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Namaste All,

 

Ramana says a Guru should be one who brings peace.

 

What is a Sadguru? Steady abidance in the Self, looking at all with

an equal eye unshakable courage at all times, in all places and

circumstances.

He who instructs a seeker to do this or that is not a true master.

The seeker is already afflicted with activity wants peace and rest.

In other words he wants cessation of his activities.

 

Activity is creation. Activity is the destruction of one's inherent

happiness.

 

If activity is advocated the adviser is not a master but a

killer.p97 "Be as you are".

 

So a true Sadguru is a Mukta. A silent Sage. People say a Guru

should write books and travel around creating activity giving

lectures and speechifying and such. These are the signs of an

unrealised person. Rajasic activity.

 

A Mukta in the Himalayan Cave can do more for humanity by never

writing a book, giving a speech or even leaving his cave!!!!!!!!!!!

 

There were great Gurus in the past, who did wander around, whether

they were Muktas or Bhodisattvas I don't know. Bhodisattvas or

Karana Janmas needed not take birth, for the could stay in

Brahmaloka until pralaya, actually mahapralaya. My guess is avatars

and people like Jesus are in this category. They do however have the

ability to put down mental patterns at the higher common human mind

level.

The phenonoma of bookwriting gurus is much a modern thing. Our

society is replete with them at every level, from preachers, Robbins types, Tolle types etc etc...

Be still and know that I Am God...........ONS...Tony

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Tony OClery

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:47 PM

Sadguru -Guru- or just guru?

Namaste All,Ramana says a Guru should be one who brings peace. What is

a Sadguru? Steady abidance in the Self, looking at all with an equal

eye unshakable courage at all times, in all places and

circumstances.He who instructs a seeker to do this or that is not a

true master. The seeker is already afflicted with activity wants

peace and rest. In other words he wants cessation of his

activities.Activity is creation. Activity is the destruction of one's

inherent happiness. If activity is advocated the adviser is not a

master but a killer.p97 "Be as you are".So a true Sadguru is a Mukta.

A silent Sage. People say a Guru should write books and travel around

creating activity giving lectures and speechifying and such. These

are the signs of an unrealised person. Rajasic activity.A Mukta in

the Himalayan Cave can do more for humanity by never writing a book,

giving a speech or even leaving his cave!!!!!!!!!!!There were great

Gurus in the past, who did wander around, whether they were Muktas or

Bhodisattvas I don't know. Bhodisattvas or Karana Janmas needed not

take birth, for the could stay in Brahmaloka until pralaya, actually

mahapralaya. My guess is avatars and people like Jesus are in this

category. They do however have the ability to put down mental

patterns at the higher common human mind level.The phenonoma of

bookwriting gurus is much a modern thing. Our society is replete with

them at every level, from preachers, Tony Robbins types, Tolle types

etc etc...Be still and know that I Am God...........ONS...TonyYes. Be

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, "devianandi" <devi@p...>

wrote:

> , "Tony OClery"

<aoclery>

> wrote:

> > Namaste All,

> >

> > Ramana says a Guru should be one who brings peace.

> >

> > What is a Sadguru? Steady abidance in the Self, looking at all

with

> > an equal eye unshakable courage at all times, in all places and

> > circumstances.

> > He who instructs a seeker to do this or that is not a true

master.

> > The seeker is already afflicted with activity wants peace and

rest.

> > In other words he wants cessation of his activities.

> >

> > Activity is creation. Activity is the destruction of one's

inherent

> > happiness.

> >

> > If activity is advocated the adviser is not a master but a

> > killer.p97 "Be as you are".

> >

> > So a true Sadguru is a Mukta. A silent Sage. People say a Guru

> > should write books and travel around creating activity giving

> > lectures and speechifying and such. These are the signs of an

> > unrealised person. Rajasic activity.

> >

> > A Mukta in the Himalayan Cave can do more for humanity by never

> > writing a book, giving a speech or even leaving his

cave!!!!!!!!!!!

