Guest guest Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > However my post was pointing out my own feelings, if you consider it > to be chaotic meditation, perhaps it will help > you. ..........ONS...Tony. ===================== lol - I consider it to be a lot of judgement. That is all. Don't ask the mind. Everything is fine before you think about it. Your feelings are not you. You cannot get rid of them. See them in the moment as not you and you are free. ===================== > > Sentimentality is not sensitivity, sentimentality is loving attatchment to the past ========================== > > Attachment is not love, Devotion is attatchment and love. ============================= > > Entertainment is not teaching, I learn wherever i go, anything can be a teacher. ============================ > > condescension is not charity, It is if they give you something that stops your suffering. ===================== > > patronisation is not assistance, I am very patriotic and never assist people. (a joke) ==================== > > grief is not loss of love, Loss of a loved one. ====================== > > ahimsa leads to non activity, Nothing leads to nonactivity, just don't move. )))))) ================= > > non activity is realisation, ......or sleep. ============== > > If you can find a reason for love---it isn't.....ONS...Tony. If you can only find one, then you are selfish, but that's a good place to start. > ================== Sometimes what we think we see in the world is only a reflection of ourselves. I take it you, Tony, you are a half-empty kind of guy. (glass half full or empty) )))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 , "Shawn Hair" <shawn@w...> wrote: > , "Tony OClery" > <aoclery> wrote: > > > However my post was pointing out my own feelings, if you > consider it > > to be chaotic meditation, perhaps it will help > > you. ..........ONS...Tony. > > ===================== > > > lol - I consider it to be a lot of judgement. That is all. > > Don't ask the mind. > > Everything is fine before you think about it. > > Your feelings are not you. You cannot get rid of them. > > See them in the moment as not you and you are free. > > ===================== > > > Sentimentality is not sensitivity, > > sentimentality is loving attatchment to the past > ========================== > > > > Attachment is not love, > > Devotion is attatchment and love. > ============================= > > > > > Entertainment is not teaching, > > I learn wherever i go, anything can be a teacher. > ============================ > > > > condescension is not charity, > > It is if they give you something that stops your suffering. > > ===================== > > > patronisation is not assistance, > > I am very patriotic and never assist people. (a joke) > > ==================== > > > > grief is not loss of love, > > Loss of a loved one. > > ====================== > > > > ahimsa leads to non activity, > > Nothing leads to nonactivity, just don't move. )))))) > > ================= > > > non activity is realisation, > > .....or sleep. > > ============== > > > > If you can find a reason for love---it isn't.....ONS...Tony. > > > If you can only find one, then you are selfish, but that's a good > place to start. > > > ================== > > Sometimes what we think we see in the world is only a reflection > of ourselves. > > I take it you, Tony, you are a half-empty kind of guy. (glass half > full or empty) > > )))))))Shawn Namaste Shawn, I made no judgements quite the contrary actually. I think the problem here is your understanding of the English language is different from mine. Sentimentality to me has nothing to do with past events that's nostalgia. Devotion is attachment that may or may or not become Love. If it doesn't become love then it isn't devotion or bhakti. Entertainment--you didnt provide an answer really. Your answer on grief indicates that you missed the point that love and attachment are not the same, and grief is really a self indulgence for nobody dies. Condescension can never be charity for charity should be nishkarma karma. You didn't get my point on entertainment either. It was actually J Krishnamurthi's point. You didn't understand my point on the relationship between Ahimsa and inactivity/realisation. You didn't understand that if there has to be a reason for love--it isn't. For love is the Sakti and is everything. In fact the problem may not be English at all, but my couching in Vedantic ideas, which you may not be au fait with. However I don't have the inclination to argue semantics with you. Hope this explains it a little better than my one liners..............ONS..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: <snip> =========================== > Namaste Shawn, > > I made no judgements quite the contrary actually. ======================== Ah ha! There's a word for ya ........ ===================== > I think the problem here is your understanding of the English > language is different from mine. Sentimentality to me has nothing to > do with past events that's nostalgia. Devotion is attachment that > may or may or not become Love. If it doesn't become love then it > isn't devotion or bhakti. ====================== Forgive me if i disagree. You see, I see that all reactive emotions are nothing but love in disguise. ======================= Entertainment--you didnt provide an answer > really. Who can? =========================== Your answer on grief indicates that you missed the point > that love and attachment are not the same, and grief is really a > self indulgence for nobody dies. This is a concept you have that no one dies. ++++++++++++++========== Condescension can never be charity > for charity should be nishkarma karma. You didn't get my point on > entertainment either. It was actually J Krishnamurthi's point. You > didn't understand my point on the relationship between Ahimsa and > inactivity/realisation. You didn't understand that if there has to > be a reason for love--it isn't. For love is the Sakti and is > everything. Thanks for making my point- so sentamentality is LOVE condescention is LOVE grief is Love ,etc..... So everything is a reason because it IS LOVE ITSELF.... what a relief.. thank you, ~Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 - Tony OClery Wednesday, February 18, 2004 9:50 PM Re: contrariness-is that a word? > I made no judgements quite the contrary actually.