Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 Namaste, In my experience I have found that some of the strongest egos are amongst so called spiritual seekers. It seems it is part of doing the research and reading. almost a spiritual materialism. Accruing the wealth of knowledge and knowing more than the other fellow. When I worked on building sites and on cane farms, factories etc. I found the ego of these 'working and less highly educated people', to be less than the intellectuals, spiritual or not. They seem to have a togetherness a closer oneness, unsullied by so called great knowledge and pride of accomplishment. If they did charity it wasn't thought of that way ----just helping a mate out that's all, another battler in life. They seemed to be naturally aware of a deeper oneness than many intellectuals. They were more prepared to overlook appearances, such as scruffy, raggity etc, and look to the person. And as the feet of society, they are important, for even a brain can go nowhere without the feet. This was my experience, and it helped in my own realisation that all knowledge is Avidya or nescience. I don't know whether an ego actually weakens, for when you think it is weak, it jumps up and bites you on the arse. I feel it can only be dissolved, destroyed, given up or whatever. The main problem with all we 'spiritual intellectuals', is we all think we know something, when all we are, is a bunch of clowns....ONS...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 Welcome TONY in the CLOWN CLUB thanks for your lines this feeling of togetherness depends - due to my experience - on lack of material resources as more you possess the more you want and thats the same with collecting "knowledge" when michael bindel discovered this truth in "himself" a n d at the same time due to "development" became more and more honestly humble a process of GIVING UP began during this long long process "I" accepted the fact that ONLY complete SURRENDER and complete ACCEPTANCE of everything happening to "myself" really helped me finding inner peace and happiness really a n d realized whenever I "went out" to discuss to "help" to get involved in the outseide world I startet to loose this tranquilitty and so I had and have to get rid off all "wishingexpecting" "hoping" and so on.... and this helped a lot while "my" bad consciousness grew how come you want to be a real mensch a real human being meaning to be open for everything..... and the "the last step" till now LOL michael bindel really gives up everything what means looses the feeling of being the actor of having responsibilites and due to this having guilt feelings and this worked well till now and please note I am "terrible to myself" believing nothing what I do say feel I check everything but I have to admit the following it seems to "me" that you have to have a high level of consciousness to reach this point a n d being more humble as "higher" you get and you need so it seems for "me" to have a certain level of IQ (not only intellectually) to be able to proceed and as "I" have one of the hightest possible levels they discovered it when I was 17 (due to the problems I made to my parents) the MENA CLUB invited me immedeately to be one of theris what I whitout knowing why just did not follow and missed by the chance of being very very rich and gaining material power (this must have been GRACE) sorry for having used so much time of yours but your words clown club reminded me again of a feeling I know soooo well be embraced michael bindel >"Tony OClery" > >To: > The spiritual ego, >Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:14:10 -0000 > >Namaste, > >In my experience I have found that some of the strongest egos are >amongst so called spiritual seekers. It seems it is part of doing >the research and reading. almost a spiritual materialism. Accruing >the wealth of knowledge and knowing more than the other fellow. >When I worked on building sites and on cane farms, factories etc. I >found the ego of these 'working and less highly educated people', to >be less than the intellectuals, spiritual or not. They seem to have >a togetherness a closer oneness, unsullied by so called great >knowledge and pride of accomplishment. If they did charity it wasn't >thought of that way ----just helping a mate out that's all, another >battler in life. They seemed to be naturally aware of a deeper >oneness than many intellectuals. They were more prepared to overlook >appearances, such as scruffy, raggity etc, and look to the person. >And as the feet of society, they are important, for even a brain can >go nowhere without the feet. >This was my experience, and it helped in my own realisation that all >knowledge is Avidya or nescience. I don't know whether an ego >actually weakens, for when you think it is weak, it jumps up and >bites you on the arse. I feel it can only be dissolved, destroyed, >given up or whatever. > >The main problem with all we 'spiritual intellectuals', is