Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Thank you for this posting great michael bindel - viorica weissman Sunday, February 22, 2004 10:48 AM Ramana Maharshi - life & teaching are one Hi Tony & all you can't imagine how much I missed Ramana some years ago, how strongly I used to feel frustrated because I was born after the time when he was no more and I couldn't talk physically with him as those devotees who lived during his time did. Of course Tony that no other devotee of his - and I am referring to all those who are gurus or teachers or today devotees who are teaching others the same teaching in the name of Ramana Maharshi or as springing from themselves - what does it actually matter? - so , of course Tony that no other teacher or devotee of his that we might encounter during our life is not and cannot be Ramana Maharshi. Are you coming here in this Internet world and expect any of us to be him? Nobody is Ramana Maharshi here, Tony. Even if one realizes the Self and shares this with everybody, that's fine, let him/her live happily in the world, but that equanimity, that compassion, that life without any trace of shadow and doubt, that worldly perfection in everything, no touch of money also, no meat eating also, divine detachment of anything worldly,absolute honesty so on; Tony, what do you expect?! This was Ramana Maharshi as the being that interacted with others, are you expecting from his devotees to be like him? they can't, Tony, they are not like him, they are like themselves. One like him comes on earth maybe once in a thousand years to give us the complete final teaching: about Self-realization and about behaving in the world. It is a package, Tony, an undivided package: life and teaching are one. I know of no one today who can do this. You found Ramana Maharshi, you don't need anybody to explain to you anything from the scriptures because you have the capacity to understand everything with nobody's help - what more do you need? Us to be the loving, compassionate, perfect incarnation of Self and God that Ramana Maharshi was?! We can't, Tony, nobody can, leave it alone that such a perfection is not man made and mind made but Grace itself, unasked, unsought, unthought. Ah Tony, Ramana heard that I longed so much to hear him! And He answered, God bless and thank all creation for it! Ramana has gone and is here, vicki /join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 >snip > Ramana has gone and is here, > > vicki > >From Vicki #2 My teacher removed his personality long before he died so that the teachings would survive. A couple of comments. Some people think only Jesus Christ Himself could give them the teachings. They fail to realize that a disciple may carry both the message of the Master and the energy inherent in it. > Even a thirsty man may carry water. So those who are sincere will always find those wandering around carrying water in the name of the Master. When they are truly thirsty, they will drink. Until then, they will piss and moan about not being able to find a teacher that is good enough for them. Frankly, Vicki > > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Links > > > / > > b.. > > > c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 , "Michael Bindel" <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > Thank you for this posting > great > michael bindel > - > viorica weissman > > Sunday, February 22, 2004 10:48 AM > Ramana Maharshi - life & teaching are one > > > > Hi Tony & all > > you can't imagine how much I missed Ramana some years ago, > how strongly I used to feel frustrated because > I was born after the time when he was no more and > I couldn't talk physically with him as those devotees > who lived during his time did. > > Of course Tony that no other devotee of his - and I am referring to > all those who are gurus or teachers or today devotees who are > teaching others the same teaching in the name of Ramana Maharshi > or as springing from themselves - what does it actually > matter? - so , of course Tony that no other teacher or devotee of > his that we might encounter during our life is not and cannot > be Ramana Maharshi. Are you coming here in this Internet > world and expect any of us to be him? Nobody is Ramana Maharshi > here, Tony. Even if one realizes the Self and shares this with > everybody, that's fine, let him/her live happily in the world, > but that equanimity, that compassion, that life without any trace > of shadow and doubt, that worldly perfection in everything, > no touch of money also, no meat eating also, divine detachment > of anything worldly,absolute honesty so on; > > Tony, what do you expect?! > This was Ramana Maharshi as the being that interacted with > others, are you expecting from his devotees to be like him? > they can't, Tony, they are not like him, they are like themselves. > One like him comes on earth maybe once in a thousand years to give > us the complete final teaching: about Self-realization and about > behaving in the world. It is a package, Tony, an undivided package: > life and teaching are one. I know of no one today who can do this. > You found Ramana Maharshi, you don't need anybody to explain to > you anything from the scriptures because you have the capacity > to understand everything with nobody's help - what more do you > need? Us to be the loving, compassionate, perfect