Pollyanna... was Unless challenged you don't know.

[Guest guest]

M

ichael asked: What is Pollyanna?

 

 

Hi Michael...

 

One of my favorite all-time movies is "Pollyanna". Starring Haley

Mills, and it was made in the 60's.

 

It's a perfect example of a Pollyanna. This adorable girl's

(approximately 10-12 years old) parents die, and she goes to live

with her Aunt in another town.

 

Now Polly sees the good in everyone and everything. Unfortunately,

her Aunt, the adult friends she makes, the neighbors, (the town) are

all unhappy. They are busy with their own lives; they gripe; they

complain. So seeing her goodness and happiness spreading throughout

the town, makes them terribly uneasy. She speaks the truth, yet it

iritates everyone. She might innocently ask you "Why are you so

mean?"

 

But little by little, as time goes by, something amazing happens.

The town and all its inhabitants begin to change. They begin to

listen. They open their hearts up, and allow their self to be

happy. They start caring about others, instead of being self-

involved. They begin opening to love.

 

The opening of their hearts was first really noticed by them when

Pollyanna fell from a tree and was seriously hurt. Despite thinking

she was just annoying, they began missing her goodness and the light

she was spreading to each and every person in some little way.

 

The town gathered together towards the end to wish her well. Instead

of sad frowning faces, she now saw caring, loving people with big

smiles. She didn't even know she was the cause of all this change!

But everyone else knew. She just loved everyone. She was herself

always. And it was her nature that was pure goodness and innocence.

 

*****

 

So if anyone ever calls you a Pollyana, thank them!

 

Love,

xxxtg

[Guest guest]

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 9:59 AM

Pollyanna... was Unless challenged you don't know.

Michael asked: What is Pollyanna?

Tee gee wrote...and it is well worth reposting...

====================================================Hi Michael...One

of my favorite all-time movies is "Pollyanna". Starring Haley Mills,

and it was made in the 60's. It's a perfect example of a Pollyanna.

This adorable girl's (approximately 10-12 years old) parents die, and

she goes to live with her Aunt in another town.Now Polly sees the good

in everyone and everything. Unfortunately, her Aunt, the adult

friends she makes, the neighbors, (the town) are all unhappy. They

are busy with their own lives; they gripe; they complain. So seeing

her goodness and happiness spreading throughout the town, makes them

terribly uneasy. She speaks the truth, yet it iritates everyone.

She might innocently ask you "Why are you so mean?"But little by

little, as time goes by, something amazing happens. The town and all

its inhabitants begin to change. They begin to listen. They open

their hearts up, and allow their self to be happy. They start caring

about others, instead of being self-involved. They begin opening to

love.The opening of their hearts was first really noticed by them

when Pollyanna fell from a tree and was seriously hurt. Despite

thinking she was just annoying, they began missing her goodness and

the light she was spreading to each and every person in some little

way.The town gathered together towards the end to wish her well.

Instead of sad frowning faces, she now saw caring, loving people with

big smiles. She didn't even know she was the cause of all this

change! But everyone else knew. She just loved everyone. She was

herself always. And it was her nature that was pure goodness and

innocence. *****So if anyone ever calls you a Pollyana, thank

them!Love,xxxtg

=================================================================

Gee, tee gee ji, I am so glad you responded to Michael's question before Tonyji took

a whack, I mean, attack, I mean, crack at it!!! OK, Tony, we are waiting...

 

Love,

 

Joyce

 

ps There is a distinct disadvantage to my now having my office in my home.

When I had a different location to work from, I had a hard and fast

rule not to look at my email there...

Oh well, rules are made to be broken...Hi Bhuvi :-)...some horsie photos later just for you...

now back to "work"

pps There is another Haley Mills movie called "The Trouble With

Angels" where she starts out as the irreverant, troublemaking,

mischievous child at a girl's Catholic boarding school...she then

shocks everyone, including Mother Superior played by Rosalind

Russell,

and her prankster girl partner, by deciding to become a nun at the end

of the movie when they graduate....great movie...

[Guest guest]

, "Lady Joyce" <shaantih@c...>

wrote:

>

> Tuesday, February 10, 2004 9:59 AM

> Pollyanna... was Unless challenged you

don't know.

>

>

> Michael asked: What is Pollyanna?

> Tee gee wrote...and it is well worth reposting...

> ====================================================

>

> Hi Michael...

>

> One of my favorite all-time movies is "Pollyanna". Starring

Haley

> Mills, and it was made in the 60's.

>

> It's a perfect example of a Pollyanna. This adorable girl's

> (approximately 10-12 years old) parents die, and she goes to

live

> with her Aunt in another town.

>

> Now Polly sees the good in everyone and everything.

Unfortunately,

> her Aunt, the adult friends she makes, the neighbors, (the town)

are

> all unhappy. They are busy with their own lives; they gripe;

they

> complain. So seeing her goodness and happiness spreading

throughout

> the town, makes them terribly uneasy. She speaks the truth, yet

it

> iritates everyone. She might innocently ask you "Why are you so

> mean?"

>

> But little by little, as time goes by, something amazing

happens.

> The town and all its inhabitants begin to change. They begin to

> listen. They open their hearts up, and allow their self to be

> happy. They start caring about others, instead of being self-

> involved. They begin opening to love.

>

> The opening of their hearts was first really noticed by them

when

> Pollyanna fell from a tree and was seriously hurt. Despite

thinking

> she was just annoying, they began missing her goodness and the

light

> she was spreading to each and every person in some little way.

>

> The town gathered together towards the end to wish her well.

Instead

> of sad frowning faces, she now saw caring, loving people with

big

> smiles. She didn't even know she was the cause of all this

change!

> But everyone else knew. She just loved everyone. She was

herself

> always. And it was her nature that was pure goodness and

innocence.

>

> *****

>

> So if anyone ever calls you a Pollyana, thank them!

>

> Love,

> xxxtg

> =================================================================

> Gee, tee gee ji, I am so glad you responded to Michael's

question before Tonyji took

> a whack, I mean, attack, I mean, crack at it!!! OK, Tony, we are

waiting...

>

> Love,

>

> Joyce

>

> ps There is a distinct disadvantage to my now having my office

in my home.

> When I had a different location to work from,

> I had a hard and fast rule not to look at my email there...

> Oh well, rules are made to be broken...

> Hi Bhuvi :-)...some horsie photos later just for you...

> now back to "work"

>

> pps There is another Haley Mills movie called "The Trouble

With Angels" where she starts out as the irreverant, troublemaking,

mischievous child at a girl's Catholic boarding school...

> she then shocks everyone, including Mother Superior played by

Rosalind Russell,

> and her prankster girl partner, by deciding to become a nun at

the end

> of the movie when they graduate....great movie...

 

Namaste,

 

I rest my case...........ONS..Tony

[Guest guest]

'Torney Tony wrote...

Namaste,I rest my case...........ONS..

Motion for nonsuit, Your Honor.

'Torney Tony has failed to state a cause of action upon which relief can be granted.

In fact, Your Honor, he has failed to state any case at all.

In fact, Your Honor, I have no idea what he is talking about, do you?

In the interest of judicial economy, I ask that his case be dismissed.

Furthermore, this is the second time within the last few weeks thathe

has "rested his case" after he, in fact, loses his case because he

has no case. He seems to think that he can make unsusbstantiated and

 

frivolous claims, without any basis other than his say-so.

It is litigious people like him who waste the time of the judicial system,

carrying on and on and on and on and on and on and on...oops, sorry:-)

As you know, the universal statute allows for attorney fees to be awarded for the prevailing

party where the opponent engages in vexatious and frivolous conduct in litigation.

This is a perfect example of a "noncase" where the statute should be applied.

I let him go the first time, but enough is enough, Your Honor.

