Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Hi there T.G.: , "teegee555" <Teegee555@a...> wrote: > , "jim37rich" <jim37rich> > wrote: > > Hi T.G.: > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your own personal experiences. > > > Hi Jim, > > Is this appreciation how you experienced it? Yes. You offered no "I" > statements! And I literally asked for "I" statements!!! (not) How > do I know this is truly your appreciative experience and not the > opinions of others appreciative reality/process? This question is confusing - please explain or expand it. Why not just > write: -- "I want to thank you for sharing...."? Yes, why not? Is it possible you > have shame and fear issues with "I" statements? Could be! > > Yeesh Jim, all you need to do is honestly and sincerely offer your > appreciation on my experiences the way I imagined in my mind everyone > should respond, or decline to respond... Your annoyance is understandable. no opinions of others > appreciation or sage appreciation, which was not requested. Gottcha! > > Bah Humbug, > xxxtg > > (Apologies in advance, Harsha -- I couldn't resist) :-) It was strange but interesting..... with love, This > > > > > > > , "teegee555" <Teegee555@a...> > > wrote: > > > Jim... Hi! > > > > > > Lovely hearing from you again. > > > > > > > > > > > TG: Hey, thanks for your permission! I could never have > > > used 'I' > > > > > if you didn't come along. > > > > > > Jim: > OK, how about responding to the questions: > > > > > > TG: Alrightey. More than happy to. > > > > > > > What, in your own personal or otherwise experience, happens > after > > > the > > > > final question: Who am I? > Where do you or your attention go? > > > > > > As you are now a part of the whole mind, your attention goes to > the > > > whole of all things. Thoughts are seen outside yourself. Your > mind > > > is now quiet so there is nothing inside of your own mind to put > > your > > > attention to, except the knowledge of how quiet and peaceful your > > > mind is! > > > > > > > > > > What exactly do you experience - assuming it's describeable? > > > > > > It is describeable, although I guess you could compare the > > > description as if I were describing how wonderful and beautiful > the > > > Grand Canyon is -- I could even show you pictures of it -- but, to > > > truly experience and appreciate the Grand Canyon, and get the > whole > > > gist of it, you just have to be there. It's not that it is beyond > > > description. It's just that describing it cannot do it justice, if > > > that makes sense. > > > > > > As for an actual experience, I've sent you an offlist post of > > this. > > > > > > > > > > What happens to you? > What do you become or go into, etc.? > > > > > > You' become a part of the whole mind. Imagine for a second 'you' > as > > > a body. You have your brain, your thoughts, your arms, legs, etc. > > > You are always a part of the whole mind, but now you can only see > > > from your eyes, think from your mind, etc. > > > > > > If you want to see it on paper, draw a big circle. Put a small > stick > > > figure (you) inside it. Now draw a circle inside your stick > > > mind/brain to represent 'your' mind. > > > > > > With that pix, all your thoughts seem to be coming from your mind. > > > You can't see the whole, because you are still (thinking) you are > a > > > body. > > > > > > Now, with this big circle picture, imagine now you are seeing from > > > the whole mind. Go outside your stick body's mind and look at the > > > big picture. Put pretend eyes on the big mind. > > > > > > Your thoughts will now be seen and not heard in your mind, if you > > are > > > seeing/hearing from the whole. If you are only hearing from the > > > whole mind, your thoughts will seem to have disappeared. > > > > > > > > > > Assuming you go into the Source as Ramana claims, how long do > you > > > > stay there? > > > > > > The thing is, we are always there. > > > > > > > If you come out again, how does it occur and (in your opinion) > > why? > > > > > > Fear, doubt, some kind of fear, must pop in to come out of the > > > awareness. Having to get on with life here on Planet Earth. > > > > > > > Have you gone to the Source never to return? > > > > > > One couldn't live long in a body like that unless you were to be > > > taken care of. And this is my personal opinion, so take it with a > > > grain of salt. It is possible in this body to have a quiet mind > > > though. And again, allowing fear/doubt/fantasy to grasp onto, > brings > > > that to a halt. > > > > > > > > > > Is there a way to stay in/as the Source/Self and yet do your > job, > > > > attend your spouse and kids, pay the bills, use the restroom, > fix > > > > dinner, etc.? > > > > > > These are just fears. Look at them, ask yourself if you want to > keep > > > them, and if not, let them go. Don't seek for Love/God, but > > > eliminate all the things blocking the way for Love's presence. > > > ******* > > > > We should eliminate our imagined/projected egoic identiy (little > me) > > which hides/covers our ever present true identity: Love > > (Self/Consciousness/etc.). > > > > > > Hope this helps! Please don't take any you's you see written > > > personally. They have nothing to do with you, as these were my > > > experiences. The 'you's' are meant generally. > > > > You should never take anything personally as there is truely no > > person anywhere...just you - Love (or whatever it's > > description...LOL). > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > You're welcome. Have a great day! > > > > > > Love, > > > xxxtg > > > > Love, > > > > jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "jim37rich" > <jim37rich> > > > wrote: > > > > , "teegee555" > > <Teegee555@a...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > , "jim37rich" > > > <jim37rich> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > > > > > > > Ok, you got a wee bit nicer as we went along. I'm out of > > > estrogen > > > > > so you're very lucky I'm in a good mood. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > TG: > > It's not that the thought subsides, but that the > > > thought > > > > > then > > > > > > becomes a part of the whole, instead of a part of the part. > > The > > > > > > thought is there, but not in your own mind, but in the mind > > of > > > the > > > > > > whole. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim: TG, if this is how you experience it, why not > > write: -- > > > - > > > > > but not > > > > > > in MY mind----? > > > > > > > > > > You are too funny. I have no idea why -- it never occurred > to > > > > me! > > > > > Are you this picky with everything?! LOL Must be a Virgo. > > > Must > > > > I > > > > > show you how to chill???!!@#$!@#% > > > > > > > > > > But should we ever talk again, you can rest assured I will > use > > > > proper > > > > > I's My's You's We's Us'n's. > > > > > > > > > > > TG:> > As you are now a part of the whole mind, your > > attention > > > > goes > > > > > > to the whole of all things. Thoughts are seen outside > > yourself > > > > (you, > > > > > > as Jim). Jim's mind is now quiet so there is nothing inside > > of > > > > your > > > > > > own mind to put your attention to, except the knowledge of > > how > > > > quiet > > > > > > and peaceful your mind is! > > > > > > > > > > > Jim: > Again, how is it that you can't write all that > > about > > > > > yourself > > > > > > instead of me or some other person.....How is it that you > > > > > can't/won't > > > > > > speak for your self here? You're just as good as anyone > else > > > and > > > > > you > have my permission to speak of your own personal > > > experiences > > > > in > > > > > `I' statements. > > > > > > > > (clipped to top) > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I was following your lead. You kept using 'you', > and > > I > > > > > mistakenly assumed you meant like the little 'you' (ego).... > > not > > > > (me) > > > > > literally. Usually here on the net (and please don't take > > this > > > as > > > > > preaching or sage advice) (LOL), those type words are > > emphasized > > > > with > > > > > astericks. I mistakenly saw them as astericks. Blonde > here. > > My > > > > > bad. > > > > > > > > > > > TG: Hey buddyJim, lighten up! You didn't ask for a > commentary > > on > > > > > > your experience. You asked for my experience. (which I gave > > > you). > > > > > > Personally though, I never asked the question 'Who Am I" as > > > this > > > > is > > > > > > not my path. I did ask "Who are you?" (in a sense). Since > you > > > > > > like particulars, I literally asked "Please help me see > (this > > > > > person) > > > > > > differently." > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim: Now that's an interesting approach. I did that > > > myself > > > > > once. > > > > > > The thing/being/entity I asked "Who are you?" said "I am > > > THEE!" > > > > > It's a rather long story though! > > > > > > > > > > TG: Would love to hear it if you ever get the time. Hey, > > > that's > > > > > the first non-stifling paragraph you wrote me! You're > getting > > > > > better. Am I? :-) > > > > > > > > > > Jim:> I look forward to reading your story.....might > even > > > > offer > > > > > you > > > > > > mine. > > > > > > > > > > TG: I sent to you offlist yesterday. Let me know if you > > didn't > > > > > receive it as I used the url to send you private > > > > mail. > > > > > I look forward to reading yours, too. > > > > > > > > > > > Jim: > > What happens to 'you'? What do you become or go > into, > > > > > > etc.? > > > > > > > > > > TG: Now here's a perfect example of what I was talking > about. > > > It > > > > > looks as if you are saying, what happens to *the little > you*. > > > But > > > > I > > > > > promise to take you more literally from now on. Maybe. If > you > > > get > > > > > nicer. If not, forgetaboutit. > > > > > > > > > > Jim: > Why not simply use `I' to begin with – unless > > there > > > > are > > > > > issues of shame and fear in speaking from `I' statements? > > > > > > > > > > TG: I probably have lots of shame and fear, but I don't > think > > > > > from 'I' statements. If you keep this up, I will never > use 'I' > > > > > again! Just to piss you off!! > > > > > > > > > > It's been fun. > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > xxxtg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 , "jim37rich" <jim37rich> wrote: > Hi there T.G.: > > > , "teegee555" <Teegee555@a...> > wrote: > > , "jim37rich" <jim37rich> > > wrote: > > > Hi T.G.: > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your own personal experiences. > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > Is this appreciation how you experienced it? > > Yes. > > You offered no "I" > > statements! And I literally asked for "I" statements!!! (not) > How > > do I know this is truly your appreciative experience and not the > > opinions of others appreciative reality/process? > > This question is confusing - please explain or expand it. > > Why not just > > write: -- "I want to thank you for sharing...."? > > > Yes, why not? > > Is it possible you > > have shame and fear issues with "I" statements? > > Could be! > > > > > > Yeesh Jim, all you need to do is honestly and sincerely offer your > > appreciation on my experiences the way I imagined in my mind > everyone > > should respond, or decline to respond... > > Your annoyance is understandable. > > > > no opinions of others > > appreciation or sage appreciation, which was not requested. > > Gottcha! > > > > > Bah Humbug, > > xxxtg > > > > (Apologies in advance, Harsha -- I couldn't resist) :-) > > It was strange but interesting..... Hi Jim... Then our work is done. :-) Love, xxxtg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.