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Hi Michael B,

 

The "me" will do everything it can to not only survive, but to be "in

charge", including "seeking" the Divine or any other experience via strategic

maneuvers it thinks (and desperately hopes) will assure its continuance. Since

there is no "future", only 'this' Now moment as it is, all effort to get

"elsewhere" and "elsewhen" is futile. All it is is an attempt to feel secure and

keep possession of oneself via "self-contraction" or tensing. Much like

contracting the fingers and thumb together creates a "fist" which then seems to

take on a feeling of it being an independent "thing". But a fist is not a thing,

it is an activity, a process. Relax the contraction and the "fist" disappears.

The "me" is nothing more than memories coupled with a tensing, contracting, a

holding on. All seeking can be felt as tension which is the exact opposite of

openness, of no longer being a "separate thing or me" with a desire to be in

charge, evolve, find God, etc. All paths toward something are progressive and

actually cement into place a false (but the believed in premise) that the Divine

is not only here and now, there's the Divine only. Once the "me" is taken to

exist independently, separately, and over and against "what is", all efforts

attain enlightenment are doomed to failure just as futile as yelling at an echo

to go away. The last thing the "me" wants is to die, to dissolve, which its (so

to speak) very salvation. But the joke is, the 'me' never existed in the first

place. Thus the Divine Adventure! Let the good times roll!

 

Michael A

 

 

 

< K was one of those rare individuals who naturally

< developed, or perhaps was born, into a realized state.

< And, like most persons, he only knew what he had

< experienced. He was personally unacquainted with the

< experience of the eight limbed path.

 

< Under the direction of C.W. Leadbetter, Krishnamurti

< did practice some spiritual disciplines; but he was

< not a real sadhaka.

 

< He did not have to struggle. He developed naturally.

< And so, he does not preach conscious development. In

< fact it is alien to him.

 

< But that doesn't mean that it is bad. It just means

< that K was a man like any man, and he espoused what he

< knew. And what he knew was a natural state and not

< one that was consciously developed.

 

< Persons who need it should never discount the practice

< of yoga.

 

< michael

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J.k, underwent a kundalini awakening, so appears in his biography,

although, the term kundalini was not used.

 

Before he died, he said something like " I could not awaken/enlighten

a single person, where did I go wrong ? ". He was very sad on account

of this.[i wish, i could recall as where exactly I read this..].

 

Anandamayi Ma, lovingly said to J.K, " you know you are a Guru, why

are you preaching against Gurus ? ", to which he simply smiled.

 

In his biography, Papaji remarked that, not all enlightened beings

can awaken others. Perhaps, it was not J.k's destiny to awaken

people !!

 

P.

 

 

.......those rare individuals who naturally

> < developed, or perhaps was born, into a realized state.

> < And, like most persons, he only knew what he had

> < experienced. He was personally unacquainted with the

> < experience of the eight limbed path.

>

> < Under the direction of C.W. Leadbetter, Krishnamurti

> < did practice some spiritual disciplines; but he was

> < not a real sadhaka.

>

> < He did not have to struggle. He developed naturally.

> < And so, he does not preach conscious development. In

> < fact it is alien to him.

>

> < But that doesn't mean that it is bad. It just means

> < that K was a man like any man, and he espoused what he

> < knew. And what he knew was a natural state and not

> < one that was consciously developed.

>

> < Persons who need it should never discount the practice

> < of yoga.

>

> < michael

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Dear Michael,

 

 

--- Michael Adamson <adamson wrote:

> Hi Michael B,

>

> The "me" will do everything it can to not only

> survive, but to be "in

> charge", including "seeking" the Divine or any other

> experience via strategic

> maneuvers it thinks (and desperately hopes) will

> assure its continuance. Since

> there is no "future", only 'this' Now moment as it

> is, all effort to get

> "elsewhere" and "elsewhen" is futile.

 

SNIP

 

One of the favorite tricks of the "me" is to do

nothing.

 

Regards,

 

michael

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, Michael Bowes

<rmichaelbowes> wrote:

> Dear Michael,

>

>

> --- Michael Adamson <adamson@s...> wrote:

> > Hi Michael B,

> >

> > The "me" will do everything it can to not only

> > survive, but to be "in

> > charge", including "seeking" the Divine or any other

> > experience via strategic

> > maneuvers it thinks (and desperately hopes) will

> > assure its continuance. Since

> > there is no "future", only 'this' Now moment as it

> > is, all effort to get

> > "elsewhere" and "elsewhen" is futile.

>

> SNIP

>

> One of the favorite tricks of the "me" is to do

> nothing.

>

> Regards,

>

> michael

 

 

Yes, as long as there is one who thinks he can do *anything*,

effort must be made.

 

~Shawn

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