Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Dear Friends of the Sangha: My beloved father has passed away. I had visited him several times over the last three months and spent time sitting with him and reading the Bhagavad Gita to him and chanting his favorite mantras. He could not speak or move much but could hear. He communicated by nodding slightly and moving his eyebrows. I last saw him last week on Tuesday morning and sat down and held his hand. The staff had just finished dialysis. I chanted the gayatri 36 times. I told my father how much I loved him and how proud I was of him. I repeated those sentiments in different ways. "These last three months that you have been lying here meditating have been your Tapasya," I said to him in Punjabi. "It is nothing less than going into a cave and meditating intensely." I said many other things to him which were similar and told him that when he left the body his soul would be like a rocket and go straight to heaven. He nodded and then closed his eyes and dozed off. Dialysis always left him very tired. I kissed his hand and said "God bless you father, God bless you. That is the last time I saw my father. Love to all Harsha ===== /join Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam./tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > Dear Friends of the Sangha: > > My beloved father has passed away. > > I had visited him several times over the last three > months and spent time sitting with him and reading the > Bhagavad Gita to him and chanting his favorite > mantras. He could not speak or move much but could > hear. He communicated by nodding slightly and moving > his eyebrows. > > I last saw him last week on Tuesday morning and sat > down and held his hand. The staff had just finished > dialysis. I chanted the gayatri 36 times. I told my > father how much I loved him and how proud I was of > him. I repeated those sentiments in different ways. > "These last three months that you have been lying here > meditating have been your Tapasya," I said to him in > Punjabi. "It is nothing less than going into a cave > and meditating intensely." I said many other things to > him which were similar and told him that when he left > the body his soul would be like a rocket and go > straight to heaven. He nodded and then closed his eyes > and dozed off. Dialysis always left him very tired. > > I kissed his hand and said "God bless you father, God > bless you. > > That is the last time I saw my father. > > Love to all > Harsha Namaste Harsha, You have my condolences in your loss. I see you didn't lose your belief system it will be useful now. I will add your father to my pre meditation list of people that have moved over, it is getting longer and longer and there is a lesson in even that. As you know nothing we can say will help, only your own understanding, which will also help your father right now. Pardon me for saying this but, he will hang around for the funeral sraddha etc before taking the second death and moving up the planes to happiness......OM Namah Sivaya.......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 At 04:08 PM 2/24/2004 -0800, Harsha wrote: >Dear Friends of the Sangha: > >My beloved father has passed away. .... This is very sweet. This is a beautiful example that an important passing can be experienced with love, tenderness, sweetness and acceptance. --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > Dear Friends of the Sangha: > > My beloved father has passed away. > > I had visited him several times over the last three > months and spent time sitting with him and reading the > Bhagavad Gita to him and chanting his favorite > mantras. He could not speak or move much but could > hear. He communicated by nodding slightly and moving > his eyebrows. > > I last saw him last week on Tuesday morning and sat > down and held his hand. The staff had just finished > dialysis. I chanted the gayatri 36 times. I told my > father how much I loved him and how proud I was of > him. I repeated those sentiments in different ways. > "These last three months that you have been lying here > meditating have been your Tapasya," I said to him in > Punjabi. "It is nothing less than going into a cave > and meditating intensely." I said many other things to > him which were similar and told him that when he left > the body his soul would be like a rocket and go > straight to heaven. He nodded and then closed his eyes > and dozed off. Dialysis always left him very tired. > > I kissed his hand and said "God bless you father, God > bless you. > > That is the last time I saw my father. > > Love to all > Harsha > > Ah, you were and are such a good son, Harshaji. Your father knew how deeply you loved him. I bow my head for both of you. Vicki Woodyard > > > ===== > /join > > > > > > > > > > Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam./tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Dearest Harshaji: Tears for your pain, and joy for your father's gain. OMTryambakam yajamaheSugandhim pushtivardhanam;Urvaarukamiva bandhanaan-Mrityormuksheeya maamritaat. OM, shaantiH, shaantiH, shaantiH