If we let him get by with this behaviour he will think that he can say

"I rest my case." and walk away everytime his back is up against the

wall.

Although I would normally charge $5 million per hour for my time,

instead, I ask that this Honorable Court impose a sanction upon him

in the form of "do-gooder Pollyana" social work. I think one year

of such service should teach him a lesson. After that, I think he should

be the King of England so that he can learn to understand the suffering of the wealthy.

I think ten years of that should cure him.

In conclusion, I request that my motion be granted and that the sanction be imposed

and that he begin his sadhana immediately. Thank you for your time,

Your Honor. May I kiss your feet now? I have to take my seven year

old to the library...

Hari OM and away I go...

-

Tony OClery

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 3:06 PM

Re: Pollyanna... was Unless challenged you don't know.

, "Lady Joyce" <shaantih@c...>

wrote:> > Tuesday, February 10, 2004 9:59 AM> Subject:

Pollyanna... was Unless challenged you don't know.>

> > Michael asked: What is Pollyanna? > Tee gee wrote...and it

is well worth reposting...>

====================================================> > Hi

Michael...> > One of my favorite all-time movies is "Pollyanna".

Starring Haley > Mills, and it was made in the 60's. > > It's a

perfect example of a Pollyanna. This adorable girl's >

(approximately 10-12 years old) parents die, and she goes to live >

with her Aunt in another town.> > Now Polly sees the good in

everyone and everything. Unfortunately, > her Aunt, the adult

friends she makes, the neighbors, (the town) are > all unhappy.

They are busy with their own lives; they gripe; they > complain.

So seeing her goodness and happiness spreading throughout > the

town, makes them terribly uneasy. She speaks the truth, yet it >

iritates everyone. She might innocently ask you "Why are you so >

mean?"> > But little by little, as time goes by, something amazing

happens. > The town and all its inhabitants begin to change. They

begin to > listen. They open their hearts up, and allow their self

to be > happy. They start caring about others, instead of being

self-> involved. They begin opening to love.> > The opening of

their hearts was first really noticed by them when > Pollyanna fell

from a tree and was seriously hurt. Despite thinking > she was just

annoying, they began missing her goodness and the light > she was

spreading to each and every person in some little way.> > The town

gathered together towards the end to wish her well. Instead > of

sad frowning faces, she now saw caring, loving people with big >

smiles. She didn't even know she was the cause of all this change!

> But everyone else knew. She just loved everyone. She was herself

> always. And it was her nature that was pure goodness and

innocence. > > *****> > So if anyone ever calls you a Pollyana,

thank them!> > Love,> xxxtg>

=================================================================>

Gee, tee gee ji, I am so glad you responded to Michael's question

before Tonyji took> a whack, I mean, attack, I mean, crack at it!!!

OK, Tony, we are waiting...> > Love,> > Joyce> > ps There is a

distinct disadvantage to my now having my office in my home.> When

I had a different location to work from,> I had a hard and fast

rule not to look at my email there...> Oh well, rules are made to

be broken...> Hi Bhuvi :-)...some horsie photos later just for

you...> now back to "work"> > pps There is another Haley Mills

movie called "The Trouble With Angels" where she starts out as the

irreverant, troublemaking, mischievous child at a girl's Catholic

boarding school...> she then shocks everyone, including Mother

Superior played by Rosalind Russell,> and her prankster girl

partner, by deciding to become a nun at the end > of the movie when

they graduate....great

movie.../join

"Love itself is

the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam"

by Suri Nagamma

[Guest guest]

, "Lady Joyce" <shaantih@c...>

wrote:

> 'Torney Tony wrote...

>

> Namaste,

>

> I rest my case...........ONS..>

>

> Motion for nonsuit, Your Honor.

>

> 'Torney Tony has failed to state a cause of action upon which

relief can be granted.

> In fact, Your Honor, he has failed to state any case at all.

> In fact, Your Honor, I have no idea what he is talking about, do

you?

> In the interest of judicial economy, I ask that his case be

dismissed.

>

> Furthermore, this is the second time within the last few weeks that

> he has "rested his case" after he, in fact, loses his case

because he has no case.

> He seems to think that he can make unsusbstantiated and

> frivolous claims, without any basis other than his say-so.

>

> It is litigious people like him who waste the time of the judicial

system,

> carrying on and on and on and on and on and on and on...oops,

sorry:-)

> As you know, the universal statute allows for attorney fees to be

awarded for the prevailing

> party where the opponent engages in vexatious and frivolous

conduct in litigation.

>

> This is a perfect example of a "noncase" where the statute should

be applied.

> I let him go the first time, but enough is enough, Your Honor.

> If we let him get by with this behaviour he will think that he can

say

> "I rest my case." and walk away everytime his back is up against

the wall.

>

> Although I would normally charge $5 million per hour for my time,

> instead, I ask that this Honorable Court impose a sanction upon him

> in the form of "do-gooder Pollyana" social work. I think one year

> of such service should teach him a lesson. After that, I think he

should

> be the King of England so that he can learn to understand the

suffering of the wealthy.

> I think ten years of that should cure him.

>

> In conclusion, I request that my motion be granted and that the

sanction be imposed

> and that he begin his sadhana immediately. Thank you for your

time, Your Honor.

> May I kiss your feet now? I have to take my seven year old to the

library...

>

> Hari OM and away I go...

 

Namaste LJ,

 

Quite good and an effort in superflous refutation etc etc etc. You

missed my point completely which is not surprising.

ONS..Tony

[Guest guest]

'Torney Tony wrote...

Namaste LJ,Quite good and an effort in superflous refutation etc etc

etc. You missed my point completely which is not surprising.ONS..

Humor me, Tonyji and state it in elementary terms, if you will. You

are quite right that I missed

and still don't get your point. Would you be so kind as to state it

in some other fashion than

a one liner? Assume I am in kindergarten and need it explained in

that fashion etc etc etc.

Thank you.

Love,

Joyce

-

Tony OClery

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 5:48 PM

Re: Pollyanna... was Unless challenged you don't know.

, "Lady Joyce" <shaantih@c...>

wrote:> 'Torney Tony wrote...> > Namaste,> > I rest my

case...........ONS..Tony> > > Motion for nonsuit, Your Honor.> >

'Torney Tony has failed to state a cause of action upon which relief

can be granted.> In fact, Your Honor, he has failed to state any case

at all.> In fact, Your Honor, I have no idea what he is talking about,

do you?> In the interest of judicial economy, I ask that his case be

dismissed.> > Furthermore, this is the second time within the last

few weeks that> he has "rested his case" after he, in fact, loses

his case because he has no case. > He seems to think that he can

make unsusbstantiated and > frivolous claims, without any basis other

than his say-so.> > It is litigious people like him who waste the time

of the judicial system,> carrying on and on and on and on and on and

on and on...oops, sorry:-)> As you know, the universal statute allows

for attorney fees to be awarded for the prevailing> party where the

opponent engages in vexatious and frivolous conduct in litigation.>

> This is a perfect example of a "noncase" where the statute should

be applied.> I let him go the first time, but enough is enough, Your

Honor.> If we let him get by with this behaviour he will think that

he can say > "I rest my case." and walk away everytime his back is up

against the wall.> > Although I would normally charge $5 million per

hour for my time,> instead, I ask that this Honorable Court impose a

sanction upon him> in the form of "do-gooder Pollyana" social work.

I think one year> of such service should teach him a lesson. After

that, I think he should> be the King of England so that he can learn

to understand the suffering of the wealthy.> I think ten years of

that should cure him.> > In conclusion, I request that my motion be

granted and that the sanction be imposed> and that he begin his

sadhana immediately. Thank you for your time, Your Honor. > May I

kiss your feet now? I have to take my seven year old to the

library...> > Hari OM and away I go...Namaste LJ,Quite good and an

effort in superflous refutation etc etc etc. You missed my point

completely which is not surprising.ONS..Tony

[Guest guest]

Lady Joyce,

 

As you already know..........

