abiding and depression

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--- Long time ago and far away (in cyberspace terms)

 

Hur Guler wrote to Melody:

 

Your posting was particularly difficult because our

spiritually arrogant mind tells us that the nondual

understanding is supposed to give us freedom from

suffering. this is the ultimate test. after all the

superstar gurus seem to be so "free." who wants to be

an intelligent failure in the enlightenment game? i

noticed you're fond of osho. it's not a secret that

he was on certain meds. perhaps the enduring

dishonesty of the eastern tradition is that they don't

tell us that some of the enlightened masters could

have been abiding in depression part of the time and

that this is not a failure but "being human."

 

hur

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Although Hur was not writing to me, I responded as

below:

 

Dear Hur,

 

Terms such as depression, etc., are modern terms.

Prozac and other meds are relatively recent, I

believe.

 

You may be interested in knowing that Sri Ramana did

once equate Self-Realization with madness. The Sage of

Arunachala stated that the difference between a Jnani

and a madman is that the Jnani does not resist his

madness! :-). So yes, the great sages are crazy, and

they really like it! :-). :-). :-).

 

Dan wrote a brilliant piece on HS on certain gurus

like Osho, Krishnamurti, Adi Da who have emphasized

their specialness. It was quite clear, funny, and

insightful, I thought.

 

I wish you well Hur. Ultimately, it seems to me that

whether the eastern tradition or the western tradition

or the gurus are dishonest or on prozac or valium or

whatever is not relevant. What is relevant is our own

honesty with knowing where we are and not being

distracted.

 

Lots of love

Harsha

 

 

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Dear Harsha,

Where exactly can we find this article? Could you post a link please?

Yours,

Ben.

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Harsha

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Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:25 PM

abiding and depression

Oldie but goodie!**********************--- Long time ago and far away

(in cyberspace terms)Hur Guler wrote to Melody:Your posting was

particularly difficult because ourspiritually arrogant mind tells us

that the nondualunderstanding is supposed to give us freedom

fromsuffering. this is the ultimate test. after all thesuperstar

gurus seem to be so "free." who wants to bean intelligent failure in

the enlightenment game? inoticed you're fond of osho. it's not a

secret thathe was on certain meds. perhaps the enduringdishonesty of

the eastern tradition is that they don'ttell us that some of the

enlightened masters couldhave been abiding in depression part of the

time andthat this is not a failure but "being human." hur

*************** Although Hur was not writing to me, I responded

asbelow:Dear Hur, Terms such as depression, etc., are modern

terms.Prozac and other meds are relatively recent, Ibelieve.You may

be interested in knowing that Sri Ramana didonce equate

Self-Realization with madness. The Sage ofArunachala stated that the

difference between a Jnaniand a madman is that the Jnani does not

resist hismadness! :-). So yes, the great sages are crazy, andthey

really like it! :-). :-). :-).Dan wrote a brilliant piece on HS on

certain guruslike Osho, Krishnamurti, Adi Da who have emphasizedtheir

specialness. It was quite clear, funny, andinsightful, I thought.I

wish you well Hur. Ultimately, it seems to me thatwhether the eastern

tradition or the western traditionor the gurus are dishonest or on

prozac or valium orwhatever is not relevant. What is relevant is our

ownhonesty with knowing where we are and not beingdistracted.Lots of

loveHarsha=====/join

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