It has nothing to do with my standards-it has to do with hypocrisy!

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

The morning that I gave up eating meat I had a dream that was the

catalyst. I was visiting some family members in Sydney and I was on

Bondi Beach, I like surfing. I ate a hamburger and then fell asleep

on the beach during which time, I was given a dream. In this dream I

was actually a cow or steer or whatever, bovine anyway.

I was in the slaughterhouse, and was terrified by the cries of the

other animals waiting to go up before the human killer. The stench

of blood and faeces assailed by rather large nostrils and my eyes

rolled in utter panic and fear in my head. I looked around for

someone I knew but I was alone amongst all these terrified

animals.My panic grew as I was forced between a row of gates and

down a slippy path full of blood, faeces and urine. I hesitated and

was prodded with an electric prod to make me move forward into this

tight space. Eventually I was in a kind of giant manacle which held

my head for the human killer. I was terrified and so were all the

other cattle for we knew, yes we knew.

At his point I awoke on the beach repeating 'My God they know', they

know they are going to be killed so cruelly. At that point I

resolved never to be an accomplice to the greatest holocaust of all

time, and I became a vegetarian. I'm a slow learner you see!!

 

Now here is my 'riposte' to the vndists and other so called meat

eaters. If you can imagine what I have written and apply it to all

animals, birds and fish taken from their families and tribes for

slaughter, and then still sit there with meat on your plate and call

yourself spiritual then I will call you a hypocrite.

Raving about Jewish Holocausts, and Irish, Armenian whatever pale

into insignificance to the holocaust of our animal

brothers........ONS..Tony.

[Guest guest]

Hay Tony,

 

I know how you feel. I am about an inch away from stopping eating meat myself.

 

However.........

 

One tiny eantsy weency little thing I would like to point out.

 

We all for the most part drive cars that need gas and in the process of

being created take up resources and create pollution.

 

They drive on roads that in the process of being made kill huge numbers.

 

We all for the most part use plastics that cause huge amounts of pollution

and kill countless animals.

 

If you live in any type of house, more then likely, many animals where

displaced in the process of clearing the land and building the house.

 

I could go on and on but I am sure you recognize the point and that is,

most if not all "Civilized" humans are mass killers and our way of life is

killing not only ourselves, but every living thing on the planet.

 

If you are going to call meat eaters that claim to be spiritual,

"hypocrites", you better add that label to yourself and the rest of so

called "civilized" humanity.

 

 

Branwell

 

Is this muttering really better then silence....hmmmm No.

 

 

At 03:29 PM 2/19/2004, you wrote:

>Namaste,

>

>The morning that I gave up eating meat I had a dream that was the

>catalyst. I was visiting some family members in Sydney and I was on

>Bondi Beach, I like surfing. I ate a hamburger and then fell asleep

>on the beach during which time, I was given a dream. In this dream I

>was actually a cow or steer or whatever, bovine anyway.

> I was in the slaughterhouse, and was terrified by the cries of the

>other animals waiting to go up before the human killer. The stench

>of blood and faeces assailed by rather large nostrils and my eyes

>rolled in utter panic and fear in my head. I looked around for

>someone I knew but I was alone amongst all these terrified

>animals.My panic grew as I was forced between a row of gates and

>down a slippy path full of blood, faeces and urine. I hesitated and

>was prodded with an electric prod to make me move forward into this

>tight space. Eventually I was in a kind of giant manacle which held

>my head for the human killer. I was terrified and so were all the

>other cattle for we knew, yes we knew.

>At his point I awoke on the beach repeating 'My God they know', they

>know they are going to be killed so cruelly. At that point I

>resolved never to be an accomplice to the greatest holocaust of all

>time, and I became a vegetarian. I'm a slow learner you see!!

>

>Now here is my 'riposte' to the vndists and other so called meat

>eaters. If you can imagine what I have written and apply it to all

>animals, birds and fish taken from their families and tribes for

>slaughter, and then still sit there with meat on your plate and call

>yourself spiritual then I will call you a hypocrite.

>Raving about Jewish Holocausts, and Irish, Armenian whatever pale

>into insignificance to the holocaust of our animal

>brothers........ONS..Tony.

