:58 PM

Re: Re: about AMMA

--- Sam <S.Pasiencier (AT) planet (DOT) nl> wrote:> >> Dear Sam,> > I am an

ordinary professor muddling through life> as> best I can. > >

Love to all,> Harsha > > I used to be one of those,

Mathematics,,, now I'm> just muddling...*****************After OSHO,

were you not interested in going back toteaching Math Sam?My father

was a math professor, and granfather alsotaught math in high

school.Harsha

Interesting Harsha.. What was it like growing up with these geeks : - )..

Long story.. after Osho I wound up living in Holland and searching for

work which I got teaching math to military personnel via the

University of Maryland European Division. It was a great break for

me..So like a big circle.. first math.. then therapy, then Osho and

finally back to math..

Sam

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