incarnation of > Self and God that Ramana Maharshi was?! We can't, Tony, > nobody can, leave it alone that such a perfection is not man made > and mind made but Grace itself, unasked, unsought, unthought. > > Ah Tony, Ramana heard that I longed so much to hear him! > And He answered, God bless and thank all creation for it! > > Ramana has gone and is here, > > vicki Namaste Vicki, You seem to have misunderstood what I was saying earlier about Sadhana, Vndists etc. First of all only a Jivanmukta can definately recognise another/himself. However there are points that indicate if a person hasn't reached that goal. Even these are probabilities. We can only use the words of a Mukta which, I take a guess Ramana was. The two points I used of his were that vegetarianism was required for yoga or union, and that if a guru is advocating a lot of activity then ---take a stronger look so to speak. Speaking in the language of a Mukta/Guru doesn't make one a Mukta. A walking recorder, or library, perhaps but that's all. IMO there are very few obvious Muktas althought the unknown housewife down your street may be one. Even many of those thought to be Muktas in many cases were Avatars/Bhodisattvas, which is the last step anyway. For example take Jeheshua/Jesus, is he a Mukta, an Avatar or a Bhodisattva? He no doubt was a Karana Janma as the Indians call him, or someone who wasn't born karmically but volunteered the birth, for a purpose. His was to teach Love and that there was no Death, and perhaps like many yogis he took on the sins or karmic debt of many at his execution. What is the difference between Jesus being a Mukta and being a Bodhisattva, the retaining of one thought to be reborn to help that's all. For he like the Buddha had overcome. Meher Baba says people will soon know who Jesus was. However these lists are for diversion, learning perhaps and discussion. So we discuss what the teachers have said. 99.99999% of so called realised people are no more realised than myself, and I may just be a talking book. If people wish to discuss what is necessary for achieveing Yoga/Moksha we can only repeat what the probable Muktas said. Ramana saying the Who am I? is a lot more than that as he indicates, purifications is necessary as Jesus said 'Be ye perfect as my Father in Heaven is perfect'. So unless we eliminate every single residual ego thought there is no Moksha for one thought causes rebirth for a Bodhisattva never mind us. The proces of Nan Yar or Who am I, is a feeling a blending a merging with the Universal Sakti, of hanging on to no thought. It in fact is a whole process of purification not of an intellectual exercise. If it, was everyone who has read Ramana and understood would now be realised, but they are not they are here writing to each other creating more thoughts. Cayce list a lot of the lives of Jesus and many of them are great Saints, but he still was being reborn! According to Nisargadatta's formula. who may or may not have been a Mukta, there are about 60,000 people on the planet who even understand non-duality intellectually, never mind realise it. Many other intellectuals think they understand, but unless one has had a true High Samahdi one cannot understand or appreciate only speculate. So the world is replete with gurus who aren't Sadgurus and others who are only authors and writers expounding their own need and samskara to inform others. All purely ego satisfaction just like writing on these forums. If I were realised no one would know me or of me. In the meantime this is a forum of entertainment and discussion, and we cannot read any deeper into it for it is a personal experience even on here. I do know that I haven't read anywhere in Vedic tradition were one can be realised without compassion and Ahimsa, so eating meat for example just shows an underdeveloped vijnanamayakos that's it. Lot of real Who am I? sadhana would purify the kosa.....In the meantime let not take life seriously hahhaahh..........ONS...Tony/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: >> > Hi Tony & all > > > > you can't imagine how much I missed Ramana some years ago, > > how strongly I used to feel frustrated because > > I was born after the time when he was no more and > > I couldn't talk physically with him as those devotees > > who lived during his time did. > > > > Of course Tony that no other devotee of his - and I am > referring to > > all those who are gurus or teachers or today devotees who are > > teaching others the same teaching in the name of Ramana > Maharshi > > or as springing from themselves - what does it actually > > matter? - so , of course Tony that no other teacher or devotee > of > > his that we might encounter during our life is not and cannot > > be Ramana Maharshi. Are you coming here in this Internet > > world and expect any of us to be him? Nobody is Ramana Maharshi > > here, Tony. Even if one realizes the Self and shares this with > > everybody, that's fine, let him/her live happily in the world, > > but that equanimity, that compassion, that life without any > trace > > of shadow and doubt, that worldly perfection in everything, > > no touch of money also, no meat eating also, divine detachment > > of anything worldly,absolute honesty so on; > > > > Tony, what do you expect?! > > This was Ramana Maharshi as the being that interacted with > > others, are you expecting