Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Namaste All, Re the author Tolle. As you can see he cannot be realised for he is still reasoning. This doesn't mean he cannot help people if they need it........ONS... Author Eckart Tolle Denounces Power of Now UPI Weisbaden, West Germany May 23 Yesterday evening, before a packed auditorium of people who had paid up to thirty marks to hear him speak about the "power of now," successful author Eckart Tolle stunned his listeners by denouncing the power of now. "I want to apologize to all of you, and all who have read my books or listened to my tapes. I now realize that I greatly exaggerated the power of now, and to be honest with you I have to admit that now really isn't that powerful after all. I have come to this conclusion reluctantly, after being confronted by numerous findings that indicate the weakness of now." Eckart went on to explain his shock when Paul Tillich, a forensic anthropologist at the University of Cologne offered him incontestable proof that almost the entirety of human history, and indeed the history of the universe, happened before the now. Tolle explained that, "When Tillich pointed out to me many of the great people—Einstein, Mozart, Newton,Voltaire among many, many others were born, lived their lives, and did their amazing accomplishments before the now I suddenly realized that by focusing on the now I was encouraging the loss of so much culture, human accomplishment and connecting our roots with ancestors. I knew I had to rethink my whole philosophy, and just as I was struggling to come to grips with the immense power of the past, I received a scientific paper in the mail which had been sent to me by physicist Roger Penrose. This paper on the nature of time reveals that almost everything that is going to happen to us will occur in the future and that the future is like a vast and unknown landscape that will shape our destinies. Penrose points out that Star Treks (the shows and all the movies) would be meaningless in the now because they all take place in the future. Once I began to grapple with the immense power and vastness of the past and future I began to realize that now, which I had been telling people was so powerful, was actually a thin slice of practically nothing, something that is over just a moment after it has begun. I can no longer hide from you the profound weakness of the now." A spokesperson for the author told reporters that Tolle is working on a new book tentatively entitled The Power of Past and Future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 --- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: > Namaste All, > > Re the author Tolle. As you can see he cannot be > realised for he is > still reasoning. This doesn't mean he cannot help > people if they > need it........ONS...> > > Author Eckart Tolle Denounces Power of Now > Dear Tony or anyONE, Can someone explain to me what is the "now" that Tolle is referring to in this document? I've never read Tolle's stuff and I don't know what he means by the term "now". Thanks, michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 - Michael Bowes Tuesday, February 03, 2004 4:58 PM Re: Eckart denounces the power of Now. --- Tony OClery <aoclery > wrote:> Namaste All,> > Re the author Tolle. As you can see he cannot be> realised for he is > still reasoning. This doesn't mean he cannot help> people if they > need it........ONS...Tony> > > Author Eckart Tolle Denounces Power of Now> Dear Tony or anyONE,Can someone explain to me what is the "now" that Tolleis referring to in this document? I've never readTolle's stuff and I don't know what he means by theterm "now".Thanks,michaelDear Michael I dont see how Eckhart denonces the power of now. Please also note that the event Tony posted up is dated May 23. His definition of Now is The field of consciousness where in form arises and subsides ie all phenomina. it is the eternal timeless now not the event.We are that field of conscious, life itself. All the wonderfull things happen in this moment they cant happen tomorrow. He fully accepts that there is clock time. Maharaj extolled using the intellect until realization occours. I dont think Eckhart is using reasoning as such cetainly he claims that the words that flow through him are coming from Presence. call That what you will. Ramana seemed a very reasonable concerned and thoughfull man and taught that the Sage still has the burned rope of an ego left. Heresponds to his name and has a very little identifgication with it, just enough to see him through the world I supose. Mamaste Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 > Dear Tony or anyONE, > > Can someone explain to me what is the "now" that Tolle > is referring to in this document? I've never read > Tolle's stuff and I don't know what he means by the > term "now". > > Thanks, > > michael devi: i think it might mean something like this.... when your eating your apple your not thinking of going to the movies the next day, your pay attention to the apple your eating right then and there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 - devianandi Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:54 PM Re: Eckart denounces the power of Now. > Dear Tony or anyONE,> > Can someone explain to me what is the "now" that Tolle> is referring to in this document? I've never read> Tolle's stuff and I don't know what he means by the> term "now".