NBC programme last night on Jesus.

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

Until I got into Vedanta, going to India etc, I probably would have

agreed with the programme that Jesus was essentially some kind of

rabble rousing rebel.

 

Why they would need peaceful Jesus when they had hordes of perfectly

good rebels in the form of Zealots, I don't know. However after

becoming a Vedantist I believe that I really found out who Jesus was

and what he was.

 

In anticipation of Gibson's Gospel Film of the Passion, NBC

aired 'Who was Jesus' piece. Well talking of Western Superficiality,

they trotted out 'experts', in Israel who solved the life long

question in a few short minutes each. There was Stone Phillips with

his Dorothy Dixer 'tell me a question', interview and some obviously

paid witnesses, both Jewish and Christian. One fellow a Christian

was saying Jesus was talking about a heaven on earth, or God ruling

as King, which was completely disengenious.

 

For Jesus said 'The Kingdom of Heaven/God is within, and the Kingdom

is laid out before all to see but they don't see it. They also

missed the point completely about turning over the money changers

tables in the temple. Jesus went on to say that it was his Father's

house and he didn't need burnt offerings. It was an attack on animal

sacrifice.

 

The same fellow then went on to say, that Jesus said he was the

messiah at the trial etc. When Jesus actually said 'It is out of

your mouth you have said it', and don't the scriptures say ye are

all Gods.

 

The gospels themselves were panned, but then they panned the Iliad

until Schlieman and the battle of Athos and Herodotus, until recent

discoveries.

 

Edgar Cayce actually reinforces the story of the Gospels

particularly , Mark ??I think who Cayce said was mostly Peter's

words.

 

They intimated that there was no trial before the Sanhedrin and that

it was only an interview before Caiphas, they didn't mention

Annanias or Nicodemus. The said Jesus was too small fry to get the

Sanhedrin out of bed.

At this time there were several groups in Palestine, Pharisees, who

evolved into modern Judaism,Sadducees, and Essenes. The temple

Priests were already persecuting the Essenes and I think it was

Elizabeth's ??father who was murdered holding on to the horns of the

tabernacle etc etc. As Jesus came out of the Essenes and he had been

welcomed into Jerusalem by throngs of people, he would have go the

attention of the Sanhedrin alright.

 

Early Christians continued to be persecuted as did the Essenes as

heretics by the Judaic Priests, who were actually collaborators with

the Roman occupation. Stephen and James were both martyred or stoned

to death, not by Romans. St Paul himself who studied under the

Pharisee Gamaliel was a great persecutor of Christians until he

converted. So we have one Hebrew group persecuting another, what's

new?

 

I think the whole premise of NBC was to put the entire blame on the

Romans. It is a pretty strong rumour that Pilate's wife had

associated with the Christians, hence the hand washing deal

 

.."A Rabbinic view of Jesus' Execution

It is taught:

They hanged Jesus [Yeshu] on the eve of Passover.

Now a crier went forth for forty days before this (saying):

--"He goes forth to be stoned because he practiced magic

and stirred up Israel to apostasy.

Let anyone who knows anything in his favor come forward

and speak up for him!"

But they found nothing in his favor

and they hanged him on the eve of Passover.

Ulla said:

--"Do you suppose a revolutionary had anything in his favor!"

He was an instigator [mesith] (to apostasy)

and the Merciful has said:

--'You shall not spare or conceal him!' (Deut 13:8)"

But it was different with (Jesus), for he was near to the kingdom!

--- Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 43a

[Note: this account was probably formulated to contradict Christian

claims that Jews engineered Jesus' execution without giving him a

fair hearing. It agrees with the Fourth Gospel in dating Jesus'

death prior to the Passover meal. Otherwise its details are based on

Jewish procedures for stoning rather than on information in the

gospels.]"

 

" Let us not forget this internecine fighting between several

different groups of Hebrews, who have little in common with Jewish

attitudes today. However it shows the existence and execution of

Jesus, and the attitude of the Priests. I have not seen Gibson's

film yet but will as soon as I can, having spent many hours

researching and reading about Jesus………So I cannot comment on

it…………..ONS..Tony.

http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/JESUSININDIA.htm

 

They would have better not have even done that programme on NBC, it

added nothing positive and could even cause resentments.

[Guest guest]

, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> Until I got into Vedanta, going to India etc, I probably would

have

> agreed with the programme that Jesus was essentially some kind of

> rabble rousing rebel.

>

> Why they would need peaceful Jesus when they had hordes of

perfectly

> good rebels in the form of Zealots, I don't know. However after

> becoming a Vedantist I believe that I really found out who Jesus

was

> and what he was.

