Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 Hi Michael B, The "me" will do everything it can to not only survive, but to be "in charge", including "seeking" the Divine or any other experience via strategic maneuvers it thinks (and desperately hopes) will assure its continuance. Since there is no "future", only 'this' Now moment as it is, all effort to get "elsewhere" and "elsewhen" is futile. All it is is an attempt to feel secure and keep possession of oneself via "self-contraction" or tensing. Much like contracting the fingers and thumb together creates a "fist" which then seems to take on a feeling of it being an independent "thing". But a fist is not a thing, it is an activity, a process. Relax the contraction and the "fist" disappears. The "me" is nothing more than memories coupled with a tensing, contracting, a holding on. All seeking can be felt as tension which is the exact opposite of openness, of no longer being a "separate thing or me" with a desire to be in charge, evolve, find God, etc. All paths toward something are progressive and actually cement into place a false (but the believed in premise) that the Divine is not only here and now, there's the Divine only. Once the "me" is taken to exist independently, separately, and over and against "what is", all efforts attain enlightenment are doomed to failure just as futile as yelling at an echo to go away. The last thing the "me" wants is to die, to dissolve, which its (so to speak) very salvation. But the joke is, the 'me' never existed in the first place. Thus the Divine Adventure! Let the good times roll! Michael A < K was one of those rare individuals who naturally < developed, or perhaps was born, into a realized state. < And, like most persons, he only knew what he had < experienced. He was personally unacquainted with the < experience of the eight limbed path. < Under the direction of C.W. Leadbetter, Krishnamurti < did practice some spiritual disciplines; but he was < not a real sadhaka. < He did not have to struggle. He developed naturally. < And so, he does not preach conscious development. In < fact it is alien to him. < But that doesn't mean that it is bad. It just means < that K was a man like any man, and he espoused what he < knew. And what he knew was a natural state and not < one that was consciously developed. < Persons who need it should never discount the practice < of yoga. < michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 J.k, underwent a kundalini awakening, so appears in his biography, although, the term kundalini was not used. Before he died, he said something like " I could not awaken/enlighten a single person, where did I go wrong ? ". He was very sad on account of this.[i wish, i could recall as where exactly I read this..]. Anandamayi Ma, lovingly said to J.K, " you know you are a Guru, why are you preaching against Gurus ? ", to which he simply smiled. In his biography, Papaji remarked that, not all enlightened beings can awaken others. Perhaps, it was not J.k's destiny to awaken people !! P. .......those rare individuals who naturally > < developed, or perhaps was born, into a realized state. > < And, like most persons, he only knew what he had > < experienced. He was personally unacquainted with the > < experience of the eight limbed path. > > < Under the direction of C.W. Leadbetter, Krishnamurti > < did practice some spiritual disciplines; but he was > < not a real sadhaka. > > < He did not have to struggle. He developed naturally. > < And so, he does not preach conscious development. In > < fact it is alien to him. > > < But that doesn't mean that it is bad. It just means > < that K was a man like any man, and he espoused what he > < knew. And what he knew was a natural state and not > < one that was consciously developed. > > < Persons who need it should never discount the practice > < of yoga. > > < michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 Dear Michael, --- Michael Adamson <adamson wrote: > Hi Michael B, > > The "me" will do everything it can to not only > survive, but to be "in > charge", including "seeking" the Divine or any other > experience via strategic > maneuvers it thinks (and desperately hopes) will > assure its continuance. Since > there is no "future", only 'this' Now moment as it > is, all effort to get > "elsewhere" and "elsewhen" is futile. SNIP One of the favorite tricks of the "me" is to do nothing. Regards, michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 , Michael Bowes <rmichaelbowes> wrote: > Dear Michael, > > > --- Michael Adamson <adamson@s...> wrote: > > Hi Michael B, > > > > The "me" will do everything it can to not only > > survive, but to be "in > > charge", including "seeking" the Divine or any other > > experience via strategic > > maneuvers it thinks (and desperately hopes) will > > assure its continuance. Since > > there is no "future", only 'this' Now moment as it > > is, all effort to get > > "elsewhere" and "elsewhen" is futile. > > SNIP > > One of the favorite tricks of the "me" is to do > nothing. > > Regards, > > michael Yes, as long as there is one who thinks he can do *anything*, effort must be made. ~Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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