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, "viorica weissman"

<viorica@z...> wrote:

> Hi Tony,

>

> in this world of teachers there will always be those pointing to

> other teachers' teaching as not coming from the true teacher;

>

>

> Q. Baba says he is an avatar (incarnation). Is that true?

>

> Maharshi: What have I to say? This is a question that seekers

after

> truth need not consider. People that are on the lower rungs of the

> ladder waste their energies over such questions. Everyone is an

> avatar of God. One who knows the truth sees God in every face and

> everyone else as a manifestation of God.

>

> (from Conscious Immortality)

>

> I don't think that one who knows the truth will criticize another

> teacher; I don't think one who knows the truth will lead anyone

> to waste energies over such questions, such as who is and who is

not

> a teacher. Once I used to waste time like that, now I know that

> one can learn from everything.

>

>

> , "Tony OClery"

<aoclery>

> wrote:

> > Namaste All,

> > Reading from Harsha posting Dan's post on the last days of

> > Krishnamurti, where he said he had wasted his life for all this

> > teachings were just entertainment, kind of like this group.

> > I penned these thoughts or ideas or whatevers.

> >

> > Sentimentality is not sensitivity,

> > Attachment is not love,

> > Entertainment is not teaching,

> > condescension is not charity,

> > patronisation is not assistance,

> > grief is not loss of love,

> > ahimsa leads to non activity,

> > non activity is realisation,

> > If you can find a reason for love---it isn't.....ONS...Tony.

 

Namaste Vicki,

 

I don't think anyone was criticising any teacher, I wasn't and I

don't think Dan's post on Krishnamurthi was either. JK was saying

that most of the people that listened to him were actually being

entertained, that's all. He probably meant he should have worked on

his own realisation rather than the entertainment of so many.

As Jesus said pearls before swine, or the old Irish saying no point

in feeding strawberries to pigs.hahahahah. The nature of these lists

is entertainment and diversion, and one can see by the posts that

people are doing exactly that. It is mostly spiritual materialism

and diversion/entertainment. The only saving grace of these lists is

that they make people think of the spiritual rather than the mundane

for a short while, all part of concentration--------and that's it

IMO. Most display in later posts that they have learned nothing from

earlier posts..........ONS...Tony

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Perhaps such teachings (including the deliberations in our group) have

entertainment value for many but for a sincere 'sadhaka' its an

eyeopener.......Love & OmTony OClery <aoclery > wrote:

Namaste All,Reading from Harsha posting Dan's post on the last days of

Krishnamurti, where he said he had wasted his life for all this

teachings were just entertainment, kind of like this group.I penned

these thoughts or ideas or whatevers.Sentimentality is not

sensitivity,Attachment is not love,Entertainment is not

teaching,condescension is not charity,patronisation is not

assistance,grief is not loss of love,ahimsa leads to non activity,

non activity is realisation,If you can find a reason for love---it

isn't.....ONS...Tony./join

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Tony OClery <aoclery wrote:

Namaste All,

Reading from Harsha posting Dan's post on the last days of

Krishnamurti, where he said he had wasted his life for all this

teachings were just entertainment, kind of like this group.

I penned these thoughts or ideas or whatevers.

 

Sentimentality is not sensitivity,

Attachment is not love,

Entertainment is not teaching,

condescension is not charity,

patronisation is not assistance,

grief is not loss of love,

ahimsa leads to non activity,

non activity is realisation,

If you can find a reason for love---it isn't.....ONS...Tony.

 

================================================

 

Dear Tony,

Perhaps such teachings (including the deliberations in our group) have

entertainment value for many but for a sincere 'sadhaka' its an

eyeopener.......Love & Om

==========================================

 

Yes, and for some, a Heart opener...

 

You know what I think, Doraji? I think TonyO just wrote

this as a diversion and to stimulate "discussion."

