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The meaning of the often used Sanskrit/Hindi word

"Namaste" is roughly meant to convey that "I bow to

the light in you."

 

This metaphor is acted out in many spiritual

traditions by actually prostrating before the guru

(putting head at his or her feet). I often prostrated

before my own guru in reverence.

 

True prostration to someone is spontaneous and not

premeditated. And a genuine bowing certainly need not

be physical. When the mind comes down to the Heart,

that is the supreme bowing and leads to complete

silence.

 

Sri Ramana never asked for or ever encouraged people

to bow or prostrate to him. Sometimes he was irritated

by it.

 

Required kneeling to someone, a guru or the group

leader, when it is part of an institutionalized

practice may be a subtle form of violence. I have seen

many groups like that.

 

Prostrating and kneeling to a guru can go beyond just

spiritual bowing and may involve elements of power,

debasement, and the notion that some are implicitly

more equal (closer to God, etc.) than others.

 

Group psychology can be very powerful and when used

negatively can have harmful consequences. That is my

observation after being in the "spiritual arena" for

more than four decades.

 

Probably people do what they consider to be best for

themselves.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

 

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, Harsha <harshaimtm>

wrote:

> The meaning of the often used Sanskrit/Hindi word

> "Namaste" is roughly meant to convey that "I bow to

> the light in you."

>

> This metaphor is acted out in many spiritual

> traditions by actually prostrating before the guru

> (putting head at his or her feet). I often prostrated

> before my own guru in reverence.

>

> True prostration to someone is spontaneous and not

> premeditated. And a genuine bowing certainly need not

> be physical. When the mind comes down to the Heart,

> that is the supreme bowing and leads to complete

> silence.

>

> Sri Ramana never asked for or ever encouraged people

> to bow or prostrate to him. Sometimes he was irritated

> by it.

>

> Required kneeling to someone, a guru or the group

> leader, when it is part of an institutionalized

> practice may be a subtle form of violence. I have seen

> many groups like that.

>

> Prostrating and kneeling to a guru can go beyond just

> spiritual bowing and may involve elements of power,

> debasement, and the notion that some are implicitly

> more equal (closer to God, etc.) than others.

>

> Group psychology can be very powerful and when used

> negatively can have harmful consequences. That is my

> observation after being in the "spiritual arena" for

> more than four decades.

>

> Probably people do what they consider to be best for

> themselves.

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

 

Namaste H et al,

 

Yes I think it is better left to pop groups, and japanese

businessmen.........ONS..Tony

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devi: last summer after not seeing my Guru for a year, i walked up to

where he was standing with a group of people to say hello and just as

i got there he dropped something and i got to bend down to pick it

up..i felt as though he dropped it just so i could pick it up and so

i could feel as if i bowed down to him, (i'm sure he knows that i

like that)which i am moved to do. whether he was aware of my feelings

or whether he did that on purpose i don't know....i am an american,

but alot of my life i've wondered why because i've always felt like

india was my home, that i had spent many lifetimes, i love the dress,

the food, the Gods and Godesses, and touching the feet of the Guru...

(by the way, babaji hardly lets an american do that, also he doens't

let anyone touch him so that solves that problem..too) i think alot

of us who are attracted to that indian teaching just have that

sanskara, impression, conditining, from many lifetimes in that part

of the world..

 

 

 

also,for example when yogananda wrote his book autobiograpy of a yogi

he planted some very beautiful thoughts about guru-disciple

relationship, as soon as i read that book my life became the search

for the Guru...i was lucky and found a good one...it took me six

years to reach him..

 

i'm very sad sometimes when i think of the abusive gurus around, i

serioulsy don't understand it..(as with sai baba and adi da)

 

thanks for the memeories

and sorry if my thoughts seem disjointed, i don't have that natural

ability (actually i think its a siddi) to have long thoughts.....