> I think the problem here is your understanding of the English > language is different from mine. Sentimentality to me has nothing to > do with past events that's nostalgia. Devotion is attachment that > may or may or not become Love. If it doesn't become love then it > isn't devotion or bhakti. Entertainment--you didnt provide an answer > really. Your answer on grief indicates that you missed the point > that love and attachment are not the same, and grief is really a > self indulgence for nobody dies. Condescension can never be charity > for charity should be nishkarma karma. You didn't get my point on > entertainment either. It was actually J Krishnamurthi's point. You > didn't understand my point on the relationship between Ahimsa and > inactivity/realisation. You didn't understand that if there has to > be a reason for love--it isn't. For love is the Sakti and is > everything.> In fact the problem may not be English at all, but my couching in > Vedantic ideas, which you may not be au fait with. However I don't > have the inclination to argue semantics with you. Hope this explains > it a little better than my one liners..............ONS..TonyI thought being Irish could be moving beyond semantics : ) To those not wanting to find? the meaning of words like contransmagnificandjewbangtantiality here is a link http://www.bway.net/~hunger/ch1-ulys.html Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 , "Shawn Hair" <shawn@w...> wrote: > , "Tony OClery" > <aoclery> wrote: > <snip> > =========================== > > Namaste Shawn, > > > > I made no judgements quite the contrary actually. > > ======================== > > Ah ha! There's a word for ya ........ > > ===================== > > > I think the problem here is your understanding of the English > > language is different from mine. Sentimentality to me has > nothing to > > do with past events that's nostalgia. Devotion is attachment > that > > may or may or not become Love. If it doesn't become love then > it > > isn't devotion or bhakti. > > ====================== > > Forgive me if i disagree. You see, I see that all reactive > emotions are nothing but love in disguise. > > ======================= > Entertainment--you didnt provide an answer > > really. > > Who can? > =========================== > > Your answer on grief indicates that you missed the point > > that love and attachment are not the same, and grief is really a > > self indulgence for nobody dies. > > This is a concept you have that no one dies. > > ++++++++++++++========== > > Condescension can never be charity > > for charity should be nishkarma karma. You didn't get my point > on > > entertainment either. It was actually J Krishnamurthi's point. > You > > didn't understand my point on the relationship between > Ahimsa and > > inactivity/realisation. You didn't understand that if there has to > > be a reason for love--it isn't. For love is the Sakti and is > > everything. > > > Thanks for making my point- so sentamentality is LOVE > condescention is LOVE > grief is Love ,etc..... > So everything is a reason because it IS LOVE ITSELF.... > > what a relief.. > > thank you, > > ~Shawn Namaste, Ultimately for the realised soul everything is Love, however without that Moksha we have to deal with a certain validity. Otherwise it is just vndism..........ONS..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Congratulations Tony. :-) You've got it all figured out. You've reduced the infinite to the shapes and patterns that then emerge from your mind. Regards, michael --- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: > , "Shawn Hair" > <shawn@w...> > wrote: > > , "Tony > OClery" > > <aoclery> wrote: > > <snip> > > =========================== > > > Namaste Shawn, > > > > > > I made no judgements quite the contrary > actually. > > > > ======================== > > > > Ah ha! There's a word for ya ........ > > > > ===================== > > > > > I think the problem here is your understanding > of the English > > > language is different from mine. Sentimentality > to me has > > nothing to > > > do with past events that's nostalgia. Devotion > is attachment > > that > > > may or may or not become Love. If it doesn't > become love then > > it > > > isn't devotion or bhakti. > > > > ====================== > > > > Forgive me if i disagree. You see, I see that all > reactive > > emotions are nothing but love in disguise. > > > > ======================= > > Entertainment--you didnt provide an answer > > > really. > > > > Who can? > > =========================== > > > > Your answer on grief indicates that you missed the > point > > > that love and attachment are not the same, and > grief is really a > > > self indulgence for nobody dies. > > > > This is a concept you have that no one dies. > > > > ++++++++++++++========== > > > > Condescension can never be charity > > > for charity should be nishkarma karma. You > didn't get my point > > on > > > entertainment either. It was actually J > Krishnamurthi's point. > > You > > > didn't understand my point on the relationship > between > > Ahimsa and > > > inactivity/realisation. You didn't understand > that if there has > to > > > be a reason for love--it isn't. For love is the > Sakti and is > > > everything. > > > > > > Thanks for making my point- so sentamentality is > LOVE > > condescention is LOVE > > grief is Love ,etc..... > > So everything is a reason because it IS LOVE > ITSELF.... > > > > what a relief.. > > > > thank you, > > > > ~Shawn > > Namaste, > Ultimately for the realised soul everything is Love, > however without > that Moksha we have to deal with a certain validity. > Otherwise it is > just vndism..........ONS..> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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