Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Hi T.G.: Thank you for sharing your own personal experiences. , "teegee555" <Teegee555@a...> wrote: > Jim... Hi! > > Lovely hearing from you again. > > > > > TG: Hey, thanks for your permission! I could never have > used 'I' > > > if you didn't come along. > > Jim: > OK, how about responding to the questions: > > TG: Alrightey. More than happy to. > > > What, in your own personal or otherwise experience, happens after > the > > final question: Who am I? > Where do you or your attention go? > > As you are now a part of the whole mind, your attention goes to the > whole of all things. Thoughts are seen outside yourself. Your mind > is now quiet so there is nothing inside of your own mind to put your > attention to, except the knowledge of how quiet and peaceful your > mind is! > > > > What exactly do you experience - assuming it's describeable? > > It is describeable, although I guess you could compare the > description as if I were describing how wonderful and beautiful the > Grand Canyon is -- I could even show you pictures of it -- but, to > truly experience and appreciate the Grand Canyon, and get the whole > gist of it, you just have to be there. It's not that it is beyond > description. It's just that describing it cannot do it justice, if > that makes sense. > > As for an actual experience, I've sent you an offlist post of this. > > > > What happens to you? > What do you become or go into, etc.? > > You' become a part of the whole mind. Imagine for a second 'you' as > a body. You have your brain, your thoughts, your arms, legs, etc. > You are always a part of the whole mind, but now you can only see > from your eyes, think from your mind, etc. > > If you want to see it on paper, draw a big circle. Put a small stick > figure (you) inside it. Now draw a circle inside your stick > mind/brain to represent 'your' mind. > > With that pix, all your thoughts seem to be coming from your mind. > You can't see the whole, because you are still (thinking) you are a > body. > > Now, with this big circle picture, imagine now you are seeing from > the whole mind. Go outside your stick body's mind and look at the > big picture. Put pretend eyes on the big mind. > > Your thoughts will now be seen and not heard in your mind, if you are > seeing/hearing from the whole. If you are only hearing from the > whole mind, your thoughts will seem to have disappeared. > > > > Assuming you go into the Source as Ramana claims, how long do you > > stay there? > > The thing is, we are always there. > > > If you come out again, how does it occur and (in your opinion) why? > > Fear, doubt, some kind of fear, must pop in to come out of the > awareness. Having to get on with life here on Planet Earth. > > > Have you gone to the Source never to return? > > One couldn't live long in a body like that unless you were to be > taken care of. And this is my personal opinion, so take it with a > grain of salt. It is possible in this body to have a quiet mind > though. And again, allowing fear/doubt/fantasy to grasp onto, brings > that to a halt. > > > > Is there a way to stay in/as the Source/Self and yet do your job, > > attend your spouse and kids, pay the bills, use the restroom, fix > > dinner, etc.? > > These are just fears. Look at them, ask yourself if you want to keep > them, and if not, let them go. Don't seek for Love/God, but > eliminate all the things blocking the way for Love's presence. > ******* We should eliminate our imagined/projected egoic identiy (little me) which hides/covers our ever present true identity: Love (Self/Consciousness/etc.). > > Hope this helps! Please don't take any you's you see written > personally. They have nothing to do with you, as these were my > experiences. The 'you's' are meant generally. You should never take anything personally as there is truely no person anywhere...just you - Love (or whatever it's description...LOL). > > > thanks, > > You're welcome. Have a great day! > > Love, > xxxtg Love, jim > > > , "jim37rich" <jim37rich> > wrote: > > , "teegee555" <Teegee555@a...> > > wrote: > > > , "jim37rich" > <jim37rich> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > > > Ok, you got a wee bit nicer as we went along. I'm out of > estrogen > > > so you're very lucky I'm in a good mood. :-) > > > > > > > TG: > > It's not that the thought subsides, but that the > thought > > > then > > > > becomes a part of the whole, instead of a part of the part. The > > > > thought is there, but not in your own mind, but in the mind of > the > > > > whole. > > > > > > > > Jim: TG, if this is how you experience it, why not write: -- > - > > > but not > > > > in MY mind----? > > > > > > You are too funny. I have no idea why -- it never occurred to > > me! > > > Are you this picky with everything?! LOL Must be a Virgo. > Must > > I > > > show you how to chill???!!