> > Thanks,> > michaeldevi: i think it might mean something like this....when your eating your apple your not thinking of going to the movies the next day, your pay attention to the apple your eating right then and there... what if you don't have an apple??? does it work with a peach??? : -) /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma To visit your group on the web, go to:/ To from this group, send an email to: Your use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Tony, If you go to this website, you will find more spoofs on Tolle. http://alignment2012.com/eckart.html Needless to say, Tolle is still teaching what he has for the past 20 years. Have a nice day. Branwell At 11:31 AM 2/3/2004, you wrote: >Namaste All, > >Re the author Tolle. As you can see he cannot be realised for he is >still reasoning. This doesn't mean he cannot help people if they >need it........ONS...> > >Author Eckart Tolle Denounces Power of Now > >UPI Weisbaden, West Germany May 23 Yesterday evening, before a >packed auditorium of people who had paid up to thirty marks to hear >him speak about the "power of now," successful author Eckart Tolle >stunned his listeners by denouncing the power of now. "I want to >apologize to all of you, and all who have read my books or listened >to my tapes. I now realize that I greatly exaggerated the power of >now, and to be honest with you I have to admit that now really isn't >that powerful after all. I have come to this conclusion reluctantly, >after being confronted by numerous findings that indicate the >weakness of now." Eckart went on to explain his shock when Paul >Tillich, a forensic anthropologist at the University of Cologne >offered him incontestable proof that almost the entirety of human >history, and indeed the history of the universe, happened before the >now. Tolle explained that, "When Tillich pointed out to me many of >the great people—Einstein, Mozart, Newton,Voltaire among many, many >others were born, lived their lives, and did their amazing >accomplishments before the now I suddenly realized that by focusing >on the now I was encouraging the loss of so much culture, human >accomplishment and connecting our roots with ancestors. I knew I had >to rethink my whole philosophy, and just as I was struggling to come >to grips with the immense power of the past, I received a scientific >paper in the mail which had been sent to me by physicist Roger >Penrose. This paper on the nature of time reveals that almost >everything that is going to happen to us will occur in the future >and that the future is like a vast and unknown landscape that will >shape our destinies. Penrose points out that Star Treks (the shows >and all the movies) would be meaningless in the now because they all >take place in the future. Once I began to grapple with the immense >power and vastness of the past and future I began to realize that >now, which I had been telling people was so powerful, was actually a >thin slice of practically nothing, something that is over just a >moment after it has begun. I can no longer hide from you the >profound weakness of the now." A spokesperson for the author told >reporters that Tolle is working on a new book tentatively entitled >The Power of Past and Future. > > > >/join > > > > > >"Love itself is the actual form of God." > >Sri Ramana > >In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > Links > > > / > > > > >Your > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 , "AnneChris" <am009a8716@b...> wrote: > > --- Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote: > > Namaste All, > > > > Re the author Tolle. As you can see he cannot be > > realised for he is > > still reasoning. This doesn't mean he cannot help > > people if they > > need it........ONS...> > > > > > Author Eckart Tolle Denounces Power of Now > > > Dear Tony or anyONE, > > Can someone explain to me what is the "now" that Tolle > is referring to in this document? I've never read > Tolle's stuff and I don't know what he means by the > term "now". > > Thanks, > > michael > > Dear Michael > I dont see how Eckhart denonces the power of now. > Please also note that the event Tony posted up is dated May 23. > His definition of Now is The field of consciousness where in form arises and subsides ie all phenomina. it is the eternal timeless now not the event.We are that field of conscious, life itself. All the wonderfull things happen in this moment they cant happen tomorrow. He fully accepts that there is clock time. > > Maharaj extolled using the intellect until realization occours. > > I dont think Eckhart is using reasoning as such cetainly he claims that the words that flow through him are coming from Presence. call That what you will. > Ramana seemed a very reasonable concerned and thoughfull man and taught that the Sage still has the burned rope of an ego left. Heresponds to his name and has a very little identifgication with it, just enough to see him through the world I supose. > > Mamaste Chris Namaste, They are Tolle's own words. You refer to the date, are you insinuating that he can change his mind? Truth doesn't change, Jivanmukta's don't change. I will credit him with being a successful author and a help to some people on the path but a Jivanmukta, obviously not, according to the example of others. Try climbing up burnt rope and see how useful it is. Ramana was talking about the body mind construct that is left after Realisation, the prarabda body. The Sage has no mind but the Sakti, and that's it. He responded to his name for the devotees sake. Pardon me to say to you Chris. Be careful where you tread in the garden, and don't fall into 'True Believer Syndrome', a step on the way isn't the destination. This forum is really based on Ramana and his teachings, that's where we try to stay..Ramana wasn't a regurgitator of some other guru as is Balsekar for example..No offence meant....ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 --- devianandi <devi wrote: > > > Dear Tony or anyONE, > > > > Can someone explain to me what is the "now" that > Tolle > > is referring to in this document? I've never read > > Tolle's stuff and I don't know what he means by > the > > term "now". > > > > Thanks, > > > > michael > > devi: i think it might mean something like this.... > > when your eating your apple your not thinking of > going to the movies > the next day, your pay attention to the apple your > eating right then > and there... > > michael: I see. Well according to what Tony posted Mr. Tolle seems to be renouncing the "now" in favor of the future and the past. Hmmmm! The longer I live, the less I understand. michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Dear Tony, What you sent was a joke, a spoof. Here is the author and the entire article. The internet, you gotta love it! http://alignment2012.com/eckart.html Love, Hilly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 , Michael Bowes <rmichaelbowes> wrote: > > --- devianandi <devi@p...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Tony or anyONE, > > > > > > Can someone explain to me what is the "now" that > > Tolle > > > is referring to in this document? I've never read > > > Tolle's stuff and I don't know what he means by > > the > > > term "now". > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > michael > > > > devi: i think it might mean something like this.... > > > > when your eating your apple your not thinking of > > going to the movies > > the next day, your pay attention to the apple your > > eating right then > > and there... > > > > > > michael: I see. Well according to what Tony posted > Mr. Tolle seems to be renouncing the "now" in favor of > the future and the past. Hmmmm! > > The longer I live, the less I understand. > > michael Namaste, Tolle also it seems.........ONS...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 --- Sam <S.Pasiencier wrote: > > - > devianandi > > Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:54 PM > Re: Eckart denounces the > power of Now. > > > > > Dear Tony or anyONE, > > > > Can someone explain to me what is the "now" that > Tolle > > is referring to in this document? I've never > read > > Tolle's stuff and I don't know what he means by > the > > term "now". > > > > Thanks, > > > > michael > > devi: i think it might mean something like > this.... > > when your eating your apple your not thinking of > going to the movies > the next day, your pay attention to the apple your > eating right then > and there... > > what if you don't have an apple??? does it work > with a peach??? : -) > Peaches aren't in season here right now. :-) michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 , Hilary <hilly@d...> wrote: > Dear Tony, > > What you sent was a joke, a spoof. > Here is the author and the entire article. > The internet, you gotta love it! > http://alignment2012.com/eckart.html > > Love, > Hilly Namaste Hilly, Yes it appears it was, and a good one. I apologise for not researching the origin more. However here is an extract from an interview in Van by a certain Bertram. How are things for you these days? Are you very busy? How are you handling all the attention that's coming your way? "Well, the book came out two and a half years ago now and certainly my external life has changed dramatically with a lot of travelling and talking. I used to live a very sheltered life and now it seems to be the opposite of that. I'm out there in the world all the time. I'm actually quite enjoying it, but I am perhaps at heart a hermit so I love to take time off where I don't travel or see people and I'm just alone in stillness. I'm amazed how many people responded to the book. I never expected that many people to respond to it. I knew the book would be around for a long time. I thought it might grow very slowly but it's growing very quickly now." Again I will say, his books may help people but even out of his own words he doesn't seem to be a Jivanmukta or Realised, which was the subject of this thread. He says he is enjoying activity, he says he is surprised by things etc. Who is enjoying Who is surprised? Only an Ego. I could go on forever, why I base my opinion that he isn't a Mukta but an author......ONS..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Hee hee - Hilary Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:47 PM Re: Re: Eckart denounces the power of Now. Dear Tony,What you sent was a joke, a spoof. Here is the author and the entire article.The internet, you gotta love it! http://alignment2012.com/eckart.htmlLove,Hilly/join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma To visit your group on the web, go to:/ To from this group, send an email to: Your use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 - Michael Bowes Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:59 PM Re: Re: Eckart denounces the power of Now. --- Sam <S.Pasiencier (AT) planet (DOT) nl> wrote:> > ----- Original Message ----- > devianandi > > Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:54 PM> Re: Eckart denounces the> power of Now.> > > > > Dear Tony or anyONE,> > > > Can someone explain to me what is the "now" that> Tolle> > is referring to in this document? I've never> read> > Tolle's stuff and I don't know what he means by> the> > term "now".> > > > Thanks,> > > > michael> > devi: i think it might mean something like> this....