 

namaste

 

 

 

> The meaning of the often used Sanskrit/Hindi word

> "Namaste" is roughly meant to convey that "I bow to

> the light in you."

>

> This metaphor is acted out in many spiritual

> traditions by actually prostrating before the guru

> (putting head at his or her feet). I often prostrated

> before my own guru in reverence.

>

> True prostration to someone is spontaneous and not

> premeditated. And a genuine bowing certainly need not

> be physical. When the mind comes down to the Heart,

> that is the supreme bowing and leads to complete

> silence.

>

> Sri Ramana never asked for or ever encouraged people

> to bow or prostrate to him. Sometimes he was irritated

> by it.

>

> Required kneeling to someone, a guru or the group

> leader, when it is part of an institutionalized

> practice may be a subtle form of violence. I have seen

> many groups like that.

>

> Prostrating and kneeling to a guru can go beyond just

> spiritual bowing and may involve elements of power,

> debasement, and the notion that some are implicitly

> more equal (closer to God, etc.) than others.

>

> Group psychology can be very powerful and when used

> negatively can have harmful consequences. That is my

> observation after being in the "spiritual arena" for

> more than four decades.

>

> Probably people do what they consider to be best for

> themselves.

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

>

>

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Thanks Devi. It is nice to have such a wonderful

connection with your teacher as you do.

 

You are right about being attracted to Indian things

due to previous incarnations.

 

Sri Ramana referred to Major Chadwick (Sadhu

Arunachala) as "one of us" and in the context

indicated that he had been connected to them in

previous lives.

 

I have known other people Western born who are

unusually attracted to Indian things.

 

Of course most Indians are very much attracted to

Western things, highly materialistic, and only

superficially interested in deep spirituality.

 

So it is certainly not a one way street! :-).

 

That's how these things go.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

 

 

 

--- devianandi <devi wrote:

> devi: last summer after not seeing my Guru for a

> year, i walked up to

> where he was standing with a group of people to say

> hello and just as

> i got there he dropped something and i got to bend

> down to pick it

> up..i felt as though he dropped it just so i could

> pick it up and so

> i could feel as if i bowed down to him, (i'm sure he

> knows that i

> like that)which i am moved to do. whether he was

> aware of my feelings

> or whether he did that on purpose i don't know....i

> am an american,

> but alot of my life i've wondered why because i've

> always felt like

> india was my home, that i had spent many lifetimes,

> i love the dress,

> the food, the Gods and Godesses, and touching the

> feet of the Guru...

> (by the way, babaji hardly lets an american do that,

> also he doens't

> let anyone touch him so that solves that

> problem..too) i think alot

> of us who are attracted to that indian teaching just

> have that

> sanskara, impression, conditining, from many

> lifetimes in that part

> of the world..

>

>

>

> also,for example when yogananda wrote his book

> autobiograpy of a yogi

> he planted some very beautiful thoughts about

> guru-disciple

> relationship, as soon as i read that book my life

> became the search

> for the Guru...i was lucky and found a good one...it

> took me six

> years to reach him..

>

> i'm very sad sometimes when i think of the abusive

> gurus around, i

> serioulsy don't understand it..(as with sai baba and

> adi da)

>

> thanks for the memeories

> and sorry if my thoughts seem disjointed, i don't

> have that natural

> ability (actually i think its a siddi) to have long

> thoughts.....

>

> namaste

>

 

 

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/join

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> Thanks Devi. It is nice to have such a wonderful

> connection with your teacher as you do.

 

devi: yes it is, my love for him runs very deep and he is so pure..i

think he must be the kindest man on the planet..

>

> You are right about being attracted to Indian things

> due to previous incarnations.

>

> Sri Ramana referred to Major Chadwick (Sadhu

> Arunachala) as "one of us" and in the context

> indicated that he had been connected to them in

> previous lives.

 

devi: oh really! i'll have to remember that littlel piece of trivia

the next time i run into a ramana devotee who doens't think re-

incarnation is possible...