 

The form that we are all born into.....human.....being form.....is limited.

 

Part of its limitation is something we can recognize in ourselves as the

story based sense of self.

The story, being only a story, comprised of fragmented / filtered / altered

memories, emotions and thoughts, is not complete and can never be complete.

It can never be complete because its only a story, not reality.

However, during a humans life, every once in a while, the human experiences

tiny glimpses of something far beyond its understanding. Something so pure,

so fresh, so peaceful, that the story based sense of self is ever driven to

fulfill itself thinking it can be that.

The stories quest for fulfillment is what has caused all the suffering

mankind has perpetuated on its self and everything it has come into contact

with.

 

Enter spiritual practice. Enter the teachings of the Buddha, Jesus, Romana,

Nissagadata etc.

 

To get beyond suffering, suffering we cause ourselves and suffering we

impart to others, all one need do is get past identification with form as a

sense of self and realize, the True Self below it.

 

If one is serious about it, more serious then anything else, its not all

that difficult to do. The key is getting the compulsive thought stream to

stop. Once stopped so there is no automatic labeling, no judging, no

reactive thought, no wasteful pointless thoughts. In this condition, ones

true Self becomes evident.

 

One of the many ways, and there are many, hence the many teachings, is to

recognize thought for what it is. To recognize its temporary nature, to

recognize how quickly things that seem all important change at a whim. To

recognize points of view as simply that. Points of View. Once this is

recognized, the minds attachment to thought lessens and with conviction, stops.

 

Thought is still available to us as a tool, but it no longer rules our

lives. We are now free to live, and not simply follow conditioning.

 

This is where Tonys posts are so important as teachings and why we should

welcome them on this list..

 

Tony's writing are such clear examples of the story based sense of self

expressing itself and you can probably recognize in your self, your egoic

sense of self reacting to them.

In a way, its beautiful to have teaching as clear as these to show you so

clearly you egoic / story based self in action.

 

Here is one point of view opposing another point of view and causing

suffering though frustration, anger etc.

 

The story based sense of self in action. So clear. Beautiful.

 

Peace,

 

Branwell

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At 04:48 PM 2/10/2004, you wrote:

>'Torney Tony wrote...

>

>Namaste,

>

>I rest my case...........ONS..>

>Motion for nonsuit, Your Honor.

>

>'Torney Tony has failed to state a cause of action upon which relief can

>be granted.

>In fact, Your Honor, he has failed to state any case at all.

>In fact, Your Honor, I have no idea what he is talking about, do you?

>In the interest of judicial economy, I ask that his case be dismissed.

>

>Furthermore, this is the second time within the last few weeks that

>he has "rested his case" after he, in fact, loses his case because he has

>no case.

>He seems to think that he can make unsusbstantiated and

>frivolous claims, without any basis other than his say-so.

>

>It is litigious people like him who waste the time of the judicial system,

>carrying on and on and on and on and on and on and on...oops, sorry:-)

>As you know, the universal statute allows for attorney fees to be awarded

>for the prevailing

>party where the opponent engages in vexatious and frivolous conduct in

>litigation.

>

>This is a perfect example of a "noncase" where the statute should be applied.

>I let him go the first time, but enough is enough, Your Honor.

>If we let him get by with this behaviour he will think that he can say

>"I rest my case." and walk away everytime his back is up against the wall.

>

>Although I would normally charge $5 million per hour for my time,

>instead, I ask that this Honorable Court impose a sanction upon him

>in the form of "do-gooder Pollyana" social work. I think one year

>of such service should teach him a lesson. After that, I think he should

>be the King of England so that he can learn to understand the suffering of

>the wealthy.

>I think ten years of that should cure him.

>

>In conclusion, I request that my motion be granted and that the sanction

>be imposed

>and that he begin his sadhana immediately. Thank you for your time, Your

>Honor.

>May I kiss your feet now? I have to take my seven year old to the library...

>

>Hari OM and away I go...

>

>

>

>

>-

><aocleryTony OClery

><>

>Tuesday, February 10, 2004 3:06 PM

> Re: Pollyanna... was Unless challenged you don't

>know.

>

>--- In

><>,

>"Lady Joyce" <<shaantih@c>shaantih@c...>

>wrote:

> >

> > Tuesday, February 10, 2004 9:59 AM

> > Pollyanna... was Unless challenged you

>don't know.

> >

> >

> > Michael asked: What is Pollyanna?

> > Tee gee wrote...and it is well worth reposting...

> > ====================================================

> >

> > Hi Michael...

> >

> > One of my favorite all-time movies is "Pollyanna". Starring

>Haley

> > Mills, and it was made in the 60's.

> >

> > It's a perfect example of a Pollyanna. This adorable girl's

> > (approximately 10-12 years old) parents die, and she goes to

>live

> > with her Aunt in another town.

> >

> > Now Polly sees the good in everyone and everything.

>Unfortunately,

> > her Aunt, the adult friends she makes, the neighbors, (the town)

>are

> > all unhappy. They are busy with their own lives; they gripe;

>they

> > complain. So seeing her goodness and happiness spreading

>throughout

> > the town, makes them terribly uneasy. She speaks the truth, yet

>it

> > iritates everyone. She might innocently ask you "Why are you so

> > mean?"

> >

> > But little by little, as time goes by, something amazing

>happens.

> > The town and all its inhabitants begin to change. They begin to

> > listen. They open their hearts up, and allow their self to be

> > happy. They start caring about others, instead of being self-

> > involved. They begin opening to love.

> >

> > The opening of their hearts was first really noticed by them

>when

> > Pollyanna fell from a tree and was seriously hurt. Despite

>thinking

> > she was just annoying, they began missing her goodness and the

>light

> > she was spreading to each and every person in some little way.

> >

> > The town gathered together towards the end to wish her well.

>Instead

> > of sad frowning faces, she now saw caring, loving people with

>big

> > smiles. She didn't even know she was the cause of all this

>change!

> > But everyone else knew. She just loved everyone. She was

>herself

> > always. And it was her nature that was pure goodness and

>innocence.

> >

> > *****

> >

> > So if anyone ever calls you a Pollyana, thank them!

> >

> > Love,

> > xxxtg

> > =================================================================

> > Gee, tee gee ji, I am so glad you responded to Michael's

>question before Tonyji took

> > a whack, I mean, attack, I mean, crack at it!!! OK, Tony, we are

>waiting...

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Joyce

> >

> > ps There is a distinct disadvantage to my now having my office

>in my home.

> > When I had a different location to work from,

> > I had a hard and fast rule not to look at my email there...

> > Oh well, rules are made to be broken...

> > Hi Bhuvi :-)...some horsie photos later just for you...

> > now back to "work"

> >

> > pps There is another Haley Mills movie called "The Trouble

>With Angels" where she starts out as the irreverant, troublemaking,

>mischievous child at a girl's Catholic boarding school...

> > she then shocks everyone, including Mother Superior played by

>Rosalind Russell,

> > and her prankster girl partner, by deciding to become a nun at

>the end

> > of the movie when they graduate....great movie...

>

>

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>

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>

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>

>Sri Ramana

>

>In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

>

>

>

>

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>

>

><>

>

>"Love itself is the actual form of God."

>

>Sri Ramana

>

>In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

>

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---- Original Message -----

Branwell McClory

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 8:21 PM

Re: Re: Pollyanna... was Unless challenged you don't know.

Lady Joyce,As you already know..........

==================================================================

Yep, I knew that :-) Forgive me, Branwell, but I have not lost my

thoughts enough yet to stop having fun. You see, being an attorney

by profession, I slipped into that "form" in my little game with

Tony. So, I could not but help playing the devil's advocate...after

all, someone has to stand up for Pollyanna and Haley Mills and the

angels, too.