> > when your eating your apple your not thinking of> going to the movies > the next day, your pay attention to the apple your> eating right then > and there...> > what if you don't have an apple??? does it work> with a peach??? : -)> Peaches aren't in season here right now. :-)michael yeah,, but it could work with canned peaches.. couldn't it??? /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma To visit your group on the web, go to:/ To from this group, send an email to: Your use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 - Tony OClery Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:09 PM Re: Eckart denounces the power of Now. , Hilary <hilly@d...> wrote:> Dear Tony,> > What you sent was a joke, a spoof. > Here is the author and the entire article.> The internet, you gotta love it! > http://alignment2012.com/eckart.html> > Love,> HillyNamaste Hilly,Yes it appears it was, and a good one. I apologise for not researching the origin more. However here is an extract from an interview in Van by a certain Bertram.How are things for you these days? Are you very busy? How are you handling all the attention that's coming your way? "Well, the book came out two and a half years ago now and certainly my external life has changed dramatically with a lot of travelling and talking. I used to live a very sheltered life and now it seems to be the opposite of that. I'm out there in the world all the time. I'm actually quite enjoying it, but I am perhaps at heart a hermit so I love to take time off where I don't travel or see people and I'm just alone in stillness. I'm amazed how many people responded to the book. I never expected that many people to respond to it. I knew the book would be around for a long time. I thought it might grow very slowly but it's growing very quickly now." Again I will say, his books may help people but even out of his own words he doesn't seem to be a Jivanmukta or Realised, which was the subject of this thread.He says he is enjoying activity, he says he is surprised by things etc. Who is enjoying Who is surprised? Only an Ego. I could go on forever, why I base my opinion that he isn't a Mukta but an author......ONS.. Quibbling with words... no, not only an ego.. it is just a convenient way to speak.. and you are going on forever.. ever wonder why? Sam /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma To visit your group on the web, go to:/ To from this group, send an email to: Your use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 , Hilary <hilly@d...> wrote:>> Dear Tony,>> >> What you sent was a joke, a spoof. >> Here is the author and the entire article.>> The internet, you gotta love it! >> http://alignment2012.com/eckart.html>> >> Love,>> Hilly>Namaste Hilly,>Yes it appears it was, and a good one. I apologise for not >researching the origin more. However here is an extract from an >interview in Van by a certain Bertram. Tony, first I thought you had written it yourself , but then I got caught by the references to scientific stuff. I do not know the power of Now, but when I hear a title like that I feel like saying; What about the power of figuring this out by yourself. But of course that could be what the book is all about : ) Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 , Sam <S.Pasiencier@p...> wrote: > > - > Michael Bowes > > Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:59 PM > Re: Re: Eckart denounces the power of Now. > > > > --- Sam <S.Pasiencier@p...> wrote: > > > > - > > devianandi > > > > Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:54 PM > > Re: Eckart denounces the > > power of Now. > > > > > > > > > Dear Tony or anyONE, > > > > > > Can someone explain to me what is the "now" that > > Tolle > > > is referring to in this document? I've never > > read > > > Tolle's stuff and I don't know what he means by > > the > > > term "now". > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > michael > > > > devi: i think it might mean something like > > this.... > > > > when your eating your apple your not thinking of > > going to the movies > > the next day, your pay attention to the apple your > > eating right then > > and there... > > > > what if you don't have an apple??? does it work > > with a peach??? : -) > > > > > Peaches aren't in season here right now. :-) > michael > > yeah,, but it could work with canned peaches.. couldn't it??? Namaste, But strawberries could also be canned and that it a book, but the canned strawberries are not any better than when they went in the can. In some circumstances it is like feeding strawberries to pigs..........ONS..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Tony said Pardon me to say to you Chris. Be careful where you tread in the garden, and don't fall into 'True Believer Syndrome', a step on the way isn't the destination. This forum is really based on Ramana and his teachings, that's where we try to stay..Ramana wasn't a regurgitator of some other guru as is Balsekar for example..No offence meant....ONS..Tony. Chris sayingNamaste I appreciate your genuine concern and no offence is ever taken. I know that the early report on Eckhart was a spoof and these things are taken in good faith. As I have said in prior postings I dont follow any one, just that Eckhart has been the most helpfull in bringing peace into my life. May I respectfully point out that the remit of satsang as posted recently embraces all teachings and beliefs. Thats where we try to stay------Who said? I do agree with you from my own experience that being a devotee is not where it is at. I believe its about "Who am I" not about any external teacher, a true Guru know who he is. I have it in theory and intilectually. I dont feel the need to read another book listen to another cd watch a video. I am however booked to see Eckhart in Denmark as much to see an old Danish Friend Uffe Neumann ( not a folower of anyone)who after many visits to see S.B. came to the same conclusions that you have. My thoughts are more kindly, even the suspect Gurus/Avatars have their place in the play, it cant be otherwise. Ramana I believe, if I have not missunderstood taught that there is no free will and this is what I now believe. Its all the will of God and destiny. I can do no wrong or right neither can anyone else as they are not the doer either. With much respect for you and your point of view Tony. The world is a better place for your presence. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 , "AnneChris" <am009a8716@b...> wrote: > Tony said > Pardon me to say to you Chris. > Be careful where you tread in the garden, and don't fall into 'True Believer Syndrome', > Ramana I believe, if I have not missunderstood taught that there is no free will and this is what I now believe. > Its all the will of God and destiny. > I can do no wrong or right neither can anyone else as they are not the doer either. Namaste Chris, IMO, Yes Ramana taught that everything is predetermined by our prarabda karma. Not a God per se but karmic reaction, is how I see that. Our freewill is the freedom to react to circumstances in different and learning ways or not, and even that is karmic.........ONS..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > Namaste All, > > Re the author Tolle. As you can see he cannot be realised for he is > still reasoning. This doesn't mean he cannot help people if they > need it........ONS...> > > Author Eckart Tolle Denounces Power of Now > > UPI Weisbaden, West Germany May 23 Yesterday evening, before a > packed auditorium of people who had paid up to thirty marks to hear > him speak about the "power of now," successful author Eckart Tolle > stunned his listeners by denouncing the power of now. "I want to > apologize to all of you, and all who have read my books or listened > to my tapes. I now realize that I greatly exaggerated the power of > now, and to be honest with you I have to admit that now really isn't > that powerful after all. I have come to this conclusion reluctantly, > after being confronted by numerous findings that indicate the > weakness of now." Eckart went on to explain his shock when Paul > Tillich, a forensic anthropologist at the University of Cologne > offered him incontestable proof that almost the entirety of human > history, and indeed the history of the universe, happened before the > now. Tolle explained that, "When Tillich pointed out to me many of > the great people—Einstein, Mozart, Newton,Voltaire among many, many > others were born, lived their lives, and did their amazing > accomplishments before the now I suddenly realized that by focusing > on the now I was encouraging the loss of so much culture, human > accomplishment and connecting our roots with ancestors. I knew I had > to rethink my whole philosophy, and just as I was struggling to come > to grips with the immense power of the past, I received a scientific > paper in the mail which had been sent to me by physicist Roger > Penrose. This paper on the nature of time reveals that almost > everything that is going to happen to us will occur in the future > and that the future is like a vast and unknown landscape that will > shape our destinies. Penrose points out that Star Treks (the shows > and all the movies) would be meaningless in the now because they all > take place in the future. Once I began to grapple with the immense > power and vastness of the past and future I began to realize that > now, which I had been telling people was so powerful, was actually a > thin slice of practically nothing, something that is over just a > moment after it has begun. I can no longer hide from you the > profound weakness of the now." A spokesperson for the author told > reporters that Tolle is working on a new book tentatively entitled > The Power of Past and Future. LOL...Knowing Tolle's sense of humor...I bet the book will be a RIOT. LOL, jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 > Ramana I believe, if I have not missunderstood taught that there is no free will and this is what I now believe. > Its all the will of God and destiny. > I can do no wrong or right neither can anyone else as they are not the doer either. Dear unknown friends this conclusion has to arrive not intellectually but thru our inner heart and this only after having LIVED and EGO life and accepted without resignation that that is not the way to be really content and happy only then - at least in my humble opinion and in my experience but this 100percen - its my inner truth and n o t a trap. Otherwise its really easy to do so many "bad things" and believe "we" are not the doer only by really giving up the Ego without expecting anything at all as a socalled reward it is a honest decision all the best to you all may inner peace bless you michael bindel > > With much respect for you and your point of view Tony. > The world is a better place for your presence. > Chris > > Help STOP spam with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 --- jim rich <jimnirene wrote: > , "Tony OClery" > <aoclery> > wrote: > > Namaste All, > > > > Re the author Tolle. As you can see he cannot be > realised for he is > > still reasoning. This doesn't mean he cannot help > people if they > > need it........ONS...