>

>

>

>/join

>

>

>

>

>

>"Love itself is the actual form of God."

>

>Sri Ramana

>

>In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

> Links

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, Branwell McClory

<branwell1@e...> wrote:

> Hay Tony,

>

> I know how you feel. I am about an inch away from stopping eating

meat myself.

>

> However.........

>

> One tiny eantsy weency little thing I would like to point out.

>

> We all for the most part drive cars that need gas and in the

process of

> being created take up resources and create pollution.

>

> They drive on roads that in the process of being made kill huge

numbers.

>

> We all for the most part use plastics that cause huge amounts of

pollution

> and kill countless animals.

>

> If you live in any type of house, more then likely, many animals

where

> displaced in the process of clearing the land and building the

house.

>

> I could go on and on but I am sure you recognize the point and

that is,

> most if not all "Civilized" humans are mass killers and our way of

life is

> killing not only ourselves, but every living thing on the planet.

>

> If you are going to call meat eaters that claim to be spiritual,

> "hypocrites", you better add that label to yourself and the rest

of so

> called "civilized" humanity.

>

>

> Branwell

>

> Is this muttering really better then silence....hmmmm No.

 

Namaste Branwell,

 

Yes I am aware of that and have alluded to it in previous posts.

However one has to do one's best and start somewhere. The animal

holocaust is stark and targeted deliberately, it is not a by product

of another activity. It actually sets up vibrations, resentments,

that carry over into the bodies of animals that become humans.

No doubt my dream existed in the meat I ate in the form of

vibrations, I was eating the meat of the animal I dreamed I was.

So yes I agree with you but that isn't an excuse to not do

something.At least with giving up meat it is one action everyone can

take and little actions eventually add up to big ones that cause sea

changes. Kind of like Dean raising $40 million in small donations, a

feat previously thought impossible. They all thought they had to

sell out to the big lobbyists killing the planet until this event.

However humans will always find a way to cop out rationalise and

fool themselves. I personally don't castigate normal non spiritual

people or people in ignorance for eating meat, anymore than I would

castigate a dog for doing the same thing...hypocrisy is what I am

talking of....For the karmic propensity and consequences arising

from so called spiritual people doing it are

horrendous.....ONS.....Tony

[Guest guest]

Dear Tony,

 

I whole heartedly agree with you.

 

When I was small, I hated meat and was forced to eat it by my family.

Until the sixties meat in Germany was only eaten once a week on Sundays

when the whole family gathered around the roast after church (or pub).

Nowadays meat is eaten like bread without given the animal a thought.

If people had to do their own slaughtering there would be much less

meat eating, I am sure.

 

Anyway, I find it hard to understand, how anybody can still eat meat if

they seriously contemplate what they are eating. All that fear and

pain, all the illness and antibiotics are taken in when eating.

 

regards

chris

 

 

 

 

On Feb 19, 2004, at 21:29, Tony OClery wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> The morning that I gave up eating meat I had a dream that was the

> catalyst. I was visiting some family members in Sydney and I was on

> Bondi Beach, I like surfing. I ate a hamburger and then fell asleep

> on the beach during which time, I was given a dream. In this dream I

> was actually a cow or steer or whatever, bovine anyway.

> I was in the slaughterhouse, and was terrified by the cries of the

> other animals waiting to go up before the human killer. The stench

> of blood and faeces assailed by rather large nostrils and my eyes

> rolled in utter panic and fear in my head. I looked around for

> someone I knew but I was alone amongst all these terrified

> animals.My panic grew as I was forced between a row of gates and

> down a slippy path full of blood, faeces and urine. I hesitated and

> was prodded with an electric prod to make me move forward into this

> tight space. Eventually I was in a kind of giant manacle which held

> my head for the human killer. I was terrified and so were all the

> other cattle for we knew, yes we knew.

> At his point I awoke on the beach repeating 'My God they know', they

> know they are going to be killed so cruelly. At that point I

> resolved never to be an accomplice to the greatest holocaust of all

> time, and I became a vegetarian. I'm a slow learner you see!!