Thank you for your thoughtful and considerate post, Branwell.

Peace to you too,

Joyce

The form that we are all born into.....human.....being form.....is

limited.Part of its limitation is something we can recognize in

ourselves as the story based sense of self.The story, being only a

story, comprised of fragmented / filtered / altered memories,

emotions and thoughts, is not complete and can never be complete. It

can never be complete because its only a story, not reality.However,

during a humans life, every once in a while, the human experiences

tiny glimpses of something far beyond its understanding. Something so

pure, so fresh, so peaceful, that the story based sense of self is

ever driven to fulfill itself thinking it can be that.The stories

quest for fulfillment is what has caused all the suffering mankind

has perpetuated on its self and everything it has come into contact

with.Enter spiritual practice. Enter the teachings of the Buddha,

Jesus, Romana, Nissagadata etc.To get beyond suffering, suffering we

cause ourselves and suffering we impart to others, all one need do is

get past identification with form as a sense of self and realize, the

True Self below it.If one is serious about it, more serious then

anything else, its not all that difficult to do. The key is getting

the compulsive thought stream to stop. Once stopped so there is no

automatic labeling, no judging, no reactive thought, no wasteful

pointless thoughts. In this condition, ones true Self becomes

evident.One of the many ways, and there are many, hence the many

teachings, is to recognize thought for what it is. To recognize its

temporary nature, to recognize how quickly things that seem all

important change at a whim. To recognize points of view as simply

that. Points of View. Once this is recognized, the minds attachment

to thought lessens and with conviction, stops.Thought is still

available to us as a tool, but it no longer rules our lives. We are

now free to live, and not simply follow conditioning.This is where

Tonys posts are so important as teachings and why we should welcome

them on this list..Tony's writing are such clear examples of the

story based sense of self expressing itself and you can probably

recognize in your self, your egoic sense of self reacting to them.In

a way, its beautiful to have teaching as clear as these to show you

so clearly you egoic / story based self in action.Here is one point

of view opposing another point of view and causing suffering though

frustration, anger etc.The story based sense of self in action. So

clear. Beautiful.Peace,BranwellAt 04:48 PM 2/10/2004, you

wrote:>'Torney Tony wrote...>>Namaste,>>I rest my

case...........ONS..Tony>>Motion for nonsuit, Your Honor.>>'Torney

Tony has failed to state a cause of action upon which relief can >be

granted.>In fact, Your Honor, he has failed to state any case at

all.>In fact, Your Honor, I have no idea what he is talking about, do

you?>In the interest of judicial economy, I ask that his case be

dismissed.>>Furthermore, this is the second time within the last few

weeks that>he has "rested his case" after he, in fact, loses his

case because he has >no case.>He seems to think that he can make

unsusbstantiated and>frivolous claims, without any basis other than

his say-so.>>It is litigious people like him who waste the time of

the judicial system,>carrying on and on and on and on and on and on

and on...oops, sorry:-)>As you know, the universal statute allows for

attorney fees to be awarded >for the prevailing>party where the

opponent engages in vexatious and frivolous conduct in

>litigation.>>This is a perfect example of a "noncase" where the

statute should be applied.>I let him go the first time, but enough is

enough, Your Honor.>If we let him get by with this behaviour he will

think that he can say>"I rest my case." and walk away everytime his

back is up against the wall.>>Although I would normally charge $5

million per hour for my time,>instead, I ask that this Honorable

Court impose a sanction upon him>in the form of "do-gooder Pollyana"

social work. I think one year>of such service should teach him a

lesson. After that, I think he should>be the King of England so that

he can learn to understand the suffering of >the wealthy.>I think ten

years of that should cure him.>>In conclusion, I request that my

motion be granted and that the sanction >be imposed>and that he begin

his sadhana immediately. Thank you for your time, Your >Honor.>May I

kiss your feet now? I have to take my seven year old to the

library...>>Hari OM and away I go...>>>>>----- Original Message

-----><aoclery >Tony OClery>To:

<>>Sent:

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 3:06 PM> Re:

Pollyanna... was Unless challenged you don't >know.>>--- In

><>,

>"Lady Joyce" <<shaantih@c>shaantih@c...>>wrote:> >> > Sent:

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 9:59 AM> >

Pollyanna... was Unless challenged you>don't know.> >> >> > Michael

asked: What is Pollyanna?> > Tee gee wrote...and it is well worth

reposting...> >

====================================================> >> > Hi

Michael...> >> > One of my favorite all-time movies is "Pollyanna".

Starring>Haley> > Mills, and it was made in the 60's.> >> > It's

a perfect example of a Pollyanna. This adorable girl's> >

(approximately 10-12 years old) parents die, and she goes to>live> >

with her Aunt in another town.> >> > Now Polly sees the good in

everyone and everything.>Unfortunately,> > her Aunt, the adult

friends she makes, the neighbors, (the town)>are> > all unhappy.

They are busy with their own lives; they gripe;>they> > complain.

So seeing her goodness and happiness spreading>throughout> > the

town, makes them terribly uneasy. She speaks the truth, yet>it> >

iritates everyone. She might innocently ask you "Why are you so> >

mean?"> >> > But little by little, as time goes by, something

amazing>happens.> > The town and all its inhabitants begin to

change. They begin to> > listen. They open their hearts up, and

allow their self to be> > happy. They start caring about others,

instead of being self-> > involved. They begin opening to love.>

>> > The opening of their hearts was first really noticed by

them>when> > Pollyanna fell from a tree and was seriously hurt.

Despite>thinking> > she was just annoying, they began missing her

goodness and the>light> > she was spreading to each and every

person in some little way.> >> > The town gathered together towards

the end to wish her well.>Instead> > of sad frowning faces, she now

saw caring, loving people with>big> > smiles. She didn't even know

she was the cause of all this>change!> > But everyone else knew.

She just loved everyone. She was>herself> > always. And it was

her nature that was pure goodness and>innocence.> >> > *****> >> >

So if anyone ever calls you a Pollyana, thank them!> >> > Love,> >

xxxtg> >

=================================================================> >

Gee, tee gee ji, I am so glad you responded to Michael's>question

before Tonyji took> > a whack, I mean, attack, I mean, crack at

it!!! OK, Tony, we are>waiting...> >> > Love,> >> > Joyce> >> >

ps There is a distinct disadvantage to my now having my office>in my

home.> > When I had a different location to work from,> > I had

a hard and fast rule not to look at my email there...> > Oh well,

rules are made to be broken...> > Hi Bhuvi :-)...some horsie photos

later just for you...> > now back to "work"> >> > pps There is

another Haley Mills movie called "The Trouble>With Angels" where she

starts out as the irreverant, troublemaking,>mischievous child at a

girl's Catholic boarding school...> > she then shocks everyone,

including Mother Superior played by>Rosalind Russell,> > and her

prankster girl partner, by deciding to become a nun at>the end> >

of the movie when they graduate....great

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[Guest guest]

Thank you dear Branwell for a very thoughtful post.

 

What is a "story based sense of self" except another

concept?

 

Sometimes stories may be helpful in taking us to the

silence behind the stories.

 

One needs a story. One good story will do.

 

One good story, told well, is like a flame that can

light up our being.

 

Sri Ramana, Lao Tzu, Christ, Buddha,....they all had

stories.

 

One good story is all you need. When people connect

with a story, their story is revealed in their being.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

--- Branwell McClory <branwell1 wrote:

> Lady Joyce,

>

> As you already know..........

>

> The form that we are all born

> into.....human.....being form.....is limited.

>

> Part of its limitation is something we can recognize

> in ourselves as the

> story based sense of self.