>

> I have known other people Western born who are

> unusually attracted to Indian things.

>

> Of course most Indians are very much attracted to

> Western things, highly materialistic, and only

> superficially interested in deep spirituality.

>

> So it is certainly not a one way street! :-).

>

> That's how these things go.

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

 

devi: by the way harshaji, the last time you announced that you were

going on a trip i was moved to find a good picture of ganesh for you

to make sure there were no obstacles in your way but got caught up in

all the beautiful sites and by the time i picked a good one, you

probably had already left...i may not post for a long time in here

but i'm always around..you have a loveley group

 

smiles

devi

 

babaji left last saturday to go to india, when he's in this country i

know where he is and what hes doing most of the time..i know when he

gives satsang and can picture him sitting there and i know when he

gets there and when he leaves and i know his room at home where he

probably spend alot of his time and i know his work schedule and his

teaching scheduale and when he eats and when he has tea...and when he

gets up in the morning and when he goes to sleep...smiles...i know

him better than my own family. it's funny, but yet, i've only seen

him a handfull of times in the past 20 years..

>

>

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, Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote:

> The meaning of the often used Sanskrit/Hindi word

> "Namaste" is roughly meant to convey that "I bow to

> the light in you."

>

> This metaphor is acted out in many spiritual

> traditions by actually prostrating before the guru

> (putting head at his or her feet). I often prostrated

> before my own guru in reverence.

>

> True prostration to someone is spontaneous and not

> premeditated. And a genuine bowing certainly need not

> be physical. When the mind comes down to the Heart,

> that is the supreme bowing and leads to complete

> silence.

>

> Sri Ramana never asked for or ever encouraged people

> to bow or prostrate to him. Sometimes he was irritated

> by it.

>

> Required kneeling to someone, a guru or the group

> leader, when it is part of an institutionalized

> practice may be a subtle form of violence. I have seen

> many groups like that.

>

> Prostrating and kneeling to a guru can go beyond just

> spiritual bowing and may involve elements of power,

> debasement, and the notion that some are implicitly

> more equal (closer to God, etc.) than others.

>

> Group psychology can be very powerful and when used

> negatively can have harmful consequences. That is my

> observation after being in the "spiritual arena" for

> more than four decades.

>

> Probably people do what they consider to be best for

> themselves.

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

>

>

 

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Why are the feet worshipped ?

 

What are feet ? Feet is foundation on which we are built. Therefore,

when we touch someone's feet we are bowing to their foundation i.e

their Self. When I touch the feet of any sanyas, I say 'give me

vaigraya.' But how is vaigraya cultivated ? Shankara says 'By

meditating on the Self, vaigraya is gained.' But vaigraya is not

given. By washing our feet before entering a temple, we ask that the

(ego) dust on our feet may be washed away. Vaigraya is left when the

dust is removed. What do the two feet signify ? Gods and Goddesses,

in general, have several hands, several heads but only two feet. Two

feet signifies 'Tvam' and 'tat'. By surrendering to the feet, we

realize tat tvam asi because there is no difference between the two

feet. May Lord Shiva-Shakti pull us to Him so that we lose

our "individuality" and become one with That.

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Dear Harsha

thank you for your posting

the following part is what touches me the most and what I accept fully

and try to remember it thruout day and night

life is so fullfilled if living accordingly

every distractions leads only to suffering in many ways

at least in my humble experience

how great it is to learn so much by Ramana

 

isnt the "discussions" about other "sages" like Tolle so futile

because if you found "it" you keep being silent

or?

 

what wonders me soooo much everywhere

we do live in such an import phase of history the end of a cycle is

near and can be felt and so few take this matter up

no discussion about this

w h y ?

being afraid of facing it?

 

awaiting your really esteemed answer

 

michael bindel in tuscany

.. When the mind comes down to the Heart, that is the supreme bowing and leads to complete silence.