> > > > > > Author Eckart Tolle Denounces Power of Now > > > > UPI Weisbaden, West Germany May 23 Yesterday > evening, before a > > packed auditorium of people who had paid up to > thirty marks to hear > > him speak about the "power of now," successful > author Eckart Tolle > > stunned his listeners by denouncing the power of > now. SNIP > LOL...Knowing Tolle's sense of humor...I bet the > book will be a RIOT. > > LOL, > > jim > You're right Jim. It's already a huge joke. :-) michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Dear WW thank you so much for wiriting your PERSONAL EXPERIENCES great what I did "engrand" is what I felt a long time ago too and it was the beginning of the journey back home......LOL really home is the place of peace real one of course glad to have read your story very glad inded michael bindel tuscany >"Warwick Wakefield" > > >Re: Eckart denounces the power of Now. >Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:09:22 +1100 > >Hullo Tony, > >can you give me a more specific reference/source for this news item. > >UPI Weisbaden, West Germany May 23 Yesterday evening, before a >packed auditorium Eckart Tolle stunned his listeners by denouncing the power of now. > >I have never been hugely impressed by Eckhardt Tolle's work but this sounds like an April Fool's joke. > >Incidentally, I don't think that now is located in time at all. >If it were in time it would be the zero length interval between the past and the future. >Not even a nano-second. > >Any doing, any activity of the body mind, requires the passage of time. >So I don't think that now belongs to any doing, enjoying, or any activity at all. >I think that now is the realm of consciousness-as-such. > >I first stumbled on it this way: >I had met a guy who told me that where he was there was no "self". >That seemed very odd to me, so I sat down and considered the matter from my viewpoint. >It seemed pretty certain that Warwick does have what you would quite reasonably call a "self". >I typed out a long list of the attributes of this self, (the usual sort of thing - fond of women and food, acquires various skills over time, like language and horse-riding, loses his temper occasionally, that sort of thing) and I showed them to him when I saw him next. He didn't really have anything to say. > >Then a few years later I attended a retreat in France with Francis Lucille and I first got acquainted with the idea that consciousness doesn't change. >I didn't understand it then, but it fell into place a few weeks later. > >I was at satsang with another teacher in London. >I had experienced, in the tube while I was on my way to the satsang, a totally out-of-the-blue understanding that a lot of my activities that I had considered to be "spiritual enquiry" were, in fact, role-playing in the world. > >At the Satsang I asked the teacher about it. >It was a heated discussion that wasn't really getting anywhere until the teacher asked me, "Warwick, who do you think you really are?" >Well, I had explored that territory, so I said, "Well, I can tell you who I think I am" and I began to list all the attributes that I had drawn up previously. > >The teacher interrupted me and said, "Ask yourself, 'Am I all those things - or am I that which sees all those things?" > >It all, suddenly, fell into place. What I really am is no sort of doing. What I really am is present when all doing happens, but what I really am is not the doer. What I think I am is subject to, and participates in, all manner of change - what I really am is changeless. What I really am is simple consciousness, formless consciousness, without any of the characteristics and attributes that the imagined I claims and disclaims. What I really am is the first person, the subject, that which sees. But what I really am cannot be seen as an object, for it is what does the seeing. >But it can, in a mysterious way, see itself, as happened then, when the realm of time, in which objects perform doings, collapsed into the realm of eternity, which is sometimes called now, and is also called consciousness. I am inclined to see "eternity", and "consciousness", and "now", as different terms for the one understanding. > >I certainly am not making any claims to self-realization as a result of this. >Much work had to be done, and very much work has still to be done. >Ramana, it seems, had an instantaneous awakening. >Maybe his was a tender young ego, while mine is old and leathery. > >Sorry, got a bit carried away. > >Much love > >WW MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 SNIP >"Warwick Wakefield" > >To: >Re: Eckart denounces the power of Now. >Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:09:22 +1100 > >Hullo Tony, SNIP >The teacher interrupted me and said, "Ask yourself, 'Am I all those things - or am I that which sees all those things?" michael: BOTH, ALL regards, michael SNIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 devi: i think it might mean something like this.... > > when your eating your apple your not thinking of going to the movies > the next day, your pay attention to the apple your eating right then > and there... > > what if you don't have an apple??? does it work with a peach??? : -) devi: no, it only works with apples...my guru never said anything about peaches.... heres somelse else my guru said about apples.. "The average person holds an apple in his hand as well in his mind, but an enlightened person holds it only in his hand." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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