> The story, being only a story, comprised of

> fragmented / filtered / altered

> memories, emotions and thoughts, is not complete and

> can never be complete.

> It can never be complete because its only a story,

> not reality.

> However, during a humans life, every once in a

> while, the human experiences

> tiny glimpses of something far beyond its

> understanding. Something so pure,

> so fresh, so peaceful, that the story based sense of

> self is ever driven to

> fulfill itself thinking it can be that.

> The stories quest for fulfillment is what has caused

> all the suffering

> mankind has perpetuated on its self and everything

> it has come into contact

> with.

>

> Enter spiritual practice. Enter the teachings of the

> Buddha, Jesus, Romana,

> Nissagadata etc.

>

> To get beyond suffering, suffering we cause

> ourselves and suffering we

> impart to others, all one need do is get past

> identification with form as a

> sense of self and realize, the True Self below it.

>

> If one is serious about it, more serious then

> anything else, its not all

> that difficult to do. The key is getting the

> compulsive thought stream to

> stop. Once stopped so there is no automatic

> labeling, no judging, no

> reactive thought, no wasteful pointless thoughts. In

> this condition, ones

> true Self becomes evident.

>

> One of the many ways, and there are many, hence the

> many teachings, is to

> recognize thought for what it is. To recognize its

> temporary nature, to

> recognize how quickly things that seem all important

> change at a whim. To

> recognize points of view as simply that. Points of

> View. Once this is

> recognized, the minds attachment to thought lessens

> and with conviction, stops.

>

> Thought is still available to us as a tool, but it

> no longer rules our

> lives. We are now free to live, and not simply

> follow conditioning.

>

> This is where Tonys posts are so important as

> teachings and why we should

> welcome them on this list..

>

> Tony's writing are such clear examples of the story

> based sense of self

> expressing itself and you can probably recognize in

> your self, your egoic

> sense of self reacting to them.

> In a way, its beautiful to have teaching as clear as

> these to show you so

> clearly you egoic / story based self in action.

>

> Here is one point of view opposing another point of

> view and causing

> suffering though frustration, anger etc.

>

> The story based sense of self in action. So clear.

> Beautiful.

>

> Peace,

>

> Branwell

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Harsha and All

Wonderful!

Taking this out of context: "One good story, told well, is like a

flame that can light up our being."

.....And if the one good story goes bad.....Don't blame the

flame....Talk to the moths

Which out of compassion awakened ones do time and time again

ceaselessly/boundlessly arising for blinded moths like me

Truly Amazing! (Just a thought)

With Lovingkindness

Simon L

 

 

, Harsha <harshaimtm>

wrote:

> Thank you dear Branwell for a very thoughtful post.

>

> What is a "story based sense of self" except another

> concept?

>

> Sometimes stories may be helpful in taking us to the

> silence behind the stories.

>

> One needs a story. One good story will do.

>

> One good story, told well, is like a flame that can

> light up our being.

>

> Sri Ramana, Lao Tzu, Christ, Buddha,....they all had

> stories.

>

> One good story is all you need. When people connect

> with a story, their story is revealed in their being.

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

>

[Guest guest]

, "Lady Joyce" <shaantih@c...>

wrote:

> 'Torney Tony wrote...

>

> Namaste LJ,

>

> Quite good and an effort in superflous refutation etc etc etc. You

> missed my point completely which is not surprising.

> ONS..>

>

> Humor me, Tonyji and state it in elementary terms, if you will.

You are quite right that I missed

> and still don't get your point. Would you be so kind as to state

it in some other fashion than

> a one liner? Assume I am in kindergarten and need it explained in

that fashion etc etc etc.

> Thank you.

>

> Love,

>

> Joyce

 

Namaste LJ,

 

Your word skills as an attorney would be far better than mine. I'm

at the stage of life were I have a few word finding problems.

I don't want to belabour the point but what I was trying to say

about the pollyannas etc is this; Charity has to be done without ego

and be tied to the whole of one's life. It is no good going down

feeding the poor or helping the sick etc if it is done with a

feeling of 'I am helping'. Nor is it any help after being charitable

to go back to one's selfish life with gas guzzling suvs, wasting

other resources etc. This is what makes the poor---poor. It is like

gambling in order to win you must steal another's money.

I suppose put succintly...If one is going to help, let it be

Nishkarma karma and let it be in tune with the rest of one's like to

the extent it is possible. St Vincent de Paul, Mother Teresa are

giant examples. For it is changing society that will change the poor

or eliminate poverty not just a hand out for ego reasons, like so

many celebrity tax dodges or, idle rich charities etc.

The charity is for oneself not for the poor per se..........ONS..Tony

[Guest guest]

, Branwell McClory

<branwell1@e...> wrote:

> Lady Joyce,

>

> As you already know..........

>

> The form that we are all born into.....human.....being form.....is

limited.

>

> Part of its limitation is something we can recognize in ourselves

as the

> story based sense of self.

> The story, being only a story, comprised of fragmented /

filtered / altered

> memories, emotions and thoughts, is not complete and can never be

complete.

> It can never be complete because its only a story, not reality.

> However, during a humans life, every once in a while, the human

experiences

 

Namaste branwell,

 

Yes I am aware of what you say. In my own life there is the

dichotomy as in others, the contradiction of knowing that it is all

a dream but not having realised that one has to play out the

prarabda karma. Even making decisions on changing society or charity

is also prarabda karma. In other words one has to complete action,

even the Jivanmukta's body does prarabda karma---for that is the law.

God has the dream but there is no Personal God ultimately.

You were right about one thing, my own story based self was girded

into self reflection by mainly unfortunate and painful

circumstances. If I had a happy middle class comfortable existence

without the painful wake up calls; I wouldn't have desired to escape

of find the truth----that is good karma for me...

 

Human beings were engineered to look for the spiritual path to

Realisation. The problem is the intellect that was given for this

purpose has been subverted and directed at materialism and selfish

gain. The societies that existed in the past, that followed the

right path have long been overthrown, and supplanted with the pre-

Adamic/Pre-Kumaric corruption. So far the Adamics/Kumaras seem to

have generally failed.......ONS..Tony

[Guest guest]

Hello Tony,

 

1) To move beyond the mind, i.e. to know your self beyond this limited

egoic sense of self, all that is required is to drop the illusion that the

mind matters so crucially.

You can spend your whole life studying, meditating, believing this or that.

You can follow this path, that path, you can create lots of mind structures

to entertain your self, but ultimately, as long as you have belief systems

in place, you are not going to be able to drop the bagage and simply allow

life to flow through you. You are not going to be able to realize the self.

At some point, you need to stop with the mental gymnastics.

 

2) Your comment:

""If I had a happy middle class comfortable existence without the painful

wake up calls; I wouldn't have desired to escape of find the truth----that

is good karma for me...""

 

The only thing ( not person ) that thinks you had a tough upbringing is

your egoic sense of self.

I will point out that suicide is not limited to the poor, or people from

quote "bad" surroundings and up bringings. I will also point out that

people with private jets are also hiring psychiatrists to sort them selfs

out. They are also on Prosaic.

 

Life is the teacher and if its time for a specific form to suffer so it can

wake up, that form will surely suffer.

Life gave you exactly what you needed Tony to get you to this point. To get

to a point where you can wake up.

Its obvious that life wants you to wake up, so why don't you simply stop

messing with it and do as it says.

I would urge you to take the next step. Drop the beliefs, drop the

practices, drop the this and that and simply be.

 

Silence is wonderful, emptiness is wonderfull,

 

Branwell

 

 

At 12:50 PM 2/11/2004, you wrote:

>, Branwell McClory

><branwell1@e...> wrote:

> > Lady Joyce,

> >

> > As you already know..........

> >

> > The form that we are all born into.....human.....being form.....is

>limited.