>

> In anticipation of Gibson's Gospel Film of the Passion, NBC

> aired 'Who was Jesus' piece. Well talking of Western

Superficiality,

> they trotted out 'experts', in Israel who solved the life long

> question in a few short minutes each. There was Stone Phillips

with

> his Dorothy Dixer 'tell me a question', interview and some

obviously

> paid witnesses, both Jewish and Christian. One fellow a Christian

> was saying Jesus was talking about a heaven on earth, or God

ruling

> as King, which was completely disengenious.

>

> For Jesus said 'The Kingdom of Heaven/God is within, and the

Kingdom

> is laid out before all to see but they don't see it. They also

> missed the point completely about turning over the money changers

> tables in the temple. Jesus went on to say that it was his

Father's

> house and he didn't need burnt offerings. It was an attack on

animal

> sacrifice.

>

> The same fellow then went on to say, that Jesus said he was the

> messiah at the trial etc. When Jesus actually said 'It is out of

> your mouth you have said it', and don't the scriptures say ye are

> all Gods.

>

> The gospels themselves were panned, but then they panned the

Iliad

> until Schlieman and the battle of Athos and Herodotus, until

recent

> discoveries.

>

> Edgar Cayce actually reinforces the story of the Gospels

> particularly , Mark ??I think who Cayce said was mostly Peter's

> words.

>

> They intimated that there was no trial before the Sanhedrin and

that

> it was only an interview before Caiphas, they didn't mention

> Annanias or Nicodemus. The said Jesus was too small fry to get the

> Sanhedrin out of bed.

> At this time there were several groups in Palestine, Pharisees,

who

> evolved into modern Judaism,Sadducees, and Essenes. The temple

> Priests were already persecuting the Essenes and I think it was

> Elizabeth's ??father who was murdered holding on to the horns of

the

> tabernacle etc etc. As Jesus came out of the Essenes and he had

been

> welcomed into Jerusalem by throngs of people, he would have go the

> attention of the Sanhedrin alright.

>

> Early Christians continued to be persecuted as did the Essenes as

> heretics by the Judaic Priests, who were actually collaborators

with

> the Roman occupation. Stephen and James were both martyred or

stoned

> to death, not by Romans. St Paul himself who studied under the

> Pharisee Gamaliel was a great persecutor of Christians until he

> converted. So we have one Hebrew group persecuting another, what's

> new?

>

> I think the whole premise of NBC was to put the entire blame on

the

> Romans. It is a pretty strong rumour that Pilate's wife had

> associated with the Christians, hence the hand washing deal

>

> ."A Rabbinic view of Jesus' Execution

> It is taught:

> They hanged Jesus [Yeshu] on the eve of Passover.

> Now a crier went forth for forty days before this (saying):

> --"He goes forth to be stoned because he practiced magic

> and stirred up Israel to apostasy.

> Let anyone who knows anything in his favor come forward

> and speak up for him!"

> But they found nothing in his favor

> and they hanged him on the eve of Passover.

> Ulla said:

> --"Do you suppose a revolutionary had anything in his favor!"

> He was an instigator [mesith] (to apostasy)

> and the Merciful has said:

> --'You shall not spare or conceal him!' (Deut 13:8)"

> But it was different with (Jesus), for he was near to the kingdom!

> --- Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 43a

> [Note: this account was probably formulated to contradict

Christian

> claims that Jews engineered Jesus' execution without giving him a

> fair hearing. It agrees with the Fourth Gospel in dating Jesus'

> death prior to the Passover meal. Otherwise its details are based

on

> Jewish procedures for stoning rather than on information in the

> gospels.]"

>

> " Let us not forget this internecine fighting between several

> different groups of Hebrews, who have little in common with Jewish

> attitudes today. However it shows the existence and execution of

> Jesus, and the attitude of the Priests. I have not seen Gibson's

> film yet but will as soon as I can, having spent many hours

> researching and reading about Jesus………So I cannot comment on

> it…………..ONS..Tony.

> http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/JESUSININDIA.htm

>

> They would have better not have even done that programme on NBC,

it

> added nothing positive and could even cause resentments.

 

Namaste,

 

On further reflection: The Sadducees only believed in the pentateuch

and not in prophets etc. In fact they regarded such books as heresy

and could suffer the death penalty. As the Temple Priests were no

doubt Sadducees it is no wonder they were not happy with Messianics

like the Essenes or Jesus.....ONS...

Oh on rereading Cayce and the Dead Sea Scrolls, he says there was a

Jesus healing near or associated with Pilate's wife.