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thank you "charlesdecapo" or t.t.

by the way what does t.t. stand for?

"weird experience": wonderful IT IS

"teaching": Ramana was giving himself not "teaching"

because teaching means "two"

"emptiness" full of void IT IS

this is it at least what michael bindel experiences as REAL

and everything else is for "me" therefore a "dream" and not "real"

is really a wonderful "tool" "help" because it stops "get sucked

into useless states of mind" and therefore is like the light in the

darkness

better I cannot express it

"stillness and peace" THATS IT

staying in IT thats IT

"falling outside" "normal" but always kind of suffering afterwards

so what for?????

like you stated its "hard" to descirbe for me its undescribable

and I had to accept after long silly struggles inside my ego if

someone has not experienced this he she cannot follow......

it just came into my mind watching cats totally relaxed is a great

real teacher for michael bindel

this complete peace I cannot "produce" myself IT comes and goes

b u t as more I really live what I am sure of the more often it

comes and the longer it stays

light experiences like you stated and "I" experience myself (than everything is cystal clear blue)

are sensations and okay for "me" like a sign of its okay....

sorry for commented your honest and straightforward comments

thanks again for your sharing this

with inner happiness and laughter

LOL

michael bindel

>"charlesdecapo"

> >To:

> Entering

the endless void...what is this? >Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:12:07

-0000 > >Namaste, > >Since I first came across the teachings of

Ramana Maharshi, >Nisargadatta and other great Advaita

teachers...I've been >having this weird experience often. Very often

in meditation or in a >sleep I wake up into this state of

emptiness...it's kind of void with >full of life and energy. It's

very hard to describe this... >...This experience of the void

sometimes even stays in the background >in the waking state...it's

kind of inner stillness and peace. >Sometimes it's a very intense

experience...Thoughts usually subside >completely for a moment...or

slows down and stays on the surface. >It seems that I can't produce

this state with my own effort. >It comes and goes on it's own...When

it's not so intense I sometimes >might see this spiraling circle of

golden yellow light inside my >head..? > >Om shanti, > >-T.T. > > >

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Hi T.T.:

 

 

, "charlesdecapo"

<charlesdecapo208@h...> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> Since I first came across the teachings of Ramana Maharshi,

> Nisargadatta and other great Advaita teachers...I've been

> having this weird experience often. Very often in meditation or in

a

> sleep I wake up into this state of emptiness...it's kind of void

with

> full of life and energy. It's very hard to describe this...

> ...This experience of the void sometimes even stays in the

background

> in the waking state...it's kind of inner stillness and peace.

 

It's just my opinion of your experience but, it sounds to me like

you, a separate egoic imagined person, are comming into contact with

your real self: void, stillness, peace, emptiness, life & energy,

etc. Seen from the perspective of a "person" your real self

seems/feels like you describe. The key to all those experiences is

to eventually be and stay as the void, emptiness, etc. while viewing

your personal false self as something other than & separate from

you. I'd guess you are very close to making the magic transition

from a limited, littel person to the thing you are noticing and

experiencing which is you yourself and not that little separate false

self you've believeed in since early childhood.

 

> Sometimes it's a very intense experience...Thoughts usually subside

> completely for a moment...or slows down and stays on the surface.

> It seems that I can't produce this state with my own effort.

> It comes and goes on it's own...When it's not so intense I sometimes

> might see this spiraling circle of golden yellow light inside my

> head..?

 

It may not be very long now when you will become the thing you are

describing to us and realize that THAT is the real you while the

person/ego/individual who is now seeing all these things is not you -

never was - and not even real! It will be a wonderful event when you

become yourself again instead of the little person you now think you

are who is having interesting experiences.