@#$!@#% > > > > > > But should we ever talk again, you can rest assured I will use > > proper > > > I's My's You's We's Us'n's. > > > > > > > TG:> > As you are now a part of the whole mind, your attention > > goes > > > > to the whole of all things. Thoughts are seen outside yourself > > (you, > > > > as Jim). Jim's mind is now quiet so there is nothing inside of > > your > > > > own mind to put your attention to, except the knowledge of how > > quiet > > > > and peaceful your mind is! > > > > > > > Jim: > Again, how is it that you can't write all that about > > > yourself > > > > instead of me or some other person.....How is it that you > > > can't/won't > > > > speak for your self here? You're just as good as anyone else > and > > > you > have my permission to speak of your own personal > experiences > > in > > > `I' statements. > > > > (clipped to top) > > > > > > Actually, I was following your lead. You kept using 'you', and I > > > mistakenly assumed you meant like the little 'you' (ego).... not > > (me) > > > literally. Usually here on the net (and please don't take this > as > > > preaching or sage advice) (LOL), those type words are emphasized > > with > > > astericks. I mistakenly saw them as astericks. Blonde here. My > > > bad. > > > > > > > TG: Hey buddyJim, lighten up! You didn't ask for a commentary on > > > > your experience. You asked for my experience. (which I gave > you). > > > > Personally though, I never asked the question 'Who Am I" as > this > > is > > > > not my path. I did ask "Who are you?" (in a sense). Since you > > > > like particulars, I literally asked "Please help me see (this > > > person) > > > > differently." > > > > > > > >Jim: Now that's an interesting approach. I did that > myself > > > once. > > > > The thing/being/entity I asked "Who are you?" said "I am > THEE!" > > > It's a rather long story though! > > > > > > TG: Would love to hear it if you ever get the time. Hey, > that's > > > the first non-stifling paragraph you wrote me! You're getting > > > better. Am I? :-) > > > > > > Jim:> I look forward to reading your story.....might even > > offer > > > you > > > > mine. > > > > > > TG: I sent to you offlist yesterday. Let me know if you didn't > > > receive it as I used the url to send you private > > mail. > > > I look forward to reading yours, too. > > > > > > > Jim: > > What happens to 'you'? What do you become or go into, > > > > etc.? > > > > > > TG: Now here's a perfect example of what I was talking about. > It > > > looks as if you are saying, what happens to *the little you*. > But > > I > > > promise to take you more literally from now on. Maybe. If you > get > > > nicer. If not, forgetaboutit. > > > > > > Jim: > Why not simply use `I' to begin with – unless there > > are > > > issues of shame and fear in speaking from `I' statements? > > > > > > TG: I probably have lots of shame and fear, but I don't think > > > from 'I' statements. If you keep this up, I will never use 'I' > > > again! Just to piss you off!! > > > > > > It's been fun. > > > > > > Love, > > > xxxtg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 , "jim37rich" <jim37rich> wrote: > Hi T.G.: > > > Thank you for sharing your own personal experiences. Hi Jim, Is this appreciation how you experienced it? You offered no "I" statements! And I literally asked for "I" statements!!! (not) How do I know this is truly your appreciative experience and not the opinions of others appreciative reality/process? Why not just write: -- "I want to thank you for sharing...."? Is it possible you have shame and fear issues with "I" statements? Yeesh Jim, all you need to do is honestly and sincerely offer your appreciation on my experiences the way I imagined in my mind everyone should respond, or decline to respond... no opinions of others appreciation or sage appreciation, which was not requested. Bah Humbug, xxxtg (Apologies in advance, Harsha -- I couldn't resist) :-) > > > , "teegee555" <Teegee555@a...