from his devotees to be like him? > > they can't, Tony, they are not like him, they are like > themselves. > > One like him comes on earth maybe once in a thousand years to > give > > us the complete final teaching: about Self-realization and > about > > behaving in the world. It is a package, Tony, an undivided > package: > > life and teaching are one. I know of no one today who can do > this. > > > > Ah Tony, Ramana heard that I longed so much to hear him! > > And He answered, God bless and thank all creation for it! > > > > Ramana has gone and is here, Namaste Vicki again, The expression Raman is gone and is here is perhaps not strictly true. It is as true as Jesus saying wherever people congregate in my name I will be there. If Ramana and Jesus weare Muktas they can't be anywhere, they are merged into the One. Hwever if they are not Muktas and are Bhodisattvas residing in the highest Brahamaloka awaiting rebirth or Pralaya then they can be present in their subtle bodies. Otherwise the presence is the same as Krishna, it is the caitanya kutastha or Christ Consciousness--------------Sakti that is present not the names or beings mentioned...........ONS...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 here is here a pretty all-inclusive place if you think you have to go there to get here well thats what you think love love love --- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: > , "Tony OClery" > <aoclery> > wrote: > >> > Hi Tony & all > > > > > > you can't imagine how much I missed Ramana > some years ago, > > > how strongly I used to feel frustrated > because > > > I was born after the time when he was no > more and > > > I couldn't talk physically with him as those > devotees > > > who lived during his time did. > > > > > > Of course Tony that no other devotee of his > - and I am > > referring to > > > all those who are gurus or teachers or today > devotees who > are > > > teaching others the same teaching in the > name of Ramana > > Maharshi > > > or as springing from themselves - what does > it actually > > > matter? - so , of course Tony that no other > teacher or > devotee > > of > > > his that we might encounter during our life > is not and > cannot > > > be Ramana Maharshi. Are you coming here in > this Internet > > > world and expect any of us to be him? Nobody > is Ramana > Maharshi > > > here, Tony. Even if one realizes the Self > and shares this > with > > > everybody, that's fine, let him/her live > happily in the > world, > > > but that equanimity, that compassion, that > life without any > > trace > > > of shadow and doubt, that worldly perfection > in everything, > > > no touch of money also, no meat eating also, > divine > detachment > > > of anything worldly,absolute honesty so on; > > > > > > Tony, what do you expect?! > > > This was Ramana Maharshi as the being that > interacted with > > > others, are you expecting from his devotees > to be like him? > > > they can't, Tony, they are not like him, > they are like > > themselves. > > > One like him comes on earth maybe once in a > thousand years > to > > give > > > us the complete final teaching: about > Self-realization and > > about > > > behaving in the world. It is a package, > Tony, an undivided > > package: > > > life and teaching are one. I know of no one > today who can do > > this. > > > > > > Ah Tony, Ramana heard that I longed so much > to hear him! > > > And He answered, God bless and thank all > creation for it! > > > > > > Ramana has gone and is here, > > Namaste Vicki again, > > The expression Raman is gone and is here is perhaps > not strictly > true. It is as true as Jesus saying wherever people > congregate in my > name I will be there. > If Ramana and Jesus weare Muktas they can't be > anywhere, they are > merged into the One. Hwever if they are not Muktas > and are > Bhodisattvas residing in the highest Brahamaloka > awaiting rebirth or > Pralaya then they can be present in their subtle > bodies. Otherwise > the presence is the same as Krishna, it is the > caitanya kutastha or > Christ Consciousness--------------Sakti that is > present not the > names or beings mentioned...........ONS...> > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > > Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam./tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 To whoever wrote this message ......... because michael bindel seemingly is confused by this "Vickygame" who is who???????? nevertheless To everybody who is interested in my opinion: I completely agree with the content of this message!!!! Love to all of are reading this michael bindel P.S. because there are so many MICHAELS on this list I have to write this long form signature LOL - viorica weissman Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:02 PM Re: Ramana Maharshi - life & teaching are one Dear Vicki,I think we could say that we all carry water and we all are thirsty in the same time; I don't think that I took this merit from you or your teacher or anybody else by this post nor I intended to,and your love for your teacher is a touching thing to me; So it is my love for Ramana Maharshi. As you felt inclined to defend your teacher so I felt inclined to defend Ramana Maharshi's teaching from being kind of borrowed by so many teachers now on the Internet. There is no lineage, there has never been, and whoever teaches the same teaching