Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Namaste, I think if one is going to follow any kind of Indian or Vedic teaching, it worthwhile learning a little about it all. The ancient code of Indian Law, the Manu-Samhita, attributed to Manu, an Indian Adam, says with regard to meat. " Meat can never be obtained without injury to living creatures. Let one therefore shun the use of meat., Having well considered the disgusting origin of flesh and the cruelty of fettering and slaying corporeal beings, let one entirely abstain from eating flesh." So the earliest Indian Laws go right to this subject and the spiritual tradition continues on from there, with contradiction or rationalisation....ONS..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > Namaste, > > I think if one is going to follow any kind of Indian or Vedic > teaching, it worthwhile learning a little about it all. > > The ancient code of Indian Law, the Manu-Samhita, attributed to > Manu, an Indian Adam, says with regard to meat. " Meat can never be > obtained without injury to living creatures. Let one therefore shun > the use of meat., Having well considered the disgusting origin of > flesh and the cruelty of fettering and slaying corporeal beings, let > one entirely abstain from eating flesh." > > So the earliest Indian Laws go right to this subject and the > spiritual tradition continues on from there, with contradiction or > rationalisation....ONS..Tony That should be without contradiction or rationalisation of course. In the Gita 5:18 Krishna talks of equality, so how can one treat another being without equality.....ONS..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Like this: 11:26-27. All these sons of Dhritarashtra, together with the hosts of monarchs, and Bhishma, Drona, and Karna, and the warrior chiefs of our side as well, enter precipitately Thy tusked and terrible mouths, frightful to behold. Some are seen caught between Thy teeth, their heads crushed to powder. 11:28. As the many torrents of the rivers rush toward the ocean, so do the heroes of the mortal world rush into Thy fiercely flaming mouths. 11:29. As moths rush swiftly into a blazing fire to perish there, even so do these creatures swiftly rush into Thy mouths to their own destruction. 11:30. Thou lickest Thy lips, devouring all the worlds on every side with Thy flaming mouths. Thy fiery rays fill the whole universe with their radiance and scorch it, O Vishnu! 11:31. Tell me who Thou art that wearest this frightful form. Salutations to Thee, O God Supreme! Have mercy. I desire to know Thee, who art the Primal One; for I do not understand Thy purpose. 11:32. The Lord said: I am mighty, world-destroying Time, now engaged here in slaying these men. Even without you, all these warriors standing arrayed in the opposing armies shall not live. 11:33. Therefore stand up and win glory; conquer your enemies and enjoy an opulent kingdom. By Me and none other have they already been slain; be an instrument only, O Arjuna. 11:34. Kill Drona and Bhishma and Jayadratha and Karna, and the other great warriors as well, who have already been killed by Me. Be not distressed by fear. Fight, and you shall conquer your foes in the battle. Signed, KRSNA --- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: > , "Tony OClery" > <aoclery> > wrote: > > Namaste, > > > > I think if one is going to follow any kind of > Indian or Vedic > > teaching, it worthwhile learning a little about it > all. > > > > The ancient code of Indian Law, the Manu-Samhita, > attributed to > > Manu, an Indian Adam, says with regard to meat. " > Meat can never > be > > obtained without injury to living creatures. Let > one therefore > shun > > the use of meat., Having well considered the > disgusting origin of > > flesh and the cruelty of fettering and slaying > corporeal beings, > let > > one entirely abstain from eating flesh." > > > > So the earliest Indian Laws go right to this > subject and the > > spiritual tradition continues on from there, with > contradiction or > > rationalisation....ONS..Tony > > That should be without contradiction or > rationalisation of course. > In the Gita 5:18 Krishna talks of equality, so how > can one treat > another being without equality.....ONS..> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 , Michael Bowes <rmichaelbowes> wrote: > Like this: > > 11:26-27. All these sons of Dhritarashtra, together > with the hosts of monarchs, and Bhishma, Drona, and > Karna, and the warrior chiefs of our side as well, > enter precipitately Thy tusked and terrible mouths, > frightful to behold. Some are seen caught between Thy > teeth, their heads crushed to powder. Namaste M, Quoting me the Mahabharata etc as an argument about Himsa indicates that you haven't fully understood the whole epic. Kurukshetra or field of battle is the body itself, it is all symbolic. Yes there was a battle many years ago and the lesson was that there was no time and that everything is karma or Krishna/Sakti. That the actions had to be performed but not be attached to them. So surrender to the Lord. There are different types of revelation in India, Vedas, Puranas, Samhitas etc etc. Just try and stick with what one Mukta said---Ramana don't eat meat..........ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 --- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: > , Michael Bowes > > <rmichaelbowes> wrote: > > Like this: > > > > 11:26-27. All these sons of Dhritarashtra, > together > > with the hosts of monarchs, and Bhishma, Drona, > and > > Karna, and the warrior chiefs of our side as well, > > enter precipitately Thy tusked and terrible > mouths, > > frightful to behold. Some are seen caught between > Thy > > teeth, their heads crushed to powder. > > Namaste M, > > Quoting me the Mahabharata etc as an argument about > Himsa indicates > that you haven't fully understood the whole epic. > Kurukshetra or field of battle is the body itself, > it is all > symbolic. Is the violence that is manifest in nature symbolic too Tony? You see, one of the reasons that people do not feel free is because they are willing to accept certain manifestations of the LIFE; but they are unwilling to accept other manifestations that they do not understand. 11:31. Tell me who Thou art that wearest this frightful form. Salutations to Thee, O God Supreme! Have mercy. I desire to know Thee, who art the Primal One; for I do not understand Thy purpose. What persons do not understand they do not want to accept. Some reject out right what their mind cannot process and they want to go on a crusade. Last week Tony you were "railing" against "do-gooders" and "polyannas". This week its the meat eaters and violence. But the liberated find nothing to accept and nothing to reject. The liberated live their lives in perfect peace and freedom. They need not "understand". And they need not crusade against one aspect the LIFE that they can't "compute". > Yes there was a battle many years ago and > the lesson was > that there was no time and that everything is karma > or > Krishna/Sakti. That the actions had to be performed > but not be > attached to them. So surrender to the Lord. There > are different > types of revelation in India, Vedas, Puranas, > Samhitas etc etc. > Just try and stick with what one Mukta said---Ramana > don't eat > meat..........ONS..Tony. > > Dear Tony, I place no man above myself for that is bondage. But I listen to what men say, and I practice what seems efficacious. Beyond that I trust the true guru that is within and without and everywhere at once. Love, michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 , Michael Bowes > > > > > > Dear Tony, > I place no man above myself for that is bondage. But > I listen to what men say, and I practice what seems > efficacious. > > Beyond that I trust the true guru that is within and > without and everywhere at once. > > Love, > > michael Namaste, I suggest listen harder, you might find the guru is actually your own mind talking to you. For unless you have purified your Buddhi to some extent then what you hear may not be enlightened enough and just a replaying of your own ideas..........ONS..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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