> > wrote: > > Jim... Hi! > > > > Lovely hearing from you again. > > > > > > > > TG: Hey, thanks for your permission! I could never have > > used 'I' > > > > if you didn't come along. > > > > Jim: > OK, how about responding to the questions: > > > > TG: Alrightey. More than happy to. > > > > > What, in your own personal or otherwise experience, happens after > > the > > > final question: Who am I? > Where do you or your attention go? > > > > As you are now a part of the whole mind, your attention goes to the > > whole of all things. Thoughts are seen outside yourself. Your mind > > is now quiet so there is nothing inside of your own mind to put > your > > attention to, except the knowledge of how quiet and peaceful your > > mind is! > > > > > > > What exactly do you experience - assuming it's describeable? > > > > It is describeable, although I guess you could compare the > > description as if I were describing how wonderful and beautiful the > > Grand Canyon is -- I could even show you pictures of it -- but, to > > truly experience and appreciate the Grand Canyon, and get the whole > > gist of it, you just have to be there. It's not that it is beyond > > description. It's just that describing it cannot do it justice, if > > that makes sense. > > > > As for an actual experience, I've sent you an offlist post of > this. > > > > > > > What happens to you? > What do you become or go into, etc.? > > > > You' become a part of the whole mind. Imagine for a second 'you' as > > a body. You have your brain, your thoughts, your arms, legs, etc. > > You are always a part of the whole mind, but now you can only see > > from your eyes, think from your mind, etc. > > > > If you want to see it on paper, draw a big circle. Put a small stick > > figure (you) inside it. Now draw a circle inside your stick > > mind/brain to represent 'your' mind. > > > > With that pix, all your thoughts seem to be coming from your mind. > > You can't see the whole, because you are still (thinking) you are a > > body. > > > > Now, with this big circle picture, imagine now you are seeing from > > the whole mind. Go outside your stick body's mind and look at the > > big picture. Put pretend eyes on the big mind. > > > > Your thoughts will now be seen and not heard in your mind, if you > are > > seeing/hearing from the whole. If you are only hearing from the > > whole mind, your thoughts will seem to have disappeared. > > > > > > > Assuming you go into the Source as Ramana claims, how long do you > > > stay there? > > > > The thing is, we are always there. > > > > > If you come out again, how does it occur and (in your opinion) > why? > > > > Fear, doubt, some kind of fear, must pop in to come out of the > > awareness. Having to get on with life here on Planet Earth. > > > > > Have you gone to the Source never to return? > > > > One couldn't live long in a body like that unless you were to be > > taken care of. And this is my personal opinion, so take it with a > > grain of salt. It is possible in this body to have a quiet mind > > though. And again, allowing fear/doubt/fantasy to grasp onto, brings > > that to a halt. > > > > > > > Is there a way to stay in/as the Source/Self and yet do your job, > > > attend your spouse and kids, pay the bills, use the restroom, fix > > > dinner, etc.? > > > > These are just fears. Look at them, ask yourself if you want to keep > > them, and if not, let them go. Don't seek for Love/God, but > > eliminate all the things blocking the way for Love's presence. > > ******* > > We should eliminate our imagined/projected egoic identiy (little me) > which hides/covers our ever present true identity: Love > (Self/Consciousness/etc.). > > > > Hope this helps! Please don't take any you's you see written > > personally. They have nothing to do with you, as these were my > > experiences. The 'you's' are meant generally. > > You should never take anything personally as there is truely no > person anywhere...just you - Love (or whatever it's > description...LOL). > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > You're welcome. Have a great day! > > > > Love, > > xxxtg > > Love, > > jim > > > > > > > > , "jim37rich" <jim37rich> > > wrote: > > > , "teegee555" > <Teegee555@a...> > > > wrote: > > > > , "jim37rich" > > <jim37rich> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > > > > > Ok, you got a wee bit nicer as we went along. I'm out of > > estrogen > > > > so you're very lucky I'm in a good mood. :-) > > > > > > > > > TG: > > It's not that the thought subsides, but that the > > thought > > > > then > > > > > becomes a part of the whole, instead of a part of the part. > The > > > > > thought is there, but not in your own mind, but in the mind > of > > the > > > > > whole. > > > > > > > > > > Jim: TG, if this is how you experience it, why not > write: -- > > - > > > > but not > > > > > in MY mind----? > > > > > > > > You are too funny. I have no idea why -- it never occurred to > > > me! > > > > Are you this picky with everything?! LOL Must be a Virgo. > > Must > > > I > > > > show you how to chill???!!