as Ramana Maharshi can't do it other then standing by himself/herself, alone. In this particular case - Ramana Maharshi - his devotees know he is not and cannot be replaced and his words cannot be put in our mouth. It is because one who understands the greatness of Ramana canot but be silenced and his words are holy for such a aone and one wouldn't dare use them in his name.You see how many devotees take care to register as accurate as possible the teaching in his own words ever since he left the word. If any other human being happens to have had the same experience and has the same statements to communicate to their fellow men, that's fine, we are all water carriers and water, and each of us can stand by himself\herself and offer another thirsty being to drink from his own water bucket if it is his\her destiny to offer water. It is that Ramana Maharshi as a teacher, a guru, a master has no lineage and those who want to drink his water can do it directly from him, and those who want to drink other teachers'water can drink it from them, and those who are offering the water are not aware thatthey are offering water to thirsty people, they just can't help doing it,vicki > My teacher removed his personality long before he died so that the teachings would survive. A couple of comments. Some people think only Jesus Christ Himself could give them the teachings. They fail to realize that a disciple may carry both the message of the Master and the energy inherent in it.> >> > Even a thirsty man may carry water.> > So those who are sincere will always find those wandering around carrying water in the name of the Master. When they are truly thirsty, they will drink. Until then, they will piss and moan about not being able to find a teacher that is good enough for them.> > Frankly, Vicki/join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 I agree michael bindel - skiplaurel Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:48 PM Re: Ramana Maharshi - life & teaching are one >snip> Ramana has gone and is here, >> vicki>From Vicki #2My teacher removed his personality long before he died so that the teachings would survive. A couple of comments. Some people think only Jesus Christ Himself could give them the teachings. They fail to realize that a disciple may carry both the message of the Master and the energy inherent in it.>Even a thirsty man may carry water.So those who are sincere will always find those wandering around carrying water in the name of the Master. When they are truly thirsty, they will drink. Until then, they will piss and moan about not being able to find a teacher that is good enough for them.Frankly, Vicki> >>>> /join>> >> >> "Love itself is the actual form of God.">> Sri Ramana>> In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma>>> Groups Sponsor> > > > >>> > Links>> a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:> /> > b.. > > > c.. Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service./join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote to Vicki: Hi Tony... > You seem to have misunderstood what I was saying earlier about > Sadhana, Vndists etc. First of all only a Jivanmukta can definately > recognise another/himself. However there are points that indicate if > a person hasn't reached that goal. Even these are probabilities. We > can only use the words of a Mukta which, I take a guess Ramana was. > The two points I used of his were that vegetarianism was required > for yoga or union, >and that if a guru is advocating a lot of > activity then ---take a stronger look so to speak. > Speaking in the language of a Mukta/Guru doesn't make one a Mukta. A > walking recorder, or library, perhaps but that's all. IMO there are > very few obvious Muktas althought the unknown housewife down your > street may be one. Even many of those thought to be Muktas in many > cases were Avatars/Bhodisattvas, which is the last step anyway. > For example take Jeheshua/Jesus, is he a Mukta, an Avatar or a > Bhodisattva? He no doubt was a Karana Janma as the Indians call him, > or someone who wasn't born karmically but volunteered the birth, for > a purpose. His was to teach Love and that there was no Death, and > perhaps like many yogis he took on the sins or karmic debt of many > at his execution. What is the difference between Jesus being a Mukta > and being a Bodhisattva, the retaining of one thought to be reborn > to help that's all. For he like the Buddha had overcome. > Meher Baba says people will soon know who Jesus was. > However these lists are for diversion, learning perhaps and > discussion. So we discuss what the teachers have said. 99.99999% of > so called realised people are no more realised than myself, and I > may just be a talking book. > If people wish to discuss what is necessary for achieveing > Yoga/Moksha we can only repeat what the probable Muktas said. Ramana > saying the Who am I? is a lot more than that as he indicates, > purifications is necessary as Jesus said 'Be ye perfect as my Father > in Heaven is perfect'. > > So unless we eliminate every single residual ego thought there is no > Moksha for one thought causes rebirth for a Bodhisattva never mind > us. Is it possible that "be ye perfect as my father..." means being pure Love (being that God is Love)? Maybe that is all the purification we need... just being ourself. The proces of Nan