we all >think we know something, when all we are, is a bunch of >clowns....ONS...Tony > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > Namaste, > > In my experience I have found that some of the strongest egos are > amongst so called spiritual seekers. It seems it is part of doing > the research and reading. almost a spiritual materialism. Accruing > the wealth of knowledge and knowing more than the other fellow. > When I worked on building sites and on cane farms, factories etc. I > found the ego of these 'working and less highly educated people', to > be less than the intellectuals, spiritual or not. They seem to have > a togetherness a closer oneness, unsullied by so called great > knowledge and pride of accomplishment. If they did charity it wasn't > thought of that way ----just helping a mate out that's all, another > battler in life. They seemed to be naturally aware of a deeper > oneness than many intellectuals. They were more prepared to overlook > appearances, such as scruffy, raggity etc, and look to the person. > And as the feet of society, they are important, for even a brain can > go nowhere without the feet. > This was my experience, and it helped in my own realisation that all > knowledge is Avidya or nescience. I don't know whether an ego > actually weakens, for when you think it is weak, it jumps up and > bites you on the arse. I feel it can only be dissolved, destroyed, > given up or whatever. > > The main problem with all we 'spiritual intellectuals', is we all > think we know something, when all we are, is a bunch of > clowns....ONS...Tony IMO, the ego, big/small, spiritual/common, intellectual/ignorant, is not the problem at all but is actually an oportunity and invitation for us to find out who/what we really are. while our mistaken identification with some ego seems to be blocking us from realization, the false/illusary/mind-made ego/person we have taken ourselves to be can and does lead us back to our true identity by finally becoming the most unbearable, distasteful, annoying, frightening, hopeless, sickening, etc. thing in life and, as with Ramana, paves the way for self-realization by forcing us to leave it (the ego), stop believing in it, or search for something - anything - better than this little, unsatisfactory, hurtful, boring, maddening, dying, etc. egoic self we have been for ever so long. While it's fun, enjoyable, spiritual, pleasant, interesting, exciting, etc. we are not very likely to wish to give up being an ego and participating in its/our adventures. Our little false self can become something less than fun tho and help us turn from it to find the real self we left behind while engaging in our false ego/personal drama. re: "The main problem with all we 'spiritual intellectuals', is we all > think we know something, when all we are, is a bunch of > clowns...." IMO, all we are is the Self imagining itself to be a bunch of clowns, spiritual intellectuals, and whatever else you have taken yourself to be while lost in your not-self dreams. IMO, our main problem is that we have mistakenly taken our self to be what we are not - even tho it's been fun sometimes. jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2004 Report Share Posted February 12, 2004 --- jim rich <jimnirene wrote: > , "Tony OClery" > <aoclery> > wrote: > > Namaste, > > SNIP > > The main problem with all we 'spiritual > intellectuals', is we all > > think we know something, when all we are, is a > bunch of > > clowns....ONS...Tony > > IMO, all we are is the Self imagining itself to be a > bunch of clowns, > spiritual intellectuals, and whatever else you have > taken yourself to > be while lost in your not-self dreams. IMO, our > main problem is that > we have mistakenly taken our self to be what we are > not - even tho > it's been fun sometimes. > > jim > I think clowns are fun, whereas I think a lot of nondual "wanabees" are boring as hell. michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2004 Report Share Posted February 12, 2004 , Michael Bowes <rmichaelbowes> wrote: > > --- jim rich <jimnirene@a...> wrote: > > , "Tony OClery" > > <aoclery> > > wrote: > > > Namaste, > > > > SNIP > > > > The main problem with all we 'spiritual > > intellectuals', is we all > > > think we know something, when all we are, is a > > bunch of > > > clowns....ONS...Tony > > > > > IMO, all we are is the Self imagining itself to be a > > bunch of clowns, > > spiritual intellectuals, and whatever else you have > > taken yourself to > > be while lost in your not-self dreams. IMO, our > > main problem is that > > we have mistakenly taken our self to be what we are > > not - even tho > > it's been fun sometimes. > > > > jim > > > > I think clowns are fun, whereas I think a lot of > nondual "wanabees" are boring as hell. > > michael Namaste, Yes there are many verbal non dualists--I call them vindists!...ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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