Love, Joyce - Harsha Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:08 PM My father has passed away Dear Friends of the Sangha:My beloved father has passed away.I had visited him several times over the last threemonths and spent time sitting with him and reading theBhagavad Gita to him and chanting his favoritemantras. He could not speak or move much but couldhear. He communicated by nodding slightly and movinghis eyebrows.I last saw him last week on Tuesday morning and satdown and held his hand. The staff had just finisheddialysis. I chanted the gayatri 36 times. I told myfather how much I loved him and how proud I was ofhim. I repeated those sentiments in different ways."These last three months that you have been lying heremeditating have been your Tapasya," I said to him inPunjabi. "It is nothing less than going into a caveand meditating intensely." I said many other things tohim which were similar and told him that when he leftthe body his soul would be like a rocket and gostraight to heaven. He nodded and then closed his eyesand dozed off. Dialysis always left him very tired. I kissed his hand and said "God bless you father, Godbless you. That is the last time I saw my father.Love to allHarsha=====/join Magazine and Website is atDo you ? Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.http://antispam./tools/join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 , Gregory Goode <goode@D...> wrote: > > At 04:08 PM 2/24/2004 -0800, Harsha wrote: Dear Harsha Ji, > >Dear Friends of the Sangha: > > > >My beloved father has passed away. > > ... > > This is very sweet. This is a beautiful example that an important passing can be experienced with love, tenderness, sweetness and acceptance. > > --Greg -I am sending my sympaties and love, Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > Dear Friends of the Sangha: > > My beloved father has passed away. > > I had visited him several times over the last three > months and spent time sitting with him and reading the > Bhagavad Gita to him and chanting his favorite > mantras. He could not speak or move much but could > hear. He communicated by nodding slightly and moving > his eyebrows. > > I last saw him last week on Tuesday morning and sat > down and held his hand. The staff had just finished > dialysis. I chanted the gayatri 36 times. I told my > father how much I loved him and how proud I was of > him. I repeated those sentiments in different ways. > "These last three months that you have been lying here > meditating have been your Tapasya," I said to him in > Punjabi. "It is nothing less than going into a cave > and meditating intensely." I said many other things to > him which were similar and told him that when he left > the body his soul would be like a rocket and go > straight to heaven. He nodded and then closed his eyes > and dozed off. Dialysis always left him very tired. > > I kissed his hand and said "God bless you father, God > bless you. > > That is the last time I saw my father. > > Love to all > Harsha Dearest Brother Harshaji: You have been and are a great example for me in your love of life, and in many other ways. As a people we do love each other and we especially know this when we see a beautiful passing filled with love and respect. God bless you and your family. Love, Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 thanks for writing about your father. I feel close to your heart. Wishing you joy in the change that comes from letting go. DirkHarsha <harshaimtm > wrote: Dear Friends of the Sangha:My beloved father has passed away.I had visited him several times over the last threemonths and spent time sitting with him and reading theBhagavad Gita to him and chanting his favoritemantras. He could not speak or move much but couldhear. He communicated by nodding slightly and movinghis eyebrows.I last saw him last week on Tuesday morning and satdown and held his hand. The staff had just finisheddialysis. I chanted the gayatri 36 times. I told myfather how much I loved him and how proud I was ofhim. I repeated those sentiments in different ways."These last three months that you have been lying heremeditating have been your Tapasya," I said to him inPunjabi. "It is nothing less than going into a caveand meditating intensely." I said many other things tohim which were similar and told him that when he leftthe body his soul would be like a rocket and gostraight to heaven. He nodded and then closed his eyesand dozed off. Dialysis always left him very tired. I kissed his hand and said "God bless you father, Godbless you. That is the last time I saw my father.Love to allHarsha=====/join Magazine and Website is atDo you ? Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.http://antispam./tools/join Magazine and Website is at"Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 - skiplaurel Wednesday, February 25, 2004 1:48 AM Re: My father has passed away , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote:> Dear Friends of the Sangha:>> My beloved father has passed away.