Yar or Who am I, is a feeling a blending a > merging with the Universal Sakti, of hanging on to no thought. It in > fact is a whole process of purification not of an intellectual > exercise. If it, was everyone who has read Ramana and understood > would now be realised, but they are not they are here writing to > each other creating more thoughts. > Cayce list a lot of the lives of Jesus and many of them are great > Saints, but he still was being reborn! But like you stated, it's possible he chose to come back. > According to Nisargadatta's formula. who may or may not have been a > Mukta, there are about 60,000 people on the planet who even > understand non-duality intellectually, never mind realise it. Many > other intellectuals think they understand, but unless one has had a > true High Samahdi one cannot understand or appreciate only speculate. > So the world is replete with gurus who aren't Sadgurus and others > who are only authors and writers expounding their own need and > samskara to inform others. All purely ego satisfaction just like > writing on these forums. Sharing with each other, whether here or in person or in a book, is a form of love -- an actual extension of love, not ego. Only the ego would say sharing is of the ego! I'm glad you are here sharing your knowledge with all of us -- I've learned a lot from you over the years. I've recently tried to order a sanscrit dictionary to help me better understand your discussions, but couldn't get it off Amazon for some reason. I>f I were realised no one would know me or > of me. That's not true Tony, unless you just dropped from the face of the earth on purpose to go meditate in a cave. What do you think you'd be doing -- playing a harp in heaven? LOL Are you saying Ramana wasn't realized? We certainly know him or of him. That doesn't make sense. Please clarify if I interpreted what you said in error. In the meantime this is a forum of entertainment and > discussion, and we cannot read any deeper into it for it is a > personal experience even on here. > I do know that I haven't read anywhere in Vedic tradition were one > can be realised without compassion and Ahimsa, so eating meat for > example just shows an underdeveloped vijnanamayakos that's it. Lot > of real Who am I? sadhana would purify the kosa.....In the meantime > let not take life seriously hahhaahh..........ONS...Tony/ Being realized doesn't require anything of the body or mind. Because everyone is different, some choose to purify/balance the body & mind before realization, and others can choose to afterwards. It's all a matter of free will. Thanks for all your posts. You are quite helpful to me! Love, xxxtg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Dear friend in Sangha sorry to be open and frank whats the use of talking writing so much if this or that "teacher" is "something" or not Do we not have enough "to do" to live that what we really know as "much" or as "few" this might be????????? If you read what Ramana said you really KNOW whats to do!!!!!! Keep to yourself and when you are "enlightened" you will know!!!!!! Fullstop. Regarding Jeshu isnt it quit funny that there is not any proof of his "existence"????? To understand "him" you have to reached a certain level of persecution yourself in this life. You have to have reached a certain level of understanding what real love is and to have gone thru "hell" to get "clean" and afterwards to have lived in this way LOVE IS THAT WHAT IS GD Fullstop Friends who is paying attention at all whats going now outside in "the world" The signs are so clear to understand for those who are ready to hear Regarding the new film of Gibson oh Gsh today I saw a little piece of this "hate film" oh Gsh if they would have shown a film of one crucified jewish child by christians during the Holocaust ONLY ONE that would be something "new" now a wave of virulent antisemit accidents have to happen and we cannot say like so many before us we did not know it and its all written in the Bible for those who understand it There is no much time left for humanity anymore so please friends pay attention to your own way live what you know 24hours a day till you pass this will bring you peace happiness and finally you will be able to receive and transmit love sorry for having disturbed you my love for the great RAMANA and my eternal gratitude for the happiness "he" helped me to gain is "so great" that to remain quiet is "too much" for me or I am as always too stupid to get it...... nevertheless I thank you all for the gift being with you and please excuse me I write in this forum only "intuitive" that means my intellect (sorry to state around 150) is now finally in "pension" it has given up and surrender to higher levels LOL hugs michael bindel - teegee555 Wednesday, February 25, 2004 9:35 AM Re: Ramana Maharshi - life & teaching are one , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote to Vicki:Hi Tony...> You seem to have misunderstood what I was saying earlier about > Sadhana, Vndists etc. First of all only a Jivanmukta can definately > recognise another/himself. However there are points that indicate if > a person hasn't reached that goal. Even these are probabilities. We > can only use the words of a Mukta which, I take a guess Ramana was.> The two points I used of his were that vegetarianism was required > for yoga or union, >and that if a guru is advocating a lot of > activity then ---take a stronger look so to speak.