Our Societ is replete with superficial belief systems

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

In accordance with our throw away society, superficial spirituality

has grown up. A kind of instant gratification and cherry picking

what is easier to do. A no commitment society that unfortunately has

even filtered into the spiritual side of things. As the mind gets

more technical and sophisticated it entertains ideas and talks about

them without really putting much into practice. I see this in gobs

in our North American/Western World. Where people have the same

superficial understanding of history and geography etc. Spirituality

has become just another business or diversion-----food for

dilettantes.

The bottom line again is that it is all in the lower mind the

manomayakosa with some superficial touching on the intellect. IMO

the only way to get to the truth is by purifying the Buddhi or

vijnanamayakosa, this is mainly done by sadhana and

diet.......ONS..Tony

[Guest guest]

Dear Tony,

 

--- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote:

> Namaste,

SNIP

> As

> the mind gets

> more technical and sophisticated it entertains ideas

> and talks about

> them without really putting much into practice

 

Is that right? What are you doing about putting into

practice what ever it is that you're talking about.

Are you some kind of activist? Or are you just a

"complainer"? And by the way, I don't care what role

you used to play in that mess in Ireland.

> I

> see this in gobs

> in our North American/Western World. Where people

> have the same

> superficial understanding of history and geography

> etc

 

Have you considered getting out of North America? You

might be much happier in one of the places where you

believe that things are not as superficial.

> Spirituality

> has become just another business or

> diversion-----food for

> dilettantes.

 

Spirituality is whatever you think it is Tony.

> The bottom line again is that it is all in the lower

> mind the

> manomayakosa with some superficial touching on the

> intellect.

 

Yep, and you're right down there with it.

> IMO

> the only way to get to the truth is by purifying the

> Buddhi or

> vijnanamayakosa, this is mainly done by sadhana and

> diet.......ONS..>

>

 

There is nothing but truth. Nothing whatsoever exists

except truth. Whatever doesn't exist cannot be true.

And whatever does exist can't be false.

 

Warmest regards,

 

michael

[Guest guest]

, Michael Bowes

<rmichaelbowes> wrote:

> Dear Tony,

>

> There is nothing but truth. Nothing whatsoever exists

> except truth. Whatever doesn't exist cannot be true.

> And whatever does exist can't be false.

>

> Warmest regards,

>

> michael

 

Namaste,

 

This is the cop out of the vndists. Not fully appreciating Ramana

and advaita etc many latch on to the easy non dualism, where they

don't actually have to do anything---no sadhana etc.......ONS..Tony

[Guest guest]

--- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote:

> , Michael Bowes

>

> <rmichaelbowes> wrote:

> > Dear Tony,

> >

> > There is nothing but truth. Nothing whatsoever

> exists

> > except truth. Whatever doesn't exist cannot be

> true.

> > And whatever does exist can't be false.

> >

> > Warmest regards,

> >

> > michael

>

> Namaste,

>

> This is the cop out of the vndists. Not fully

> appreciating Ramana

> and advaita etc many latch on to the easy non

> dualism, where they

> don't actually have to do anything---no sadhana

> etc.......ONS..>

>

Dear Tony,

 

What do you know about what sadhana someone may or may

not have performed?

 

Warmest regards,

 

michael

[Guest guest]

, Michael Bowes

<rmichaelbowes> wrote:

>

> --- Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote:

> > , Michael Bowes

> >

> > <rmichaelbowes> wrote:

> > > Dear Tony,

> > >

> > > There is nothing but truth. Nothing whatsoever

> > exists

> > > except truth. Whatever doesn't exist cannot be

> > true.

> > > And whatever does exist can't be false.

> > >

> > > Warmest regards,

> > >

> > > michael

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > This is the cop out of the vndists. Not fully

> > appreciating Ramana

> > and advaita etc many latch on to the easy non

> > dualism, where they

> > don't actually have to do anything---no sadhana

> > etc.......ONS..> >

> >

> Dear Tony,

>

> What do you know about what sadhana someone may or may

> not have performed?