>> I had visited him several times over the last three> months and spent time sitting with him and reading the> Bhagavad Gita to him and chanting his favorite> mantras. He could not speak or move much but could> hear. He communicated by nodding slightly and moving> his eyebrows.>> I last saw him last week on Tuesday morning and sat> down and held his hand. The staff had just finished> dialysis. I chanted the gayatri 36 times. I told my> father how much I loved him and how proud I was of> him. I repeated those sentiments in different ways.> "These last three months that you have been lying here> meditating have been your Tapasya," I said to him in> Punjabi. "It is nothing less than going into a cave> and meditating intensely." I said many other things to> him which were similar and told him that when he left> the body his soul would be like a rocket and go> straight to heaven. He nodded and then closed his eyes> and dozed off. Dialysis always left him very tired.>> I kissed his hand and said "God bless you father, God> bless you.>> That is the last time I saw my father.>> Love to all> Harsha>>Ah, you were and are such a good son, Harshaji. Your father knew how deeply you loved him. I bow my head for both of you.Vicki Woodyard I cannot say it any better. What a blessing for both of you and for us to be able to relive it a bit with you. Love from Sam.> >> =====> /join>>> >>> >> > > Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.> http://antispam./tools/join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Dear Harsha, Sorry to hear about your loss. Maybe these words offer some relief: Ramana said on the news of someone's death: "Good. The dead are indeed happy. They have got rid of the troublesome overgrowth - the body. The dead man does not grieve.... Sleep is temporary death, death is temporary sleep. I the man dies while yet alive, he need not grieve over others' death. One's existence is evident with or without the body. Why then should one desire continuance of the bodily shackles?" Talks, p. 71 Regards Christina On Feb 25, 2004, at 01:08, Harsha wrote: > Dear Friends of the Sangha: > > My beloved father has passed away. > > I had visited him several times over the last three > months and spent time sitting with him and reading the > Bhagavad Gita to him and chanting his favorite > mantras. He could not speak or move much but could > hear. He communicated by nodding slightly and moving > his eyebrows. > > I last saw him last week on Tuesday morning and sat > down and held his hand. The staff had just finished > dialysis. I chanted the gayatri 36 times. I told my > father how much I loved him and how proud I was of > him. I repeated those sentiments in different ways. > "These last three months that you have been lying here > meditating have been your Tapasya," I said to him in > Punjabi. "It is nothing less than going into a cave > and meditating intensely." I said many other things to > him which were similar and told him that when he left > the body his soul would be like a rocket and go > straight to heaven. He nodded and then closed his eyes > and dozed off. Dialysis always left him very tired. > > I kissed his hand and said "God bless you father, God > bless you. > > That is the last time I saw my father. > > Love to all > Harsha > > > > > ===== > /join > > > > > > > > > > Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam./tools > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > Links > > • > / > > • > > > • Terms of > Service. > > Monsoonhouse Int. Kovalam/Kerala contact: christianecameron Attachment: (text/enriched) [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Dear Harsha: Please accept my deepest sympathy and heart-felt sorrow over the loss of your beloved father. There is so much I would like to offer and can only hope that this small gesture of love and caring might ease whatever sorrows you may have with this loss. respectfully, jim rich , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > Dear Friends of the Sangha: > > My beloved father has passed away. > > I had visited him several times over the last three > months and spent time sitting with him and reading the > Bhagavad Gita to him and chanting his favorite > mantras. He could not speak or move much but could > hear. He communicated by nodding slightly and moving > his eyebrows. > > I last saw him last week on Tuesday morning and sat > down and held his hand. The staff had just finished > dialysis. I chanted the gayatri 36 times. I told my > father how much I loved him and how proud I was of > him. I repeated those sentiments in different ways. > "These last three months that you have been lying here > meditating have been your Tapasya," I said to him in > Punjabi. "It is nothing less than going into a cave > and meditating intensely." I said many other things to > him which were similar and told him that when he left > the body his soul would be like a rocket and go > straight to heaven. He nodded and then closed his eyes > and dozed off. Dialysis always left him very tired. > > I kissed his hand and said "God bless you father, God > bless you. > > That is the last time I saw my father. > > Love to all > Harsha > > > > > ===== > /join > > > > > > > > > > Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam./tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Sorry to hear about the news of your beloved father . Please accept my heart felt condolences . May his Soul rest in peace With Love DoraHarsha <harshaimtm > wrote: Dear Friends of the Sangha:My beloved father has passed away.I had visited him several times over the last threemonths and spent time sitting with him and reading theBhagavad Gita to him and chanting his favoritemantras. He could not speak or move much but couldhear. He communicated by nodding slightly and movinghis eyebrows.I last saw him last week on Tuesday morning and satdown and held his hand. The staff had just finisheddialysis. I chanted the gayatri 36 times. I told myfather how much I loved him and how proud I was ofhim. I repeated those sentiments in different ways."These last three months that you have been lying heremeditating have been your Tapasya," I said to him inPunjabi. "It is nothing less than going into a caveand meditating intensely." I said many other things tohim which were similar and told him that when he leftthe body his soul would be like a rocket and gostraight to heaven. He nodded and then closed his eyesand dozed off. Dialysis always left him very tired. I kissed his hand and said "God bless you father, Godbless you. That is the last time I saw my father.Love to allHarsha=====/join Magazine and Website is atDo you ? Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.http://antispam./tools/join "Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:/<*> To from this group, send an email to:<*> Your use of Groups is subject to: India Insurance Special: Be informed on the best policies, services, tools and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Harshaji Thank You for all that you share and what you stand for. Bless you and your family. Love and Gratitude, James Hari Om - Harsha Shanti Harsha Om Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 , swathi dora <doraksp> wrote: > Dear Harsha, > Sorry to hear about the news of your beloved father . Please accept my heart felt condolences . May his Soul rest in peace > With Love > Dora These are my feelings too my gentle friend Harsha. I will pray that your grief for the loss of his physical presence be short and that you find only happiness and warm love in your memories. My own father has such a place in my heart, the greif still there sometimes though sweeter with time. love, Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > Dear Friends of the Sangha: My beloved father has passed away. I kissed his hand and said "God bless you father, God bless you. That is the last time I saw my father. Love to all Harsha Dearest Harshaji, My deepest condolences in the loss of your father's physical presence. I would wish to lean in closer towards you now, hear what you hear, feel what you feel, understand what you understand... As with your father, to your father, you are a blessing to all of us here at the Sangha. May Peace engulf you and your family. LoveAlways, Mazie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Christina thats it we have to try to live accordingly be embraced michael bindel - christiane cameron Wednesday, February 25, 2004 8:57 AM Re: My father has passed away Dear Harsha,Sorry to hear about your loss. Maybe these words offer some relief:Ramana said on the news of someone's death:"Good. The dead are indeed happy. They have got rid of the troublesome overgrowth - the body. The dead man does not grieve....Sleep is temporary death, death is temporary sleep. I the man dies while yet alive, he need not grieve over others' death. One's existence is evident with or without the body. Why then should one desire continuance of the bodily shackles?"Talks, p. 71RegardsChristinaOn Feb 25, 2004, at 01:08, Harsha wrote: Dear Friends of the Sangha:My beloved father has passed away.I had visited him several times over the last threemonths and spent time sitting with him and reading theBhagavad Gita to him and chanting his favoritemantras. He could not speak or move much but couldhear. He communicated by nodding slightly and movinghis eyebrows.I last saw him last week on Tuesday morning and satdown and held his hand. The staff had just finisheddialysis. I chanted the gayatri 36 times. I told myfather how much I loved him and how proud I was ofhim. I repeated those sentiments in different ways."These last three months that you have been lying heremeditating have been your Tapasya," I said to him inPunjabi. "It is nothing less than going into a caveand meditating intensely." I said many other things tohim which were similar and told him that when he leftthe body his soul would be like a rocket and gostraight to heaven. He nodded and then closed his eyesand dozed off. Dialysis always left him very tired. I kissed his hand and said "God bless you father, Godbless you. That is the last time I saw my father.Love to allHarsha=====/joincolor> Magazine and Website is athttp:/www..comcolor>Do you ? Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.http:/antispam./toolscolor>http://joincolor> http:/www..comcolor>"Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Linkssmaller>• To visit your group on the web, go to:http://color> • To from this group, send an email to:color> • Your use of is subject to the Terms of Servicecolor>.Monsoonhouse Int.KovalamKeralacontact: christianecameron (AT) mac (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Love and blessings to you and your family, Harsha. Your father was blessed to have such a son and I'm sure your being there at his mortal end was a great comfort to him. David At 07:08 PM 2/24/2004, you wrote: >Dear Friends of the Sangha: > >My beloved father has passed away. > >I had visited him several times over the last three >months and spent time sitting with him and reading the >Bhagavad Gita to him and chanting his favorite >mantras. He could not speak or move much but could >hear. He communicated by nodding slightly and moving >his eyebrows. > >I last saw him last week on Tuesday morning and sat >down and held his hand. The staff had just finished >dialysis. I chanted the gayatri 36 times. I told my >father how much I loved him and how proud I was of >him. I repeated those sentiments in different ways. >"These last three months that you have been lying here >meditating have been your Tapasya," I said to him in >Punjabi. "It is nothing less than going into a cave >and meditating intensely." I said many other things to >him which were similar and told him that when he left >the body his soul would be like a rocket and go >straight to heaven. He nodded and then closed his eyes >and dozed off. Dialysis always left him very tired. > >I kissed his hand and said "God bless you father, God >bless you. > >That is the last time I saw my father. > >Love to all >Harsha > > > > >===== >/join > > > Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. >http://antispam./tools > > >/join > > > > > >"Love itself is the actual form of God." > >Sri Ramana > >In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 , christiane cameron <christianecameron@m...> wrote: > Dear Harsha, > > Sorry to hear about your loss. Maybe these words offer some relief: > > Ramana said on the news of someone's death: > > "Good. The dead are indeed happy. They have got rid of the troublesome > overgrowth - the body. The dead man does not grieve.... > Sleep is temporary death, death is temporary sleep. I the man dies > while yet alive, he need not grieve over others' death. One's existence > is evident with or without the body. Why then should one desire > continuance of the bodily shackles?" > Talks, p. 71 > > Regards > > Christina Namaste Christina, Yes I was thinking about this but didn't have it at hand. I'm sure Harsha understands this as many wouldn't. For the Western way is to wallow in self indulgent grief in so many cases. The lower animal will always grieve and that is a release, but continuing on is a Self Indulgence. I am old enough for my father and relatives to have died and be dying also. That is normal and expected. However my biggest shock was when I was only in my twenties and finally thirty years of age, when I lost a child and then a couple of years later my first wife. It was a shock but I remember holding the body of my dead child and 'Saying, if she can do this so can I?' Later I got into philosophy and understood for the first time what I had been taught about Jesus at school overcoming death, and there being do death etc etc. However at the time I had no philosophy or subtleness of mind so I was in shock and grief, and all people's commiserations really didn't help at all. Later on after I had been into Vedanta and meditation for many years a favourite Aunt died, whe was really like a second mother to me, and after her partner was killed fighting the Japanese in Burma, she turned to me as a source of love etc. He got the VC for sacrificing himself to save his men, but he was still dead. I was only a toddler. On getting the news from my cousin, out of the blue, my reaction was different. My wife, who isn'nt into Vedanta etc said to me, 'I hope you grieve a little more than that if I die.' In other words because I had a different aspect on death, I wasn't doing the Western wallowing. I was more stoic from experience and understanding, but I wasn't unmoved. http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/talkingtodeadEilish.htm Thank you for posting that piece of Ramana's, I'm sure if I had it may have been received by others perhaps somewhat differently....ONS...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 On Feb 25, 2004, at 17:49, Tony OClery wrote: > , christiane cameron > <christianecameron@m...