> >

> > Part of its limitation is something we can recognize in ourselves

>as the

> > story based sense of self.

> > The story, being only a story, comprised of fragmented /

>filtered / altered

> > memories, emotions and thoughts, is not complete and can never be

>complete.

> > It can never be complete because its only a story, not reality.

> > However, during a humans life, every once in a while, the human

>experiences

>

>Namaste branwell,

>

>Yes I am aware of what you say. In my own life there is the

>dichotomy as in others, the contradiction of knowing that it is all

>a dream but not having realised that one has to play out the

>prarabda karma. Even making decisions on changing society or charity

>is also prarabda karma. In other words one has to complete action,

>even the Jivanmukta's body does prarabda karma---for that is the law.

>God has the dream but there is no Personal God ultimately.

>You were right about one thing, my own story based self was girded

>into self reflection by mainly unfortunate and painful

>circumstances. If I had a happy middle class comfortable existence

>without the painful wake up calls; I wouldn't have desired to escape

>of find the truth----that is good karma for me...

>

>Human beings were engineered to look for the spiritual path to

>Realisation. The problem is the intellect that was given for this

>purpose has been subverted and directed at materialism and selfish

>gain. The societies that existed in the past, that followed the

>right path have long been overthrown, and supplanted with the pre-

>Adamic/Pre-Kumaric corruption. So far the Adamics/Kumaras seem to

>have generally failed.......ONS..>

>

>

>/join

>

>

>

>

>

>"Love itself is the actual form of God."

>

>Sri Ramana

>

>In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

> Links

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, Branwell McClory

<branwell1@e...> wrote:

> Hello Tony,

>

> 1) To move beyond the mind, i.e. to know your self beyond this

limited

> egoic sense of self, all that is required is to drop the illusion

that the

> mind matters so crucially.

> You can spend your whole life studying, meditating, believing this

or that.

> You can follow this path, that path, you can create lots of mind

structures

> to entertain your self, but ultimately, as long as you have belief

systems

> in place, you are not going to be able to drop the bagage and

simply allow

> life to flow through you. You are not going to be able to realize

the self.

> At some point, you need to stop with the mental gymnastics.

>

> 2) Your comment:

> ""If I had a happy middle class comfortable existence without the

painful

> wake up calls; I wouldn't have desired to escape of find the truth-

---that

> is good karma for me...""

>

> The only thing ( not person ) that thinks you had a tough

upbringing is

> your egoic sense of self.

> I will point out that suicide is not limited to the poor, or

people from

> quote "bad" surroundings and up bringings. I will also point out

that

> people with private jets are also hiring psychiatrists to sort

them selfs

> out. They are also on Prosaic.

>

> Life is the teacher and if its time for a specific form to suffer

so it can

> wake up, that form will surely suffer.

> Life gave you exactly what you needed Tony to get you to this

point. To get

> to a point where you can wake up.

> Its obvious that life wants you to wake up, so why don't you

simply stop

> messing with it and do as it says.

> I would urge you to take the next step. Drop the beliefs, drop the

> practices, drop the this and that and simply be.

>

> Silence is wonderful, emptiness is wonderfull,

>

> Branwell

 

Namaste Branwell,

 

Yes I can quote Ramana, Nisargadatta etc chapter and verse and I

feel that I do have a handle on non duality. However I won't be

realised until it is my time, no matter what I do.

 

So I live in the world of illusion. For as Sankara said it is real

whilst one is in it. It is easy to say drop this drop that drop the

mind etc, but if one hasn't purified the Buddhi enough this won't

happen. So in these discussion groups we talk relatively and

absolutely and mixing these apples and oranges sometimes seems a

little confusing. Even Ramana indicates this fact in his teachings--

that purification is necessary so to speak.

 

So we amuse ourselves on discussion groups talking about our dream

lives and dream suffering and dream materialism.

 

Unfortunately there seems to be a direct connection between how we

live our lives and Realisation.........ONS...Tony

[Guest guest]

, "Lady Joyce" <shaantih@c...>

wrote:> 'Torney Tony wrote...> > Namaste LJ,> > Quite good and an

effort in superflous refutation etc etc etc. You > missed my point

completely which is not surprising.> ONS..Tony> > > Humor me, Tonyji

and state it in elementary terms, if you will. You are quite right

that I missed> and still don't get your point. Would you be so kind

as to state it in some other fashion than> a one liner? Assume I am

in kindergarten and need it explained in that fashion etc etc etc. >

Thank you.> > Love,> > JoyceNamaste LJ,Your word skills as an attorney

would be far better than mine. I'm at the stage of life were I have a

few word finding problems.

================================================================

Excuses, excuses...Not to worry, Tonyji, you do just fine saying what

it is you want to say. Now, you go and have a nice day, OK? Be still

and know that you are God :-)

And that we love you, crusty old cranky that you also are...

Like Branwell says...everything is exactly as it should be..

for you, for me...Blessed Be.

Love,

Joyce, in her own right and on behalf of the do-gooders, Pollyannas,

and those who drive SUV's, etc etc etc

OM Namah Shivaya /\

[Guest guest]

Branwell wrote

all that is required is to drop the illusion that the mind matters so

crucially.You can spend your whole life studying, meditating,

believing this or that. You can follow this path, that path, you can

create lots of mind structures to entertain your self, but

ultimately, as long as you have belief systems in place, you are not

going to be able to drop the bagage and simply allow life to flow

through you. You are not going to be able to realize the self.

 

Chris writing,

I agree with everything you have said here Branwell.

All teachings are concepts and can only point to Truth.

At some point if you follow the Buddha's action you give up completely

and sit under the tree ( metaphorically) not even looking or not

looking for enlightenment. Just get on with your life as though you

had total free will.

 

There is nothing you can do because if you accept there is nothing but

consciousness then you as form-egoic me cant possibly be the doer of

anything. You are Gods puppet an actor in the play a wave of the

ocean, whatever metaphor suits you.

 

Many Monks/yogis have become wonderful mediators full of knowledge

without realizing that knowledge or rather having an identity as the

spiritual one, wise one, teacher, is the last barrier to realizing

the self. the last fortress of the ego.

 

However I do believe that you have to prepare the ground before coming

to the conclusion that, there is nothing that you can know

intellectually or do mentally or physically that can bring about

realization.

 

Problem is the ego perpetuates its own interests by making out that the mind (itself ) is important.

If there is anything helpful for me it is to be myself in this moment.

The ego needs past and future to survive i.e. what if and remember

what happened last time? Mostly fear based.

When the ego endeavors to pulls me into past and future I am now aware

of this and focus on the energy of my body and am not knee jerk

reactive as I was. Each time the ego tries to get me to identify with

its story I just allow it to be but stay present in the moment. I have

found this getting very easy as the ego gets weaker.

 

Namaste Chris

[Guest guest]

, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

wrote:

>

> Yes I can quote Ramana, Nisargadatta etc chapter and verse and I

> feel that I do have a handle on non duality. However I won't be

> realised until it is my time, no matter what I do.

 

Hi Tony...

 

That is so true. I think you said it better in another post:

 

...."Having said that the only solution is non action through action,

nishkaarma karma and saranagathis or surrender. IMO. It is only our

attitude to an action that provides the karma for the next life not

the act itself, which is preordained...."

> So I live in the world of illusion. For as Sankara said it is real

> whilst one is in it. It is easy to say drop this drop that drop the

> mind etc, but if one hasn't purified the Buddhi enough this won't

> happen. So in these discussion groups we talk relatively and

> absolutely and mixing these apples and oranges sometimes seems a

> little confusing. Even Ramana indicates this fact in his teachings--

> that purification is necessary so to speak.

 

 

Ramana might indicate this, but it could be taken out of context,

reinterpreted, and turned into a belief that isn't necessarily true.