 

blessings,

 

jim

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Dear Jim and TT

Jim please be on guard really

what Jim described is so wonderful and a good very good stepping stone.....

what you are telling him be carefull might be your "wonderful illusion"

why

because living the state you described for TT excludes "automatically" that what you stated

of course I might be wrong but I feel it thru and thru that its true

Please Jim be not offended by what I stated

michael just wanted to assist TT

what he experienced is great and of course a "beginning"

b u t remembering the taste of what he experienced might help him a

lot at least that is the way it worked and works with michael

great to hear from both of you

michael bindel

>"jim rich"

> >To:

> Re:

Entering the endless void...what is this? >Wed, 18 Feb 2004

07:45:08 -0000 > >Hi T.T.: > > >--- In

, "charlesdecapo" > wrote: > > Namaste,

> > > > Since I first came across the teachings of Ramana Maharshi, >

> Nisargadatta and other great Advaita teachers...I've been > >

having this weird experience often. Very often in meditation or in >a

> > sleep I wake up into this state of emptiness...it's kind of void

>with > > full of life and energy. It's very hard to describe this...

> > ...This experience of the void sometimes even stays in the

>background > > in the waking state...it's kind of inner stillness

and peace. > >It's just my opinion of your experience but, it sounds

to me like >you, a separate egoic imagined person, are comming into

contact with >your real self: void, stillness, peace, emptiness, life

& energy, >etc. Seen from the perspective of a "person" your real

self >seems/feels like you describe. The key to all those

experiences is >to eventually be and stay as the void, emptiness,

etc. while viewing >your personal false self as something other than

& separate from >you. I'd guess you are very close to making the

magic transition >from a limited, littel person to the thing you are

noticing and >experiencing which is you yourself and not that little

separate false >self you've believeed in since early childhood. > > >

> Sometimes it's a very intense experience...Thoughts usually subside

> > completely for a moment...or slows down and stays on the surface.

> > It seems that I can't produce this state with my own effort. > >

It comes and goes on it's own...When it's not so intense I sometimes

> > might see this spiraling circle of golden yellow light inside my

> > head..? > >It may not be very long now when you will become the

thing you are >describing to us and realize that THAT is the real you

while the >person/ego/individual who is now seeing all these things is

not you - >never was - and not even real! It will be a wonderful

event when you >become yourself again instead of the little person

you now think you >are who is having interesting experiences. >

>blessings, > >jim > > > > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail

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, "charlesdecapo"

<charlesdecapo208@h...> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> Since I first came across the teachings of Ramana Maharshi,

> Nisargadatta and other great Advaita teachers...I've been

> having this weird experience often. Very often in meditation or in

a

> sleep I wake up into this state of emptiness...it's kind of void

with

> full of life and energy. It's very hard to describe this...

> ...This experience of the void sometimes even stays in the

background

> in the waking state...it's kind of inner stillness and peace.

> Sometimes it's a very intense experience...Thoughts usually subside

> completely for a moment...or slows down and stays on the surface.

> It seems that I can't produce this state with my own effort.

> It comes and goes on it's own...When it's not so intense I

sometimes

> might see this spiraling circle of golden yellow light inside my

> head..?

>

> Om shanti,

>

> -T.T.

 

Namaste,

 

Pardon me for analysing your experience. First of all there is the

feeling of 'I' so you are still experiencing. Secondly you are

seeing manifestations of light so the 'I' is still experiencing. You

are in some kind of dream state.

When I first started meditation many years ago, there were many

experiences and this is normal when one is reorganising one's mind

at the subconscious level. Sometimes there are bursts of cleansing

prana aka kundalini etc. These subside as purification progresses.

 

I remember one frightening experience that I had in those early

days. I was meditating or preparing to and I ended up in a void

state with no thought except the feeling of my own little I. I was

startled and came out of it quickly in case I became stuck there.

There is a void plane in progressing through or before the astral

states it seems. This may be the River Styx of the dead before the

second death. Anyway it only happened once, as an impediment and was

eventually overcome by an even more acute experience, of going up

through all the states to the 'no memory state'.

The true void has no experiencer or memory........ONS...Tony

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