> wrote: > > Dear Harsha, > > > > Sorry to hear about your loss. Maybe these words offer some > relief: > > > > Ramana said on the news of someone's death: > > > > "Good. The dead are indeed happy. They have got rid of the > troublesome > > overgrowth - the body. The dead man does not grieve.... > > Sleep is temporary death, death is temporary sleep. I the man dies > > while yet alive, he need not grieve over others' death. One's > existence > > is evident with or without the body. Why then should one desire > > continuance of the bodily shackles?" > > Talks, p. 71 > > > > Regards > > > > Christina > > > Namaste Christina, > > Yes I was thinking about this but didn't have it at hand. > > I'm sure Harsha understands this as many wouldn't. For the Western > way is to wallow in self indulgent grief in so many cases. The lower > animal will always grieve and that is a release, but continuing on > is a Self Indulgence. I am old enough for my father and relatives to > have died and be dying also. That is normal and expected. > > However my biggest shock was when I was only in my twenties and > finally thirty years of age, when I lost a child and then a couple > of years later my first wife. It was a shock but I remember holding > the body of my dead child and 'Saying, if she can do this so can I?' > Later I got into philosophy and understood for the first time what I > had been taught about Jesus at school overcoming death, and there > being do death etc etc. However at the time I had no philosophy or > subtleness of mind so I was in shock and grief, and all people's > commiserations really didn't help at all. > > Later on after I had been into Vedanta and meditation for many years > a favourite Aunt died, whe was really like a second mother to me, > and after her partner was killed fighting the Japanese in Burma, she > turned to me as a source of love etc. He got the VC for sacrificing > himself to save his men, but he was still dead. I was only a toddler. > On getting the news from my cousin, out of the blue, my reaction was > different. My wife, who isn'nt into Vedanta etc said to me, 'I hope > you grieve a little more than that if I die.' In other words because > I had a different aspect on death, I wasn't doing the Western > wallowing. I was more stoic from experience and understanding, but I > wasn't unmoved. > > http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/talkingtodeadEilish.htm > > Thank you for posting that piece of Ramana's, I'm sure if I had it > may have been received by others perhaps somewhat > differently....ONS...Tony Dear Tony, My pleasure. some people among the neo-advaitins seem to think that living by Bhagawan's words and accepting things as they come means to be without compassion. That is not true at all. Compassion is always there, much more than before walking the Path. As you say yourself, you were not unmoved. I found that my loved ones live on inside me. This was even before I found the Mountain Path. My father and my best friend died and to me it felt as if they were no longer apart from me. I would hear their voice and I would communicate with them. It was as if my being was enlarged, as if they were added on to me. Its a bit difficult to describe, but very comforting. Its live non-duality, I know that now, but only felt it then. I am sad to hear about your child's premature death. That is the worst to bear. When elders die it is somehow natural that they should leave before us. A child is different. No more words. sincerely, Chris > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > > > > Links > > • > / > > • > > > • Terms of > Service. > > Monsoonhouse Int. Kovalam/Kerala contact: christianecameron Attachment: (text/enriched) [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 May I send condolences from the north. Alan Attachment: (image/jpeg) DSCF0027d.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Christiana the beloved ones live in ourselves being "alive" or being "dead" experiencing this and accepting it IS IT thank you for your posting michael bindel - christiane cameron Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:43 PM Re: Re: My father has passed away On Feb 25, 2004, at 17:49, Tony OClery wrote: , christiane cameron <christianecameron@m...> wrote:> Dear Harsha,> > Sorry to hear about your loss. Maybe these words offer some relief:> > Ramana said on the news of someone's death:> > "Good. The dead are indeed happy. They have got rid of the troublesome> overgrowth - the body. The dead man does not grieve....> Sleep is temporary death, death is temporary sleep. I the man dies > while yet alive, he need not grieve over others' death. One's existence > is evident with or without the body. Why then should one desire > continuance of the bodily shackles?"> Talks, p. 71> > Regards> > ChristinaNamaste Christina,Yes I was thinking about this but didn't have it at hand. I'm sure Harsha understands this as many wouldn't. For the Western way is to wallow in self indulgent grief in so many cases. The lower animal will always grieve and that is a release, but continuing on is a Self Indulgence. I am old enough for my father and relatives to have died and be dying also. That is normal and expected.However my biggest shock was when I was only in my twenties and finally thirty years of age, when I lost a child and then a couple of years later my first wife. It was a shock but I remember holding the body of my dead child and 'Saying, if she can do this so can I?'Later I got into philosophy and understood for the first time what I had been taught about Jesus at school overcoming death, and there