> >

> > There were great Gurus in the past, who did wander around,

whether

> > they were Muktas or Bhodisattvas I don't know. Bhodisattvas or

> > Karana Janmas needed not take birth, for the could stay in

> > Brahmaloka until pralaya, actually mahapralaya. My guess is

avatars

> > and people like Jesus are in this category. They do however have

> the

> > ability to put down mental patterns at the higher common human

mind

> > level.

> > The phenonoma of bookwriting gurus is much a modern thing. Our

> > society is replete with them at every level, from preachers,

Tony

> > Robbins types, Tolle types etc etc...

> > Be still and know that I Am God...........ONS...Tony

>

> devi: tony, your going to be a jivan mukta when you die..what do

you

> think?

 

Namaste Devi,

 

I try not to think too much on that. A jivanmukta is someone who is

liberated whilst still living. I would be happy enough if I were

shown a tree and all its leaves were my future lives, for than I

would see the end to this delusion....I/we have live millions of

trees already.....ONS...Tony

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, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

wrote:

> , "devianandi" <devi@p...>

> wrote:

> > , "Tony OClery"

> <aoclery>

> > wrote:

> > > Namaste All,

> > >

> > > Ramana says a Guru should be one who brings peace.

> > >

> > > What is a Sadguru? Steady abidance in the Self, looking at all

> with

> > > an equal eye unshakable courage at all times, in all places and

> > > circumstances.

> > > He who instructs a seeker to do this or that is not a true

> master.

> > > The seeker is already afflicted with activity wants peace and

> rest.

> > > In other words he wants cessation of his activities.

> > >

> > > Activity is creation. Activity is the destruction of one's

> inherent

> > > happiness.

> > >

> > > If activity is advocated the adviser is not a master but a

> > > killer.p97 "Be as you are".

> > >

> > > So a true Sadguru is a Mukta. A silent Sage. People say a Guru

> > > should write books and travel around creating activity giving

> > > lectures and speechifying and such. These are the signs of an

> > > unrealised person. Rajasic activity.

> > >

> > > A Mukta in the Himalayan Cave can do more for humanity by never

> > > writing a book, giving a speech or even leaving his

> cave!!!!!!!!!!!

> > >

> > > There were great Gurus in the past, who did wander around,

> whether

> > > they were Muktas or Bhodisattvas I don't know. Bhodisattvas or

> > > Karana Janmas needed not take birth, for the could stay in

> > > Brahmaloka until pralaya, actually mahapralaya. My guess is

> avatars

> > > and people like Jesus are in this category. They do however

have

> > the

> > > ability to put down mental patterns at the higher common human

> mind

> > > level.

> > > The phenonoma of bookwriting gurus is much a modern thing. Our

> > > society is replete with them at every level, from preachers,

> Tony

> > > Robbins types, Tolle types etc etc...

> > > Be still and know that I Am God...........ONS...Tony

> >

> > devi: tony, your going to be a jivan mukta when you die..what do

> you

> > think?

>

> Namaste Devi,

>

> I try not to think too much on that. A jivanmukta is someone who is

> liberated whilst still living. I would be happy enough if I were

> shown a tree and all its leaves were my future lives, for than I

> would see the end to this delusion....I/we have live millions of

> trees already.....ONS...Tony

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, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

wrote:

> , "devianandi" <devi@p...>

> wrote:

> > , "Tony OClery"

> <aoclery>

> > wrote:

> > > Namaste All,

> > >

> > > Ramana says a Guru should be one who brings peace.

> > >

> > > What is a Sadguru? Steady abidance in the Self, looking at all

> with

> > > an equal eye unshakable courage at all times, in all places and

> > > circumstances.

> > > He who instructs a seeker to do this or that is not a true

> master.

> > > The seeker is already afflicted with activity wants peace and

> rest.

> > > In other words he wants cessation of his activities.

> > >

> > > Activity is creation. Activity is the destruction of one's

> inherent

> > > happiness.

> > >

> > > If activity is advocated the adviser is not a master but a

> > > killer.p97 "Be as you are".

> > >

> > > So a true Sadguru is a Mukta. A silent Sage. People say a Guru

> > > should write books and travel around creating activity giving

> > > lectures and speechifying and such. These are the signs of an

> > > unrealised person. Rajasic activity.

