Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Namaste, "AC: When you're alone, do you spend a lot of time physically being still? ET: Yes, I can sometimes sit for two hours in a room with almost no thought. Just complete stillness. Sometimes when I go for walks, there's also complete stillness; there's no mental labeling of sense perceptions. There's simply a sense of awe or wonder or openness, and that's beautiful." If you examine this and many other sayings from Tolle you will see that he obviously has a mind. For he doesn't say the no thought state but almost no thought. So I'll go back to my orignal post on Tolle where I said he lived locally, and might have had some kind of samadhi but wasn't a Jivanmukta. It is my belief that only a Mukta can be a true guru Sadguru. This doesn't take away the sticks that Tolle throws out, but lets not attribut things to people they may not claim for themselves. We have to keep our own critical faculties to purify the Buddhi and avoid dangerous surrenders and paths....ONS..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 - Tony OClery Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:21 PM Almost no thought...Tolle and Cohen Namaste,"AC: When you're alone, do you spend a lot of time physically being still?ET: Yes, I can sometimes sit for two hours in a room with almost no thought. Just complete stillness. Sometimes when I go for walks, there's also complete stillness; there's no mental labeling of sense perceptions. There's simply a sense of awe or wonder or openness, and that's beautiful."If you examine this and many other sayings from Tolle you will see that he obviously has a mind. For he doesn't say the no thought state but almost no thought. So I'll go back to my orignal post on Tolle where I said he lived locally, and might have had some kind of samadhi but wasn't a Jivanmukta. It is my belief that only a Mukta can be a true guru Sadguru. This doesn't take away the sticks that Tolle throws out, but lets not attribut things to people they may not claim for themselves. We have to keep our own critical faculties to purify the Buddhi and avoid dangerous surrenders and paths....ONS.. Did you ever consider the possibility that you have already surrendered to a dangerous entity, your own 'critical faculty' i e. your mind... ? The hat maker sees hats.. the shoemaker sees shoes.. the lover sees love... Sam /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma To visit your group on the web, go to:/ To from this group, send an email to: Your use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 , Sam <S.Pasiencier@p...> wrote: > > - > Tony OClery > > Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:21 PM > Almost no thought...Tolle and Cohen > > > > Namaste, > > "AC: When you're alone, do you spend a lot of time physically being > still? > > ET: Yes, I can sometimes sit for two hours in a room with almost no > thought. Just complete stillness. Sometimes when I go for walks, > there's also complete stillness; there's no mental labeling of sense > perceptions. There's simply a sense of awe or wonder or openness, > and that's beautiful." > > If you examine this and many other sayings from Tolle you will see > that he obviously has a mind. For he doesn't say the no thought > state but almost no thought. So I'll go back to my orignal post on > Tolle where I said he lived locally, and might have had some kind of > samadhi but wasn't a Jivanmukta. It is my belief that only a Mukta > can be a true guru Sadguru. This doesn't take away the sticks that > Tolle throws out, but lets not attribut things to people they may > not claim for themselves. We have to keep our own critical faculties > to purify the Buddhi and avoid dangerous surrenders and > paths....ONS..> > Did you ever consider the possibility that you have already surrendered to a dangerous entity, your own 'critical faculty' i e. your mind... ? > > The hat maker sees hats.. the shoemaker sees shoes.. > > the lover sees love... > > > Sam Namaste Sam, One uses a thorn to remove a thorn, it has nothing to do with surrendering critical faculties. It is about purifying that section of mind called the intellect, so we may better understand Who am I? etc. It is all part of neti neti and Self Enquiry.........ONS..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 - Tony OClery Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:26 PM Re: Almost no thought...Tolle and Cohen , Sam <S.Pasiencier@p...> wrote:> > - > Tony OClery > To: > Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:21 PM> Almost no thought...Tolle and Cohen> > > > Namaste,> > "AC: When you're alone, do you spend a lot of time physically being > still?> > ET: Yes, I can sometimes sit for two hours in a room with almost no > thought. Just complete stillness. Sometimes when I go for walks, > there's also complete stillness; there's no mental labeling of sense > perceptions. There's simply a sense of awe or wonder or openness, > and that's beautiful."> > If you examine this and many other sayings from Tolle you will see > that he obviously has a mind. For he doesn't say the no thought > state but almost no thought. So I'll go back to my orignal post on > Tolle where I said he lived locally, and might have had some kind of > samadhi but wasn't a Jivanmukta. It is my belief that only a Mukta > can be a true guru Sadguru. This doesn't take away the sticks that > Tolle throws out, but lets not attribut things to people they may > not claim for themselves. We have to keep our own critical faculties > to purify the Buddhi and avoid dangerous surrenders and > paths....ONS..Tony> > Did you ever consider the possibility that you have already surrendered to a dangerous entity, your own 'critical faculty' i e. your mind... ?> > The hat maker sees hats.. the shoemaker sees shoes.. > > the lover sees love...> > > SamNamaste Sam,One uses a thorn to remove a thorn, it has nothing to do with surrendering critical faculties. It is about purifying that section of mind called the intellect, so we may better understand Who am I? etc. It is all part of neti neti and Self Enquiry.........ONS.. I don't see any Neti neti in your assertions about masters.. Are you purifying the intellect really? Who is warning others about dangerous surrender...?? /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma To visit your group on the web, go to:/ To from this group, send an email to: Your use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > , Sam <S.Pasiencier@p...> wrote: > > > > - > > Tony OClery > > > > Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:21 PM > > Almost no thought...Tolle and Cohen > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > "AC: When you're alone, do you spend a lot of time physically > being > > still? > > > > ET: Yes, I can sometimes sit for two hours in a room with almost > no > > thought. Just complete stillness. Sometimes when I go for walks, > > there's also complete stillness; there's no mental labeling of > sense > > perceptions. There's simply a sense of awe or wonder or > openness, > > and that's beautiful." > > > > If you examine this and many other sayings from Tolle you will > see > > that he obviously has a mind. For he doesn't say the no thought > > state but almost no thought. So I'll go back to my orignal post > on > > Tolle where I said he lived locally, and might have had some > kind of > > samadhi but wasn't a Jivanmukta. It is my belief that only a > Mukta > > can be a true guru Sadguru. This doesn't take away the sticks > that > > Tolle throws out, but lets not attribut things to people they > may > > not claim for themselves. We have to keep our own critical > faculties > > to purify the Buddhi and avoid dangerous surrenders and > > paths....ONS..> > > > Did you ever consider the possibility that you have already > surrendered to a dangerous entity, your own 'critical faculty' i e. > your mind... ? > > > > The hat maker sees hats.. the shoemaker sees shoes.. > > > > the lover sees love... > > > > > > Sam > > Namaste Sam, > > One uses a thorn to remove a thorn, it has nothing to do with > surrendering critical faculties. It is about purifying that section > of mind called the intellect, so we may better understand Who am I? > etc. It is all part of neti neti and Self Enquiry.........ONS..Tony devi: i've learned from meher baba that actually the mind is divided into two parts, thoughts and feelings....i imagine that the intellect is just a small part of the mind that needs to be purified... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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