Purification is not necessary first. If that were true, no one would

ever be realized! And this includes Ramana!

 

What exactly does your idea of 'purification' include? Surrendering

itself is the purifier. It waits on you, not the opposite.

 

> So we amuse ourselves on discussion groups talking about our dream

> lives and dream suffering and dream materialism.

>

> Unfortunately there seems to be a direct connection between how we

> live our lives and Realisation.........ONS...Tony

 

That may seem like a fact based on your experiences and/or knowledge,

but it is just a belief. What if that belief was surrendered? What

if every belief you ever held (based on your experiences and all that

wonderful knowledge in that noggin of yours) was surrendered?

 

I spent one whole day surrendering every possible belief, fear, and

knowledge I had. And when I couldn't think of anything else to

surrender, I surrendered that I have nothing else to surrender. Then

came a few more hours of stuff to continue to surrender. I kept

doing that, until finally I surrendered the only other thought that

occurred to me, which was to surrender that I had to surrender all

this crap. LOL

 

That whole process was interesting in itself.

 

Love,

xxxtg

[Guest guest]

Dear Lady Joyce

are you still practicing law - and which kind of attorney are you?

Thank you much

michael bindel

>"Lady Joyce"

> >

> Re: Pollyanna... was Unless challenged you

don't know. >Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:12:40 -0500 > >---- Original

Message ----- > Branwell McClory > To:

> Tuesday, February 10, 2004

8:21 PM > Re: Re: Pollyanna... was Unless

challenged you don't know. > > > Lady Joyce, > > As you already

know.......... > >

================================================================== >

Yep, I knew that :-) Forgive me, Branwell, but I have not lost my

thoughts enough yet to stop having fun. You see, being an attorney

by profession, I slipped into that "form" in my little game with

Tony. So, I could not but help playing the devil's advocate...after

all, someone has to stand up for Pollyanna and Haley Mills and the

angels, too. > > Thank you for your thoughtful and considerate

post, Branwell. > > Peace to you too, > > Joyce > > > > > > The

form that we are all born into.....human.....being form.....is

limited. > > Part of its limitation is something we can recognize

in ourselves as the > story based sense of self. > The story,

being only a story, comprised of fragmented / filtered / altered >

memories, emotions and thoughts, is not complete and can never be

complete. > It can never be complete because its only a story, not

reality. > However, during a humans life, every once in a while,

the human experiences > tiny glimpses of something far beyond its

understanding. Something so pure, > so fresh, so peaceful, that the

story based sense of self is ever driven to > fulfill itself

thinking it can be that. > The stories quest for fulfillment is

what has caused all the suffering > mankind has perpetuated on its

self and everything it has come into contact > with. > > Enter

spiritual practice. Enter the teachings of the Buddha, Jesus, Romana,

> Nissagadata etc. > > To get beyond suffering, suffering we cause

ourselves and suffering we > impart to others, all one need do is

get past identification with form as a > sense of self and realize,

the True Self below it. > > If one is serious about it, more serious

then anything else, its not all > that difficult to do. The key is

getting the compulsive thought stream to > stop. Once stopped so

there is no automatic labeling, no judging, no > reactive thought,

no wasteful pointless thoughts. In this condition, ones > true Self

becomes evident. > > One of the many ways, and there are many, hence

the many teachings, is to > recognize thought for what it is. To

recognize its temporary nature, to > recognize how quickly things

that seem all important change at a whim. To > recognize points of

view as simply that. Points of View. Once this is > recognized, the

minds attachment to thought lessens and with conviction, stops. > >

Thought is still available to us as a tool, but it no longer rules

our > lives. We are now free to live, and not simply follow

conditioning. > > This is where Tonys posts are so important as

teachings and why we should > welcome them on this list.. > >

Tony's writing are such clear examples of the story based sense of

self > expressing itself and you can probably recognize in your

self, your egoic > sense of self reacting to them. > In a way,

its beautiful to have teaching as clear as these to show you so >

clearly you egoic / story based self in action. > > Here is one

point of view opposing another point of view and causing >

suffering though frustration, anger etc. > > The story based sense

of self in action. So clear. Beautiful. > > Peace, > > Branwell >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > At 04:48 PM 2/10/2004, you wrote: >

>'Torney Tony wrote... > > > >Namaste, > > > >I rest my

case...........ONS..Tony > > > >Motion for nonsuit, Your Honor. >

> > >'Torney Tony has failed to state a cause of action upon which

relief can > >be granted. > >In fact, Your Honor, he has failed to

state any case at all. > >In fact, Your Honor, I have no idea what

he is talking about, do you? > >In the interest of judicial

economy, I ask that his case be dismissed. > > > >Furthermore,

this is the second time within the last few weeks that > >he has

"rested his case" after he, in fact, loses his case because he has >

>no case. > >He seems to think that he can make unsusbstantiated

and > >frivolous claims, without any basis other than his say-so. >

> > >It is litigious people like him who waste the time of the

judicial system, > >carrying on and on and on and on and on and on

and on...oops, sorry:-) > >As you know, the universal statute

allows for attorney fees to be awarded > >for the prevailing >

>party where the opponent engages in vexatious and frivolous conduct

in > >litigation. > > > >This is a perfect example of a

"noncase" where the statute should be applied. > >I let him go the

first time, but enough is enough, Your Honor. > >If we let him get

by with this behaviour he will think that he can say > >"I rest my

case." and walk away everytime his back is up against the wall. > >

> >Although I would normally charge $5 million per hour for my time,

> >instead, I ask that this Honorable Court impose a sanction upon

him > >in the form of "do-gooder Pollyana" social work. I think

one year > >of such service should teach him a lesson. After that,

I think he should > >be the King of England so that he can learn to

understand the suffering of > >the wealthy. > >I think ten years

of that should cure him. > > > >In conclusion, I request that my

motion be granted and that the sanction > >be imposed > >and that

he begin his sadhana immediately. Thank you for your time, Your >

>Honor. > >May I kiss your feet now? I have to take my seven year

old to the library... > > > >Hari OM and away I go... > > > >

> > > > > >- > >Tony OClery >

> > >Tuesday, February 10,

2004 3:06 PM > > Re: Pollyanna... was

Unless challenged you don't > >know. > > > >>

>, > >"Lady Joyce" <shaantih@c...> >

>wrote: > > > > > > Tuesday, February 10, 2004 9:59 AM >

> > Pollyanna... was Unless challenged

you > >don't know. > > > > > > > > > Michael asked: What

is Pollyanna? > > > Tee gee wrote...and it is well worth

reposting... > > >

==================================================== > > > > > >

Hi Michael... > > > > > > One of my favorite all-time movies is

"Pollyanna". Starring > >Haley > > > Mills, and it was made in

the 60's. > > > > > > It's a perfect example of a Pollyanna.

This adorable girl's > > > (approximately 10-12 years old)

parents die, and she goes to > >live > > > with her Aunt in

another town. > > > > > > Now Polly sees the good in everyone

and everything. > >Unfortunately, > > > her Aunt, the adult

friends she makes, the neighbors, (the town) > >are > > > all

unhappy. They are busy with their own lives; they gripe; > >they >

> > complain. So seeing her goodness and happiness spreading >

>throughout > > > the town, makes them terribly uneasy. She

speaks the truth, yet > >it > > > iritates everyone. She might

innocently ask you "Why are you so > > > mean?" > > > > > >

But little by little, as time goes by, something amazing >

>happens. > > > The town and all its inhabitants begin to change.