After all, this is a discussion group...and to quote him :-)

 

"The nature of these lists is entertainment and diversion,

and one can see by the posts that

people are doing exactly that. It is mostly spiritual materialism

and diversion/entertainment. The only saving grace of these lists is

that they make people think of the spiritual rather than the mundane

for a short while, all part of concentration--------and that's it

IMO. Most display in later posts that they have learned nothing from

earlier posts.........."ONS...

Most display in later posts that they have learned nothing from

earlier posts

Most display in later posts that they have learned nothing from

earlier posts

Most display in later posts that they have learned nothing from

earlier posts

Most display in later posts that they have learned nothing from

earlier posts

Most display in later posts that they have learned nothing from

earlier posts

Most display in later posts that they have learned nothing from

earlier posts

Most display in later posts that they have learned nothing from

earlier posts

 

Oops, sorry, my copy command got stuck :-)

And so it goes...entertainment, diversion, and

Tont rests his case :-)

 

Well, TonyO, I am glad to know

that these lists help divert you from

doing an online search to see how many

people did online searches looking for

Janet Jackson's boob.

 

Love,

 

Joyce

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Dear

please help

whats IMS OMS ?????

who is not ready to learn thru others is not living at least thats

what michael bindel feels

yours with due and honest respect

michael

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Lady Joyce

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 3:15 AM

Re: Is and not Is

Tony OClery <aoclery > wrote:Namaste All,Reading from Harsha

posting Dan's post on the last days ofKrishnamurti, where he said he

had wasted his life for all thisteachings were just entertainment,

kind of like this group.I penned these thoughts or ideas or

whatevers.Sentimentality is not sensitivity,Attachment is not

love,Entertainment is not teaching,condescension is not

charity,patronisation is not assistance,grief is not loss of

love,ahimsa leads to non activity,non activity is realisation,If you

can find a reason for love---it

isn't.....ONS...Tony.================================================Dear

Tony,Perhaps such teachings (including the deliberations in our group)

haveentertainment value for many but for a sincere 'sadhaka' its

aneyeopener.......Love &

Om==========================================Yes, and for some, a

Heart opener...You know what I think, Doraji? I think TonyO just

wrotethis as a diversion and to stimulate "discussion."After all,

this is a discussion group...and to quote him :-)"The nature of these

lists is entertainment and diversion, and one can see by the posts

thatpeople are doing exactly that. It is mostly spiritual

materialismand diversion/entertainment. The only saving grace of

these lists isthat they make people think of the spiritual rather

than the mundanefor a short while, all part of

concentration--------and that's itIMO. Most display in later posts

that they have learned nothing fromearlier

posts.........."ONS...TonyMost display in later posts that they have

learned nothing fromearlier postsMost display in later posts that

they have learned nothing fromearlier postsMost display in later

posts that they have learned nothing fromearlier postsMost display in

later posts that they have learned nothing fromearlier postsMost

display in later posts that they have learned nothing fromearlier

postsMost display in later posts that they have learned nothing

fromearlier postsMost display in later posts that they have learned

nothing fromearlier postsOops, sorry, my copy command got stuck

:-)And so it goes...entertainment, diversion, andTont rests his case

:-)Well, TonyO, I am glad to knowthat these lists help divert you

fromdoing an online search to see how manypeople did online searches

looking forJanet Jackson's

boob.Love,Joyce/join

"Love itself is

the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam"

by Suri Nagamma

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, "Lady Joyce" <shaantih@c...>

wrote:

> Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote:

> Namaste All,

> Reading from Harsha posting Dan's post on the last days of

> Krishnamurti, where he said he had wasted his life for all this

> teachings were just entertainment, kind of like this group.

> I penned these thoughts or ideas or whatevers.

>

> Sentimentality is not sensitivity,

> Attachment is not love,

> Entertainment is not teaching,

> condescension is not charity,

> patronisation is not assistance,

> grief is not loss of love,

> ahimsa leads to non activity,

> non activity is realisation,

> If you can find a reason for love---it isn't.....ONS...Tony.