 

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we do live in such an import phase of history the end of a cycle is

near and can be felt and so few take this matter up

no discussion about this

w h y ?

being afraid of facing it?

 

awaiting your really esteemed answer

 

michael bindel in tuscany

Dear Michael

at one point in time I was really looking forward to "The Golden

Age" looking at earthquake/volcanic activity every day loking for

signs of earth changes evidence that yes! the Golden Age accenscion,

what ever, was starting to happen and then I realised that I was not

really appreciating the moment and was wasting my time.

If it dosnt get any better than this thats ok.

John Lennon said " Life is what happens when you are doing somthing else."

I do agree that something unusual is happening though.

A lot of my friends are suffering cycles which include extreme fatigue.

One theory being that the DNA is being altered from 2 strand to 10/12

or that light workers are going out in their sleep to lift the

vibration of Mother Earth and its residents, hence the tiredness.

Take your pick.

As a therapist I feel that the healing process is now more powerfull

than ever and more rapid. I can also feel energy moving around this

form from time to time especially if I do Chi Gong.Dont know if this

conversation fits the remit of the Sat- Sang and if not I appologise.

However virtually all religions forecast an event similar to that

outlined in Revelations in the Bible.

Regards Chris

..

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Dear Chris

thanks for your answer If it possible for you have a look at

BIBLE CODE specially part 2

Which form of therapy you are using?

I noted an ever increasing resistance to be ready for real changes in the clients world.

All the best to you

Michael Bindel

>"AnneChris"

> >

>Re: Re: On the nature of bowing >Wed,

4 Feb 2004 07:18:38 -0000 > > > we do live in such an import phase

of history the end of a cycle is near and can be felt and so few

take this matter up > no discussion about this > w h y ? >

being afraid of facing it? > > awaiting your really esteemed answer

> > michael bindel in tuscany > > Dear Michael > > at

one point in time I was really looking forward to "The Golden Age"

looking at earthquake/volcanic activity every day loking for signs of

earth changes evidence that yes! the Golden Age accenscion, what ever,

was starting to happen and then I realised that I was not really

appreciating the moment and was wasting my time. > > If it dosnt

get any better than this thats ok. > > John Lennon said " Life is

what happens when you are doing somthing else." > > I do agree that

something unusual is happening though. > > A lot of my friends are

suffering cycles which include extreme fatigue. > > One theory

being that the DNA is being altered from 2 strand to 10/12 > > or

that light workers are going out in their sleep to lift the vibration

of Mother Earth and its residents, hence the tiredness. Take your

pick. > > As a therapist I feel that the healing process is now

more powerfull than ever and more rapid. I can also feel energy

moving around this form from time to time especially if I do Chi

Gong. > Dont know if this conversation fits the remit of the Sat-

Sang and if not I appologise. > > However virtually all religions

forecast an event similar to that outlined in Revelations in the

Bible. > > Regards Chris > > . STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8

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Dear Chris

thanks for your answer If it possible for you have a look at

BIBLE CODE specially part 2

Have glanced through a friends copy but not done it justice.

Which form of therapy you are using?

Bi-aura Michael

see www.bi-aura.com practioners Scotland Chris Hughes

I noted an ever increasing resistance to be ready for real changes in the clients world.

Some are some are not

All the best to you

and to you

Chris

Michael Bindel

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, "AnneChris" <am009a8716@b...>

wrote:

>

> we do live in such an import phase of history the end of a cycle

is near and can be felt and so few take this matter up

> no discussion about this

> w h y ?

> being afraid of facing it?

>

> awaiting your really esteemed answer

>

> michael bindel in tuscany

>

> Dear Michael

>

> at one point in time I was really looking forward to "The

Golden Age" looking at earthquake/volcanic activity every day loking

for signs of earth changes evidence that yes! the Golden Age

accenscion, what ever, was starting to happen and then I realised

that I was not really appreciating the moment and was wasting my

time.