>

> Warmest regards,

>

> michael

 

Namaste,

 

whatever it is it doesn't seem to include ahimsa so I'm not really

wanting to get into a discussion about it.......ONS..Tony

[Guest guest]

Dear Tony,

 

--- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote:

> , Michael Bowes

>

> <rmichaelbowes> wrote:

> >

> > --- Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote:

> > > , Michael

> Bowes

> > >

> > > <rmichaelbowes> wrote:

> > > > Dear Tony,

> > > >

> > > > There is nothing but truth. Nothing

> whatsoever

> > > exists

> > > > except truth. Whatever doesn't exist cannot

> be

> > > true.

> > > > And whatever does exist can't be false.

> > > >

> > > > Warmest regards,

> > > >

> > > > michael

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > This is the cop out of the vndists. Not fully

> > > appreciating Ramana

> > > and advaita etc many latch on to the easy non

> > > dualism, where they

> > > don't actually have to do anything---no sadhana

> > > etc.......ONS..> > >

> > >

> > Dear Tony,

> >

> > What do you know about what sadhana someone may or

> may

> > not have performed?

> >

> > Warmest regards,

> >

> > michael

>

> Namaste,

>

> whatever it is it doesn't seem to include ahimsa so

> I'm not really

> wanting to get into a discussion about

> it.......ONS..>

>

You deny the obvious. And what is the obvious in

regard to this dicussion? The obvious is that life as

we know it on this planet, and even in the entire

universe, doesn't fit your definition of "ahimsa".

Life is violent Tonyji.

 

The most universally accepted scripture in all of

India, the Bhagavad Gita, was "sung" in order to

convince Arjuna to fight.

 

Regards,

 

michael

[Guest guest]

> --- Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote:

> > > > This is the cop out of the vndists.

 

This seems to be your cop out Tony.

If someone disaggrees with you they are branded with your little

"vndist."

 

Too bad that ahimsa you so cherish doesn't come with humility.

If you had that, you might stop judging others, and deal with this

pride you so self-righteously strut about. Perhaps if you would

find the Ahimsa in your heart, your mind would not be so quick to

condemn.

 

Peace,

 

Shawn

[Guest guest]

Shawn Hair wrote:

>>--- Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote:

>>

>>

>

>

>

>>>>>This is the cop out of the vndists.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>

>This seems to be your cop out Tony.

> If someone disaggrees with you they are branded with your little

>"vndist."

>

>Too bad that ahimsa you so cherish doesn't come with humility.

>If you had that, you might stop judging others, and deal with this

>pride you so self-righteously strut about. Perhaps if you would

>find the Ahimsa in your heart, your mind would not be so quick to

>condemn.

>

>Peace,

>

>Shawn

>

>

>

Once the pattern of self-abuse has become clear (like smoking, drinking,

filling the body with dead, decaying animals etc.) and the impact that

has (like on health, relations with family, friends etc.) it isn't a

surprise that some become passionate to point this out to those,

perceived as not free from such a pattern of self-abuse. Dear Tony,

being familiar with self-abuse as he wrote not long ago, knows abuse

from the other side as well (as a recipient that is, or as some say,

"victim"). When evaluating a response, the better idea is not to ignore

"history and its consequences". Before Ignatius of Loyola founded the

order of Jesuits, he was what in modern English is called, a boozing

party animal who after a forced stay at a hospital (without opportunity

for self-abuse) had some experiences which for him meant "the" change

of a lifetime.

 

Peace,

Jan

[Guest guest]

, "Shawn Hair" <shawn@w...>

wrote:

>

> > --- Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote:

>

> > > > > This is the cop out of the vndists.

>

> This seems to be your cop out Tony.

> If someone disaggrees with you they are branded with your little

> "vndist."

>

> Too bad that ahimsa you so cherish doesn't come with humility.

> If you had that, you might stop judging others, and deal with this

> pride you so self-righteously strut about. Perhaps if you would

> find the Ahimsa in your heart, your mind would not be so quick to

> condemn.

>

> Peace,

>

> Shawn

 

Namaste,

 

I'm sorry old boy but I don't have the mental agility of your

esteemed self. I cannot ignore the suffering and torture of fellow

beings without saying something. I don't have self-righteousnous but

that would be nice for you if I did. Your vndist rebuttal of judging

is an old red herring and smells a lot these days.

One point that I think you are totally missing in this philosophy is

that Ahimsa also includes action. In other words not stopping or

taking an action against Himsa is in fact also Ahimsa....You really

have to penetrate Eastern Philosophy for meaning........ONS...Tony.