>

> ================================================

>

> Dear Tony,

> Perhaps such teachings (including the deliberations in our group)

have

> entertainment value for many but for a sincere 'sadhaka' its an

> eyeopener.......Love & Om

> ==========================================

>

> Yes, and for some, a Heart opener...

>

> You know what I think, Doraji? I think TonyO just wrote

> this as a diversion and to stimulate "discussion."

> After all, this is a discussion group...and to quote him :-)

>

> "The nature of these lists is entertainment and diversion,

> and one can see by the posts that

> people are doing exactly that. It is mostly spiritual materialism

> and diversion/entertainment. The only saving grace of these lists

is

> that they make people think of the spiritual rather than the

mundane

> for a short while, all part of concentration--------and that's it

> IMO. Most display in later posts that they have learned nothing

from

> earlier posts.........."ONS...>

> Most display in later posts that they have learned nothing from

> earlier posts

> Most display in later posts that they have learned nothing from

> earlier posts

> Most display in later posts that they have learned nothing from

> earlier posts

> Most display in later posts that they have learned nothing from

> earlier posts

> Most display in later posts that they have learned nothing from

> earlier posts

> Most display in later posts that they have learned nothing from

> earlier posts

> Most display in later posts that they have learned nothing from

> earlier posts

>

> Oops, sorry, my copy command got stuck :-)

> And so it goes...entertainment, diversion, and

> Tont rests his case :-)

>

> Well, TonyO, I am glad to know

> that these lists help divert you from

> doing an online search to see how many

> people did online searches looking for

> Janet Jackson's boob.

>

> Love,

>

> Joyce

 

Namaste J'

 

An entertaining post........ONS..Tony but to whom?

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Reading from Harsha posting Dan's post on the last days of>

Krishnamurti, where he said he had wasted his life for all this>

teachings were just entertainment, kind of like this group.> I penned

these thoughts or ideas or whatevers.

========================================== > "The nature of these

lists is entertainment and diversion, > and one can see by the posts

that> people are doing exactly that. It is mostly spiritual

materialism> and diversion/entertainment. The only saving grace of

these lists is> that they make people think of the spiritual rather

than the mundane> for a short while, all part of

concentration--------and that's it> IMO. Most display in later posts

that they have learned nothing from> earlier

posts.........."ONS...Tony> > Most display in later posts that they

have learned nothing from> earlier posts> Most display in later posts

that they have learned nothing from> earlier posts> Most display in

later posts that they have learned nothing from> earlier posts> Most

display in later posts that they have learned nothing from> earlier

posts> Most display in later posts that they have learned nothing

from> earlier posts> Most display in later posts that they have

learned nothing from> earlier posts> Most display in later posts that

they have learned nothing from> earlier posts> > Oops, sorry, my copy

command got stuck :-)> And so it goes...entertainment, diversion,

and> Tont rests his case :-)> > Well, TonyO, I am glad to know> that

these lists help divert you from> doing an online search to see how

many> people did online searches looking for> Janet Jackson's boob.>

> Love,> > JoyceNamaste J'An entertaining post........ONS..Tony but

to whom?

=================================================

Namaste Tony,

I rest my case:-)

Love,

Joyce

ps Who is asking the question?

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, "Tony OClery"

<aoclery> wrote:

> Sentimentality is not sensitivity,

> Attachment is not love,

> Entertainment is not teaching,

> condescension is not charity,

> patronisation is not assistance,

> grief is not loss of love,

> ahimsa leads to non activity,

> non activity is realisation,

> If you can find a reason for love---it isn't.....ONS...Tony.

 

==================

 

This not that, this not that, this not that...lol

 

The trouble the mind makes!

 

Stir it up faster Tony, maybe you'll feel the still center by contrast.

Chaotic meditaton anyone? ugh-ugh-ugh-ugh

 

~Shawn

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--- Shawn Hair <shawn wrote:

> This not that, this not that, this not that...lol

>

> The trouble the mind makes!

>

> Stir it up faster Tony, maybe you'll feel the still

> center by contrast.