They begin to > > > listen. They open their hearts up, and allow

their self to be > > > happy. They start caring about others,

instead of being self- > > > involved. They begin opening to

love. > > > > > > The opening of their hearts was first really

noticed by them > >when > > > Pollyanna fell from a tree and

was seriously hurt. Despite > >thinking > > > she was just

annoying, they began missing her goodness and the > >light > > >

she was spreading to each and every person in some little way. > >

> > > > The town gathered together towards the end to wish her

well. > >Instead > > > of sad frowning faces, she now saw

caring, loving people with > >big > > > smiles. She didn't

even know she was the cause of all this > >change! > > > But

everyone else knew. She just loved everyone. She was > >herself >

> > always. And it was her nature that was pure goodness and >

>innocence. > > > > > > ***** > > > > > > So if anyone

ever calls you a Pollyana, thank them! > > > > > > Love, > >

> xxxtg > > >

================================================================= >

> > Gee, tee gee ji, I am so glad you responded to Michael's >

>question before Tonyji took > > > a whack, I mean, attack, I

mean, crack at it!!! OK, Tony, we are > >waiting... > > > > > >

Love, > > > > > > Joyce > > > > > > ps There is a

distinct disadvantage to my now having my office > >in my home. >

> > When I had a different location to work from, > > > I had a

hard and fast rule not to look at my email there... > > > Oh well,

rules are made to be broken... > > > Hi Bhuvi :-)...some horsie

photos later just for you... > > > now back to "work" > > > >

> > pps There is another Haley Mills movie called "The Trouble >

>With Angels" where she starts out as the irreverant, troublemaking, >

>mischievous child at a girl's Catholic boarding school... > > >

she then shocks everyone, including Mother Superior played by >

>Rosalind Russell, > > > and her prankster girl partner, by

deciding to become a nun at > >the end > > > of the movie when

they graduate....great movie... > > > > >

>/join > > >

> > > >

> > > > >"Love itself is the actual

form of God." > > > >Sri Ramana > > > >In "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > > > > > >

>/join > > >

> > > >

> > > > >"Love itself is the actual

form of God." > > > >Sri Ramana > > > >In "Letters from Sri

Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > > > > >---------- >

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TEEGEE 555

I spent one whole day surrendering every possible belief, fear, and

knowledge I had. And when I couldn't think of anything else to

surrender, I surrendered that I have nothing else to surrender. Then

came a few more hours of stuff to continue to surrender. I kept doing

that, until finally I surrendered the only other thought that occurred

to me, which was to surrender that I had to surrender all this crap.

LOLPLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU EXPERIENCED AFTERWARDS

WHAT DID REALLY CHANGE IN YOURSELF DUE TO THIS WONDERFUL EFFORT DAY LONG

MICHAEL BINDEL

That whole process was interesting in itself

>"teegee555"

> >To:

> Re:

Pollyanna... was Unless challenged you don't know. >Thu, 12 Feb

2004 00:30:09 -0000 > >, "OClery"

>wrote: > > > > Yes I can quote Ramana, Nisargadatta etc chapter and

verse and I > > feel that I do have a handle on non duality. However

I won't be > > realised until it is my time, no matter what I do. >

>Hi Tony... > >That is so true. I think you said it better in

another post: > >..."Having said that the only solution is non action

through action, >nishkaarma karma and saranagathis or surrender. IMO.

It is only our >attitude to an action that provides the karma for the

next life not >the act itself, which is preordained...." > > > So I

live in the world of illusion. For as Sankara said it is real > >

whilst one is in it. It is easy to say drop this drop that drop the >

> mind etc, but if one hasn't purified the Buddhi enough this won't >

> happen. So in these discussion groups we talk relatively and > >

absolutely and mixing these apples and oranges sometimes seems a > >

little confusing. Even Ramana indicates this fact in his teachings--

> > that purification is necessary so to speak. > > >Ramana might

indicate this, but it could be taken out of context, >reinterpreted,

and turned into a belief that isn't necessarily true. >Purification

is not necessary first. If that were true, no one would >ever be

realized! And this includes Ramana! > >What exactly does your idea

of 'purification' include? Surrendering >itself is the purifier. It

waits on you, not the opposite. > > > > So we amuse ourselves on

discussion groups talking about our dream > > lives and dream

suffering and dream materialism. > > > > Unfortunately there seems to

be a direct connection between how we > > live our lives and

Realisation.........ONS...Tony > >That may seem like a fact based on

your experiences and/or knowledge, >but it is just a belief. What if

that belief was surrendered? What >if every belief you ever held

(based on your experiences and all that >wonderful knowledge in that

noggin of yours) was surrendered? > >I spent one whole day

surrendering every possible belief, fear, and >knowledge I had. And

when I couldn't think of anything else to >surrender, I surrendered

that I have nothing else to surrender. Then >came a few more hours

of stuff to continue to surrender. I kept >doing that, until finally

I surrendered the only other thought that >occurred to me, which was

to surrender that I had to surrender all >this crap. LOL > >That

whole process was interesting in itself. > >Love, >xxxtg > Tired of

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, "MICHAEL BINDEL"

<michael_bindel@h...> wrote:

>

PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU EXPERIENCED AFTERWARDS

 

 

Hi Michael...

 

Actually, I experienced nothing immediately afterwards that I recall,

as it was just part of a process I was going through. I had spent

hours and hours doing this and had come to the final surrender, only

to surrender the need to surrender. It hit me as funny.

 

MB: WHAT DID REALLY CHANGE IN YOURSELF DUE TO THIS WONDERFUL EFFORT

DAY LONG

 

 

It wasn't just this effort alone that creates change, as I saw that

all things work together.

 

For a few weeks prior, I had also been surrendering every fear and

irritation that came up in my mind during every waking hour. And I

had quite a few, so I got a lot of practice!

 

The eventual changes created was a whole new way of seeing. A whole

new way of being.

 

I am still the same person, same quirks, same problems as anyone,

same unenlightened person I've always been, but now I have this peace

within I had never experienced before previously. And the great

thing is, is knowing it's always there! Even if I'm not peaceful for

whatever reason, I just know it's there, waiting on me.

 

I never knew that before. Just knowing that makes being even more

brighter.

 

Love,

xxxtg

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Dear teegee 555

tku for your information which touches me again

why? because it reminds me how "things" happen to me nowadays

a long long unconscious and then a long long consciuous effort in many directions at the same time

whenever I did really understand something

surprisingly "things" happen around me like commanded by someone

they fall in place like a puzzle effortless

and being on the way "long" I am so grateful for this presents

of course for "the others" nothing or not much changes

what is changing is inside and thats great

try to get in touch with this state you stated

even without "necessecity"

might be the real home for you......

happy for you dear unknown friend wherever you live

be blessed by your own love

michael bindel

>"teegee555"

> >To:

> Re:

Pollyanna... was Unless challenged you don't know. >Thu, 12 Feb

2004 07:34:20 -0000 > >, "MICHAEL

BINDEL" > wrote: > > > >PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU EXPERIENCED AFTERWARDS

> > >Hi Michael... > >Actually, I experienced nothing immediately

afterwards that I recall, >as it was just part of a process I was

going through. I had spent >hours and hours doing this and had come

to the final surrender, only >to surrender the need to surrender. It

hit me as funny. > >MB: WHAT DID REALLY CHANGE IN YOURSELF DUE TO THIS

WONDERFUL EFFORT >DAY LONG > > >It wasn't just this effort alone that

creates change, as I saw that >all things work together. > >For a few

weeks prior, I had also been surrendering every fear and >irritation

that came up in my mind during every waking hour. And I >had quite a

few, so I got a lot of practice! > >The eventual changes created was

a whole new way of seeing. A whole >new way of being. > >I am still

the same person, same quirks, same problems as anyone, >same

unenlightened person I've always been, but now I have this peace

>within I had never experienced before previously. And the great

>thing is, is knowing it's always there! Even if I'm not peaceful

for >whatever reason, I just know it's there, waiting on me. > >I

never knew that before. Just knowing that makes being even more

>brighter. > >Love, >xxxtg > > > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk

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