>

> Now here is my 'riposte' to the vndists and other so called meat

> eaters. If you can imagine what I have written and apply it to all

> animals, birds and fish taken from their families and tribes for

> slaughter, and then still sit there with meat on your plate and call

> yourself spiritual then I will call you a hypocrite.

> Raving about Jewish Holocausts, and Irish, Armenian whatever pale

> into insignificance to the holocaust of our animal

> brothers........ONS..Tony.

>

>

>

> /join

>

>

>

>

>

> "Love itself is the actual form of God."

>

> Sri Ramana

>

> In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

>

>

>

> Links

>

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[Guest guest]

, christiane cameron

<christianecameron@m...> wrote:

> Dear Tony,

>

> I whole heartedly agree with you.

>

> When I was small, I hated meat and was forced to eat it by my

family.

> Until the sixties meat in Germany was only eaten once a week on

Sundays

> when the whole family gathered around the roast after church (or

pub).

> Nowadays meat is eaten like bread without given the animal a

thought.

> If people had to do their own slaughtering there would be much

less

> meat eating, I am sure.

>

> Anyway, I find it hard to understand, how anybody can still eat

meat if

> they seriously contemplate what they are eating. All that fear and

> pain, all the illness and antibiotics are taken in when eating.

>

> regards

> chris

 

Namaste Chris,

 

Yes this type of desensitising is exactly what led to the various

human holocausts, and not to mention wars. This is why I am talking

of the difference of living in the lower mind or manomayakosa and

living fully in the higher mind or vijnanamayakosa. The only

difference between a human and animal is the potential of the

vijnanamayakosa...there is only one soul in the universe after

all.....ONS...Tony.

[Guest guest]

On Feb 19, 2004, at 22:47, Tony OClery wrote:

> -- In , christiane cameron

> <christianecameron@m...> wrote:

> > Dear Tony,

> >

> > I whole heartedly agree with you.

> >

> > When I was small, I hated meat and was forced to eat it by my

> family.

> > Until the sixties meat in Germany was only eaten once a week on

> Sundays

> > when the whole family gathered around the roast after church (or

> pub).

> > Nowadays meat is eaten like bread without given the animal a

> thought.

> > If people had to do their own slaughtering there would be much

> less

> > meat eating, I am sure.

> >

> > Anyway, I find it hard to understand, how anybody can still eat

> meat if

> > they seriously contemplate what they are eating. All that fear and

> > pain, all the illness and antibiotics are taken in when eating.

> >

> > regards

> > chris

>

> Namaste Chris,

>

> Yes this type of desensitising is exactly what led to the various

> human holocausts, and not to mention wars. This is why I am talking

> of the difference of living in the lower mind or manomayakosa and

> living fully in the higher mind or vijnanamayakosa. The only

> difference between a human and animal is the potential of the

> vijnanamayakosa...there is only one soul in the universe after

> all.....ONS...Tony.

>

exactly.

 

The prohibition on meat eating was the only thing Ramana was really

strict about. For those reasons.

>

>

> /join

>

>

>

>

>

> "Love itself is the actual form of God."

>

> Sri Ramana

>

> In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Tony,

 

--- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote:

> Namaste,

>

Well, it was just a dream Tony.

 

But it is true that there is fear in the animals at

the slaughterhouse. Being from a cowboy background I

know that. But they're afraid because they only

"think" that they're going to die. They don't really

die. There is no such thing as death. So they're

fear is based on ignorance.

 

Don't worry about this transformation that you call

death. It happens to all. But dying isn't a part of

it. There's no such thing as death.

 

michael

[Guest guest]

, Michael Bowes

<rmichaelbowes> wrote:

> Dear Tony,

>

> --- Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote:

> > Namaste,

> >

> Well, it was just a dream Tony.

>

> But it is true that there is fear in the animals at

> the slaughterhouse. Being from a cowboy background I

> know that. But they're afraid because they only

> "think" that they're going to die. They don't really

> die. There is no such thing as death. So they're

> fear is based on ignorance.

>

> Don't worry about this transformation that you call

> death. It happens to all. But dying isn't a part of

> it. There's no such thing as death.

>

> michael

 

Namaste,

 

A possible terminal case of vndism........ONS..Tony