> Chaotic meditaton anyone? ugh-ugh-ugh-ugh

>

> ~Shawn

**********************

Hawaii, Hawaii, the sun. Shawn, you might be

interested being in Hawaii.

 

In the next issue of the HS Mag, we will have an

interview with a man who absorbs energy from the sun

and eats very little.

 

We are coming to Hawaii Shawn (at some point :-). We

will give you six months notice!

 

Love,

Harsha

 

 

 

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, "Michael Bindel"

<michaelbindel@t...> wrote:

> Dear >

> please help

>

> whats IMS OMS ?????

>

> who is not ready to learn thru others is not living at least

thats what michael bindel feels

>

> yours with due and honest respect

>

> michael

 

Namaste,

 

IMO is in my opinion. ONS is Om Namah Sivaya...........Tony

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, "Shawn Hair" <shawn@w...>

wrote:

> , "Tony OClery"

> <aoclery> wrote:

>

> > Sentimentality is not sensitivity,

> > Attachment is not love,

> > Entertainment is not teaching,

> > condescension is not charity,

> > patronisation is not assistance,

> > grief is not loss of love,

> > ahimsa leads to non activity,

> > non activity is realisation,

> > If you can find a reason for love---it isn't.....ONS...Tony.

>

> ==================

>

> This not that, this not that, this not that...lol

>

> The trouble the mind makes!

>

> Stir it up faster Tony, maybe you'll feel the still center by

contrast.

> Chaotic meditaton anyone? ugh-ugh-ugh-ugh

>

> ~Shawn

 

Namaste Shawn,

 

One finds on the literature of many saints, that a certain churning

occurs. Vivekananda was forever physically weakened by his churning.

It is painful and a grief period for people to let go of their

favourite ideas and concepts, for they have built their mind on them.

So although Ramana advises Who am I. Ko-Ham he also indicates a

certain amount of maturity and purification is necessary to reach

the level of awareness to do that.

Most people make the most progress from a period of suffering or

chaos in their lives.

Westerners by nature are rajasic and more suitable to some action

before meditation proper.

Being a Vndist does not do anything.....Verbal non dualist, that is.

However my post was pointing out my own feelings, if you consider it

to be chaotic meditation, perhaps it will help

you. ..........ONS...Tony.

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Dear Tony,

 

how right you are about suffering and spiritual progress. Even after

spontaneous samadhi at first hearing about Ramana's teaching, it took

another couple of years and intense suffering to turn my mind to

serious sadhana. The same seems to be the case for many sadhakas.

 

Sincerely,

 

Christina

 

 

>

> Namaste Shawn,

>

> One finds on the literature of many saints, that a certain churning

> occurs. Vivekananda was forever physically weakened by his churning.

> It is painful and a grief period for people to let go of their

> favourite ideas and concepts, for they have built their mind on them.

> So although Ramana advises Who am I. Ko-Ham he also indicates a

> certain amount of maturity and purification is necessary to reach

> the level of awareness to do that.

> Most people make the most progress from a period of suffering or

> chaos in their lives.

> Westerners by nature are rajasic and more suitable to some action

> before meditation proper.

> Being a Vndist does not do anything.....Verbal non dualist, that is.

> However my post was pointing out my own feelings, if you consider it

> to be chaotic meditation, perhaps it will help

> you. ..........ONS...Tony.

>

>

>

> /join

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> "Love itself is the actual form of God."

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> Sri Ramana

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> In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

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, Harsha

<harshaimtm> wrote:

> Hawaii, Hawaii, the sun. Shawn, you might be

> interested being in Hawaii.

>

> In the next issue of the HS Mag, we will have an

> interview with a man who absorbs energy from the sun

> and eats very little.

 

===============

 

I *thought* it was a little cooler than usual.

 

==========================

> We are coming to Hawaii Shawn (at some point :-). We

> will give you six months notice!

>

> Love,

> Harsha

=========================

 

Good, that'll give me time to vacumn.

 

love to you Harshaji.

 

~Shawn

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