> > >

> > > A Mukta in the Himalayan Cave can do more for humanity by never

> > > writing a book, giving a speech or even leaving his

> cave!!!!!!!!!!!

> > >

> > > There were great Gurus in the past, who did wander around,

> whether

> > > they were Muktas or Bhodisattvas I don't know. Bhodisattvas or

> > > Karana Janmas needed not take birth, for the could stay in

> > > Brahmaloka until pralaya, actually mahapralaya. My guess is

> avatars

> > > and people like Jesus are in this category. They do however

have

> > the

> > > ability to put down mental patterns at the higher common human

> mind

> > > level.

> > > The phenonoma of bookwriting gurus is much a modern thing. Our

> > > society is replete with them at every level, from preachers,

> Tony

> > > Robbins types, Tolle types etc etc...

> > > Be still and know that I Am God...........ONS...Tony

> >

> > devi: tony, your going to be a jivan mukta when you die..what do

> you

> > think?

>

> Namaste Devi,

>

> I try not to think too much on that. A jivanmukta is someone who is

> liberated whilst still living. I would be happy enough if I were

> shown a tree and all its leaves were my future lives, for than I

> would see the end to this delusion....I/we have live millions of

> trees already.....ONS...Tony

 

devi: i'm sure that if Shiva were around he would say, thats the

right attitude and would liberate you right now, but i don't see him

around here anywhere..maybe we should invoke him?

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Dear Ben

thank you

I AM WHO I AM

said GD to Moses

and Ramana Maharshi stated

I AM WHO I AM as stated in the Jewish Bible is the TRUTH AND THE

WISDOM of all Hindu Wisdom

be quit but real

ie stillness no thoughts

michael bindel tuscany

>"Ben Hassine"

> >

>Re: Sadguru -Guru- or just guru? >Date:

Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:57:51 +0100 > > > - >

Tony OClery > > Sent:

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:47 PM >

Sadguru -Guru- or just guru? > > > Namaste All, > > Ramana says a

Guru should be one who brings peace. > > What is a Sadguru? Steady

abidance in the Self, looking at all with > an equal eye unshakable

courage at all times, in all places and > circumstances. > He who

instructs a seeker to do this or that is not a true master. > The

seeker is already afflicted with activity wants peace and rest. >

In other words he wants cessation of his activities. > > Activity

is creation. Activity is the destruction of one's inherent >

happiness. > > If activity is advocated the adviser is not a master

but a > killer.p97 "Be as you are". > > So a true Sadguru is a

Mukta. A silent Sage. People say a Guru > should write books and

travel around creating activity giving > lectures and speechifying

and such. These are the signs of an > unrealised person. Rajasic

activity. > > A Mukta in the Himalayan Cave can do more for

humanity by never > writing a book, giving a speech or even leaving

his cave!!!!!!!!!!! > > There were great Gurus in the past, who did

wander around, whether > they were Muktas or Bhodisattvas I don't

know. Bhodisattvas or > Karana Janmas needed not take birth, for

the could stay in > Brahmaloka until pralaya, actually mahapralaya.

My guess is avatars > and people like Jesus are in this category.

They do however have the > ability to put down mental patterns at

the higher common human mind > level. > The phenonoma of

bookwriting gurus is much a modern thing. Our > society is replete

with them at every level, from preachers, Tony > Robbins types,

Tolle types etc etc... > Be still and know that I Am

God...........ONS...Tony > > > > Yes. Be still :-) > >

>

> Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go

to: > / > > b.. To

from this group, send an email to: >

> > c.. Your use of

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, "MICHAEL BINDEL"

<michael_bindel@h...> wrote:

>

 

Namaste Michael, I am who I am, I etc

 

You said Jewish Bible, when in fact it was reported in the

Israelite/Hebrew Bible. Jewish refers to the 'tribe' of Judah and

perhaps Benjamin. Is-Ra-El also has Egyptian and even pre Egyptian

connotations, going back many thousands and thousands of years. It

is usually translated as 'Seekers', in the ancient traditions.

 

Another possibility is Isis=female, Ra=Sungod male, El= The

combination. El is the same as Allah, cognitive that is....ONS..Tony.

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