>

> If it dosnt get any better than this thats ok.

>

> John Lennon said " Life is what happens when you are doing

somthing else."

>

> I do agree that something unusual is happening though.

>

> A lot of my friends are suffering cycles which include extreme

fatigue.

>

> One theory being that the DNA is being altered from 2 strand to

10/12

>

> or that light workers are going out in their sleep to lift the

vibration of Mother Earth and its residents, hence the tiredness.

Take your pick.

>

> As a therapist I feel that the healing process is now more

powerfull than ever and more rapid. I can also feel energy moving

around this form from time to time especially if I do Chi Gong.

> Dont know if this conversation fits the remit of the Sat- Sang

and if not I appologise.

>

> However virtually all religions forecast an event similar to

that outlined in Revelations in the Bible.

>

> Regards Chris

 

Namaste,

 

There will always be seekers and materialists. However earth changes

are periodic in fact constant. I find Edgar Cayce the most

interesting without an axe to grind, although as per normal with

seers his dates are not completely accurate. The test for earth

changes re Cayce will be his prophecy that Vesuvius will become

active, and then Pele on Martinique, three months later the West

Coast/California will inundated as far in as Utah. Vesusvius has

just become active again I believe.

Then what does the Hopi/Maya 23rd, December 2012 mean? Or is it just

a date. These things are interesting but to Whom are they a

concern?....ONS..Tony.

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to Whom are they a concern?....

ONS..

thanks Tony for this remark

of course only for the "Ego"

but stubborn silly foolish naive michael bindel is still wondering why

so few of us "humans" are so careless not to count two and two.....

we are really blessed today to see all the signs so clear

but why do they not want to look....

sorry for disturbing our Satsangh with such stupid ego bubbles

michael bindel tuscany

>"Tony OClery"

> >To:

> Re: On the

nature of bowing >Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:28:27 -0000 > >--- In

, "AnneChris"

>wrote: > > > > we do live in such an import phase of history the

end of a cycle >is near and can be felt and so few take this matter

up > > no discussion about this > > w h y ? > > being afraid of

facing it? > > > > awaiting your really esteemed answer > > > >

michael bindel in tuscany > > > > Dear Michael > > > > at

one point in time I was really looking forward to "The >Golden Age"

looking at earthquake/volcanic activity every day loking >for signs

of earth changes evidence that yes! the Golden Age >accenscion, what

ever, was starting to happen and then I realised >that I was not

really appreciating the moment and was wasting my >time. > > > > If

it dosnt get any better than this thats ok. > > > > John Lennon said

" Life is what happens when you are doing >somthing else." > > > > I

do agree that something unusual is happening though. > > > > A lot

of my friends are suffering cycles which include extreme >fatigue. >

> > > One theory being that the DNA is being altered from 2 strand

to >10/12 > > > > or that light workers are going out in their

sleep to lift the >vibration of Mother Earth and its residents, hence

the tiredness. >Take your pick. > > > > As a therapist I feel that

the healing process is now more >powerfull than ever and more rapid.

I can also feel energy moving >around this form from time to time

especially if I do Chi Gong. > > Dont know if this conversation

fits the remit of the Sat- Sang >and if not I appologise. > > > >

However virtually all religions forecast an event similar to >that

outlined in Revelations in the Bible. > > > > Regards Chris >

>Namaste, > >There will always be seekers and materialists. However

earth changes >are periodic in fact constant. I find Edgar Cayce the

most >interesting without an axe to grind, although as per normal

with >seers his dates are not completely accurate. The test for earth

>changes re Cayce will be his prophecy that Vesuvius will become

>active, and then Pele on Martinique, three months later the West

>Coast/California will inundated as far in as Utah. Vesusvius has

>just become active again I believe. >Then what does the Hopi/Maya

23rd, December 2012 mean? Or is it just >a date. These things are

interesting but to Whom are they a >concern?....ONS..Tony. > > > STOP

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