being do death etc etc. However at the time I had no philosophy or subtleness of mind so I was in shock and grief, and all people's commiserations really didn't help at all.Later on after I had been into Vedanta and meditation for many years a favourite Aunt died, whe was really like a second mother to me, and after her partner was killed fighting the Japanese in Burma, she turned to me as a source of love etc. He got the VC for sacrificinghimself to save his men, but he was still dead. I was only a toddler.On getting the news from my cousin, out of the blue, my reaction was different. My wife, who isn'nt into Vedanta etc said to me, 'I hope you grieve a little more than that if I die.' In other words because I had a different aspect on death, I wasn't doing the Western wallowing. I was more stoic from experience and understanding, but I wasn't unmoved.http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/talkingtodeadEilish.htmcolor>Thank you for posting that piece of Ramana's, I'm sure if I had it may have been received by others perhaps somewhat differently....ONS...TonyDear Tony,My pleasure.some people among the neo-advaitins seem to think that living by Bhagawan's words and accepting things as they come means to be without compassion. That is not true at all. Compassion is always there, much more than before walking the Path. As you say yourself, you were not unmoved.I found that my loved ones live on inside me. This was even before I found the Mountain Path. My father and my best friend died and to me it felt as if they were no longer apart from me. I would hear their voice and I would communicate with them. It was as if my being was enlarged, as if they were added on to me. Its a bit difficult to describe, but very comforting. Its live non-duality, I know that now, but only felt it then.I am sad to hear about your child's premature death. That is the worst to bear. When elders die it is somehow natural that they should leave before us. A child is different. No more words.sincerely,Chris http://joincolor> http:/www..comcolor>"Love itself is the actual form of God."Sri RamanaIn "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Linkssmaller>• To visit your group on the web, go to:http://color> • To from this group, send an email to:color> • Your use of is subject to the Terms of Servicecolor>.Monsoonhouse Int.KovalamKeralacontact: christianecameron (AT) mac (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 namaskaar harsha ji, my condolences for you harsha ji. may god give peace to your father. om shaantih, shaantih, shaantih. with you, gautam. Get better spam protection with Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 Dear Gautamji Thank you for your comforting words. They are much appreciated. I feel the warmth of your friendship. Thank you Harsha --- Gautam Madan <dr_gmadan wrote: > namaskaar harsha ji, > > my condolences for you harsha ji. may god give peace > to your father. > om shaantih, shaantih, shaantih. > > with you, > gautam. > > > > > > Get better spam protection with Mail ===== /join Get better spam protection with Mail. http://antispam./tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 Dear Everyone and Sam, David, TG, Holly, Tony, Christine, James, Al, Robert, Mazie, Joyce, Michael, Vicki, Shawn, Jim, Dirk, TexasBob, Greg, Karta (ERA), Swathi, Gautam, and others,....I am sorry if I forgot anyone, just have many things to do for now. But thank you for all your kind sentiments and beautiful words privately and on the list. I tried to write some of you privately and the same words come out again and again. Thank you for your love and friendship and comforting and healing words. I am basically OK. My focus in now on supporting and comforting my mother. My father was cremated according to Hindu rites and his ashes will be taken to India and dispersed in the Ganges as he wished. My father was a beautiful and strong man who was knowingly and unknowingly my constant protector and did the same for rest of the family. We at times disagreed, especially when I was young, but later I realized the nature of his wisdom. I remember when I was about to become a monk in my early twenties, he strongly intervened and talked to Chitrabhanuji and said we don't want our son to become a monk but lead a normal life. Some days later Gurudev said to me that we have to respect the wishes of our parents. It was a difficult time for me. A few months later I went home and my father said to me that I should become a professor like himself. "You will have plenty of time for meditation and yoga and everything," he said. At that point I was resigned to whatever would happen. Then my father drove me himself to a nearby university to take an entrance exam which got me admission. So that is how things went.... My father was a constant source of guidance, nourishment, and encouragement to me in every aspect of life. He is eternally present in my Heart. Love to all Harsha ===== /join Get better spam protection with Mail. http://antispam./tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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