@#$!@#% > > > > > > > > But should we ever talk again, you can rest assured I will use > > > proper > > > > I's My's You's We's Us'n's. > > > > > > > > > TG:> > As you are now a part of the whole mind, your > attention > > > goes > > > > > to the whole of all things. Thoughts are seen outside > yourself > > > (you, > > > > > as Jim). Jim's mind is now quiet so there is nothing inside > of > > > your > > > > > own mind to put your attention to, except the knowledge of > how > > > quiet > > > > > and peaceful your mind is! > > > > > > > > > Jim: > Again, how is it that you can't write all that > about > > > > yourself > > > > > instead of me or some other person.....How is it that you > > > > can't/won't > > > > > speak for your self here? You're just as good as anyone else > > and > > > > you > have my permission to speak of your own personal > > experiences > > > in > > > > `I' statements. > > > > > > (clipped to top) > > > > > > > > Actually, I was following your lead. You kept using 'you', and > I > > > > mistakenly assumed you meant like the little 'you' (ego).... > not > > > (me) > > > > literally. Usually here on the net (and please don't take > this > > as > > > > preaching or sage advice) (LOL), those type words are > emphasized > > > with > > > > astericks. I mistakenly saw them as astericks. Blonde here. > My > > > > bad. > > > > > > > > > TG: Hey buddyJim, lighten up! You didn't ask for a commentary > on > > > > > your experience. You asked for my experience. (which I gave > > you). > > > > > Personally though, I never asked the question 'Who Am I" as > > this > > > is > > > > > not my path. I did ask "Who are you?" (in a sense). Since you > > > > > like particulars, I literally asked "Please help me see (this > > > > person) > > > > > differently." > > > > > > > > > >Jim: Now that's an interesting approach. I did that > > myself > > > > once. > > > > > The thing/being/entity I asked "Who are you?" said "I am > > THEE!" > > > > It's a rather long story though! > > > > > > > > TG: Would love to hear it if you ever get the time. Hey, > > that's > > > > the first non-stifling paragraph you wrote me! You're getting > > > > better. Am I? :-) > > > > > > > > Jim:> I look forward to reading your story.....might even > > > offer > > > > you > > > > > mine. > > > > > > > > TG: I sent to you offlist yesterday. Let me know if you > didn't > > > > receive it as I used the url to send you private > > > mail. > > > > I look forward to reading yours, too. > > > > > > > > > Jim: > > What happens to 'you'? What do you become or go into, > > > > > etc.? > > > > > > > > TG: Now here's a perfect example of what I was talking about. > > It > > > > looks as if you are saying, what happens to *the little you*. > > But > > > I > > > > promise to take you more literally from now on. Maybe. If you > > get > > > > nicer. If not, forgetaboutit. > > > > > > > > Jim: > Why not simply use `I' to begin with – unless > there > > > are > > > > issues of shame and fear in speaking from `I' statements? > > > > > > > > TG: I probably have lots of shame and fear, but I don't think > > > > from 'I' statements. If you keep this up, I will never use 'I' > > > > again! Just to piss you off!! > > > > > > > > It's been fun. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > xxxtg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 --- teegee555 <Teegee555 wrote: > , "jim37rich" > <jim37rich> > wrote: > > Hi T.G.: > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your own personal > experiences. > > > Hi Jim, > > Is this appreciation how you experienced it? You > offered no "I" > statements! And I literally asked for "I" > statements!!! (not) How > do I know this is truly your appreciative experience > and not the > opinions of others appreciative reality/process? > Why not just > write: -- "I want to thank you for sharing...."? > Is it possible you > have shame and fear issues with "I" statements? > > Yeesh Jim, all you need to do is honestly and > sincerely offer your > appreciation on my experiences the way I imagined in > my mind everyone > should respond, or decline to respond... no opinions > of others > appreciation or sage appreciation, which was not > requested. > > Bah Humbug, > xxxtg > > (Apologies in advance, Harsha -- I couldn't resist) > :-) This entity always responds favorably to humor coming through your body/mind complex. Thank you emanates from the processes going on. Love to all Harsha ===== /join SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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