> Speaking in the language of a Mukta/Guru doesn't make one a Mukta. A > walking recorder, or library, perhaps but that's all. IMO there are > very few obvious Muktas althought the unknown housewife down your > street may be one. Even many of those thought to be Muktas in many > cases were Avatars/Bhodisattvas, which is the last step anyway.> For example take Jeheshua/Jesus, is he a Mukta, an Avatar or a > Bhodisattva? He no doubt was a Karana Janma as the Indians call him, > or someone who wasn't born karmically but volunteered the birth, for > a purpose. His was to teach Love and that there was no Death, and > perhaps like many yogis he took on the sins or karmic debt of many > at his execution. What is the difference between Jesus being a Mukta > and being a Bodhisattva, the retaining of one thought to be reborn > to help that's all. For he like the Buddha had overcome.> Meher Baba says people will soon know who Jesus was.> However these lists are for diversion, learning perhaps and > discussion. So we discuss what the teachers have said. 99.99999% of > so called realised people are no more realised than myself, and I > may just be a talking book.> If people wish to discuss what is necessary for achieveing > Yoga/Moksha we can only repeat what the probable Muktas said. Ramana > saying the Who am I? is a lot more than that as he indicates, > purifications is necessary as Jesus said 'Be ye perfect as my Father > in Heaven is perfect'. > > So unless we eliminate every single residual ego thought there is no > Moksha for one thought causes rebirth for a Bodhisattva never mind > us. Is it possible that "be ye perfect as my father..." means being pure Love (being that God is Love)? Maybe that is all the purification we need... just being ourself. The proces of Nan Yar or Who am I, is a feeling a blending a > merging with the Universal Sakti, of hanging on to no thought. It in > fact is a whole process of purification not of an intellectual > exercise. If it, was everyone who has read Ramana and understood > would now be realised, but they are not they are here writing to > each other creating more thoughts.> Cayce list a lot of the lives of Jesus and many of them are great > Saints, but he still was being reborn!But like you stated, it's possible he chose to come back. > According to Nisargadatta's formula. who may or may not have been a > Mukta, there are about 60,000 people on the planet who even > understand non-duality intellectually, never mind realise it. Many > other intellectuals think they understand, but unless one has had a > true High Samahdi one cannot understand or appreciate only speculate.> So the world is replete with gurus who aren't Sadgurus and others > who are only authors and writers expounding their own need and > samskara to inform others. All purely ego satisfaction just like > writing on these forums.Sharing with each other, whether here or in person or in a book, is a form of love -- an actual extension of love, not ego. Only the ego would say sharing is of the ego! I'm glad you are here sharing your knowledge with all of us -- I've learned a lot from you over the years. I've recently tried to order a sanscrit dictionary to help me better understand your discussions, but couldn't get it off Amazon for some reason.I>f I were realised no one would know me or > of me. That's not true Tony, unless you just dropped from the face of the earth on purpose to go meditate in a cave. What do you think you'd be doing -- playing a harp in heaven? LOL Are you saying Ramana wasn't realized? We certainly know him or of him. That doesn't make sense. Please clarify if I interpreted what you said in error.In the meantime this is a forum of entertainment and > discussion, and we cannot read any deeper into it for it is a > personal experience even on here.> I do know that I haven't read anywhere in Vedic tradition were one > can be realised without compassion and Ahimsa, so eating meat for > example just shows an underdeveloped vijnanamayakos that's it. Lot > of real Who am I? sadhana would purify the kosa.....In the meantime > let not take life seriously hahhaahh..........ONS...Tony/Being realized doesn't require anything of the body or mind. Because everyone is different, some choose to purify/balance the body & mind before realization, and others can choose to afterwards. It's all a matter of free will. Thanks for all your posts. You are quite helpful to me! Love,xxxtg/join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 , "teegee555" <Teegee555@a...> wrote: > , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> > wrote to Vicki: > Namaste TG et al, Being Realised is difficult but simple. It is just dropping the mind, and as the mind is thought; all thought. Then one becomes Love or Sakti. However one has to purify the samskaras vasanas to be rid of thought. If one uses Who am I? it is a method, that subsumes all thought as the ego creator of individual thought is subsumed into the Sakti and realises Saguna and Nirguna immediately. Purification is necessary and a pre requisite. Be ye perfect as my Father in Heaven is perfect-----Yoga...ONS.. I would take a punt that Ramana was a Mukta....Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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