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The poem in the link below was in a recent ND Highlights posted by

Mark Otter. It struck me because I like the way Adyashanti expresses.

It also reminded me of what Harshaji has said to us in so many ways,

most recently in Sahaj Samadhi. I remember when I first read "The

Ordinary Mind is the Buddha Mind" which Harsha wrote in the most

recent edition of the HSS mag.

I thought... "WHAT? The Ordinary mind is the Buddha mind? Just when I

am starting to begin to grasp all this intricate conceptual stuff, you

want to tell me that it is that simple? Hmmphh, #&**&^(@#%#&^, and

phooey on you, too!"

I hate it when you are right, Harshaji :-)

Anyway, this is how the poem is introduced...

One day while meditating Adyashanti heard a bird chirping and the

question arose "Who hears this sound?" [ Hmmmmm...sound

familiar?...LJ]

He then wrote this poem:

http://www.omshaantih.com/Ordinary1.html

Love,

Joyce

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Dear Joyce,

Thank you for this posting.

Please don't think I am trying to give the impression of being

knowledgeable -- in fact I have just woken from an afternoon sleep

and I am feeling quite disoriented -- but your posting reminds me of

something that Francis Lucille once said, that this ordinary

consciousness that one always knows is what one is seeking, and, that

when things are rightly seen, there is no Seer and there is no object

seen (a tennis racquet, say) there is only seeing.

Very much love

Warwick

-

Lady Joyce

Monday, February 02, 2004 3:17 PM

So Ordinary

The poem in the link below was in a recent ND Highlights posted by

Mark Otter. It struck me because I like the way Adyashanti expresses.

It also reminded me of what Harshaji has said to us in so many ways,

most recently in Sahaj Samadhi. I remember when I first read "The

Ordinary Mind is the Buddha Mind" which Harsha wrote in the most

recent edition of the HSS mag.

I thought... "WHAT? The Ordinary mind is the Buddha mind? Just when I

am starting to begin to grasp all this intricate conceptual stuff, you

want to tell me that it is that simple? Hmmphh, #&**&^(@#%#&^, and

phooey on you, too!"

I hate it when you are right, Harshaji :-)

Anyway, this is how the poem is introduced...

One day while meditating Adyashanti heard a bird chirping and the

question arose "Who hears this sound?" [ Hmmmmm...sound

familiar?...LJ]

He then wrote this poem:

http://www.omshaantih.com/Ordinary1.html

Love,

Joyce

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Dear Joyce,

What a storm has erupted since this was posted.

Do you think it would make any difference if one were to make a

distinction between "mind" and "consciousness".

This is what Sri Atmananda does in his little book, Atma Darshan.

In this case, "consciousness" would be unmoving.

That's the most significant thing about it, "Consciousness doesn't move."

It would have no attributes. It would have no boundaries, so no

separation is possible. It would not exist within the realm of time.

"Mind', on the other hand, is constantly moving. Mind has its

existence firmly within the realm of time. Mind has shape and

boundaries, so separation is not only possible, it is inevitable.

Consciousness is that which, being itself unmoving, can see all the movements of thoughts-in-time.

The next step is to see that the two realms, time and eternity, mind

and consciousness, are not really separate.

Mind is the continually-changing form, or forms, assumed by consciousness.

Mind, (ideas, perception, emotions-that-come-and-go, fears, hopes,

)occur within consciousness.

To use the well-known ocean metaphor, ocean is water.

In its depths of the ocean,the water is still; it is consciousness.

On the surface it assumes form, waves, that are constantly in motion.

In the metaphor, waves are mind, thoughts, emotion and the like.

But waves are not separate from water; they are just water-in-motion.

And the depths of the ocean is water -at- rest.

And ocean is all.

Although one is mostly mind, one is not essentially, or even

necessarily, mind; one can be water at rest, pure, formless

consciousness.

But one is always, and necessarily, consciousness.

Is that helpful in any way?

Much love

Warwick

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Lady Joyce

Monday, February 02, 2004 3:17 PM

So Ordinary

The poem in the link below was in a recent ND Highlights posted by

Mark Otter. It struck me because I like the way Adyashanti expresses.

It also reminded me of what Harshaji has said to us in so many ways,

most recently in Sahaj Samadhi. I remember when I first read "The

Ordinary Mind is the Buddha Mind" which Harsha wrote in the most

recent edition of the HSS mag.

I thought... "WHAT? The Ordinary mind is the Buddha mind? Just when I

am starting to begin to grasp all this intricate conceptual stuff, you

want to tell me that it is that simple? Hmmphh, #&**&^(@#%#&^, and

phooey on you, too!"

I hate it when you are right, Harshaji :-)

Anyway, this is how the poem is introduced...

One day while meditating Adyashanti heard a bird chirping and the

question arose "Who hears this sound?" [ Hmmmmm...sound

familiar?...LJ]

He then wrote this poem:

http://www.omshaantih.com/Ordinary1.html

Love,

Joyce

/join

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is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma To visit your group on the web, go

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, "Warwick Wakefield"

<formandsubstance@t...> wrote:

> Dear Joyce,

>

> What a storm has erupted since this was posted.

>

> Do you think it would make any difference if one were to make a

distinction between "mind" and "consciousness".

> This is what Sri Atmananda does in his little book, Atma Darshan.

>

Namaste,

 

Conscious of what? There is ultimately no need for consciousness it

is Saguna quality.........ONS...Tony

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>Conscious of what? There is ultimately no need for consciousness it

>is Saguna quality.........ONS...Tony

Posting above

Love

itself is the actual form of God

may I ask;

When is ultimately?

(What is Saguna and Nirguna ? )

Alan

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