Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 THERE IS NO DOUBT, MY FRIEND by Dr.Sarada It may be time to understand the completeness of self-enquiry Self-enquiry is the complete way. This seems a rather unusual epithet, does it not, for self-enquiry. We are used to its being called the direct path or the royal road to self-knowledge. We have heard it labelled as easy; as the most relevant to the needs of the present day seeker and the unique way revealed by Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi. Yet, all these epithets, it seems, have not persuaded us to take to self- enquiry in earnest. So it is time to look at it from a fresh angle. To realise that it is a complete way. It could not be any less as it is given to us by Bhagavan as the direct, infallible means to Self-knowledge. To presume that we can either add to it or substract from it would be the height of presumptousness indeed. Yet, we need intellectual clarifications and have them, we shall. The first way in which we render self-enquiry incomplete is by deciding that it is not suitable for all. While it is true that it is not suitable for one who decides thus, the very mental outlook becoming a stumbling block to self-enquiry, to think that it requires any other competence is a misnomer. Self- enquiry, like any process or pursuit, does require a preparedness to follow it. Is it difficult to understand? Why, even young children respond when the idea is explained to them. With a change in your name do you change? No they chorus. When your body grows is your sense of `I any different? `No they assert. Is not the feeling of `I with you always? `Yes. Hold on to that. The child is prepared, ready to experiment, find out. Could it be if it were difficult to understand? A grandmother, on the other hand, when told the same thing says You make it simple. Is it really so simple? It couldnt be! Is it, really? Then I will try! There is some resistance. It couldnt be all that simple says her mind, But Bhagavan has said it is simple . He has explained it to us in the simplest way, using our very natural daily experiences of sleep and waking, of health and disease, of pointing to ourselves as `I as `I, directly to the spiritual centre, the Heart. If we make it sound complicated, it must only be to keep ourselves away from it, to escape it. Can there be anything easier to understand than the sense of `I, so familiar, so much a part of our lives?. Can there be anything dearer to hold on to? It is true that the enquiry seems to produce different results in each person. In some it immediately re- awakens self-awareness. For others there are intermittent dips into the source, the self. Yet others experience a certain sense of detachment and calm and are able to execute their work better than before, deal with events in a more insightful manner. For some just the moments of enquiry are peaceful and there seems no carry over into daily life. Still others seem to be stuck with a struggle even during their enquiry and thoughts crop up every other second to disturb their intention of holding attention on the I. The question therefore arises, that at least for the last category, Would it not be advisable to recommend preparatory exercises?. It is alright if there is a minimum degree of success with self- enquiry. If not, is it not better to try some other method? There are many misconceptions in this line of thought. One, that we are capable of measuring and understanding our own progress and required to do so. More important, that self-enquiry is not the best preparation for itself. Thirdly, that it excludes certain other approaches. The former assumes non-existant capacities. The latter self-enquiry is incomplete. Both are therefore misdirected notions. Had some preparations for self-enquiry been essential, Bhagavan would certainly have clarified, Do self- enquiry only after you have practised pooja or japa for some years or Do self-enquiry only after watching the breath or self-enquiry is to be performed only after the mind has been purified through selfless service. Bhagavan made no such conditions. Did he hide the whole truth from us for fear that we would not accept self-enquiry otherwise? Isnt the very thought very absurd? Or should we presume to say that Bhagavan was unaware that self-enquiry is not suited to all? Could there be greater ignorance? Bhagavan recommended self-enquiry to all who came to him, asking him for a means to self-knowledge. In those, however, who had already made a choice and merely wanted his affirmation he created no distrubance. He allowed them to pursue the chosen path, provided it would lead them to self-enquiry. Sometimes he even said so. That other paths would also lead one only to self-enquiry, does not mean they are essential to it. They are not a hindrance or contrary to it and so may be pursued if one is particular about doing so. But self-enquiry does not exclude any practice. On the other hand, it is the very life time of all practices. Is one interested in selfless service? Would it be possible without the underlying attitude of enquiry? Would not the ego creep in unawares and cheat us at some point or the other? The ego of serving, the ego of humility itself, the ego of the ideal! And could self-knowledge result so long as the ego continues? If, on the other hand the attitude of self-enquiry were to form the basis of all work, service or otherwise, would not the work itself be done in the best manner possible and at the same time keep one in time with the Self? Does one believe that dedicating action to the Supreme is the best way? How better can this be achieved than by being in touch with that Force through the intermittent dips into the source in self- enquiry. Could anything bring a more immediate recognition that the Supreme is in charge? Anything short of it would only be an intellectual dedication. What about living life with alertness, from moment to moment? Surely alertness comes only when identity is not. It is identity which clouds perception making one read chosen meanings into experiences. When identity is questioned and tackled through self-enquiry then is one truly aware, alert. And surrender? Has that not been given by Bhagavan himself as the alternate means? But self-enquiry is surrender! Or perhaps one may call it forced surrender. Because identity will not drop of its own accord it is forced to do so through enquiry. Would one argue that self-enquiry eliminates a personal relationship of love for the Lord? Ah! Only one who truly pursues self-enquiry would know the meaning of love at all. When the very bliss of the Lord, the Supreme wakes up as the inner experience of the I then love for him would course through ones veins unbridled, burst through every pore of ones body. Then the shining of His eyes, the marvel to His smile would light the entire universe and every atom in it. Has one seen greater love than Bhagavans? He choked when he read of devotion and nobility. Tears streamed from his eyes when he sang or heard sacred hymns as only he can know who has reached the culmination of self-enquiry. All along the way too self-enquiry makes the heart grow in compassion and love, in alertness and fullness, in moment to moment living, in bliss which embraces all. There is no doubt my friend, there cannot be. Self-enquiry is the complete way and if one gives oneself to it completely, only the fullness remains. the abode of bliss the abode of bliss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Dear Shawn, please let me know which Dr. Sarada this is and where you got this text from I lost your last answer to this request sorry for disturbing you Michael Bindel - "Shawn Hair" <shawn <> Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:23 AM not yet ready for self enquiry? > > THERE IS NO DOUBT, MY FRIEND > > by Dr.Sarada > It may be time to understand the completeness of self-enquiry > > Self-enquiry is the complete way. This seems a rather unusual > epithet, does it not, for self-enquiry. We are used to its being > called the direct path or the royal road to self-knowledge. We > have heard it labelled as easy; as the most relevant to the needs > of the present day seeker and the unique way revealed by > Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi. Yet, all these epithets, it > seems, have not persuaded us to take to self- enquiry in > earnest. So it is time to look at it from a fresh angle. To realise > that it is a complete way. It could not be any less as it is given to > us by Bhagavan as the direct, infallible means to > Self-knowledge. To presume that we can either add to it or > substract from it would be the height of presumptousness > indeed. Yet, we need intellectual clarifications and have them, > we shall. The first way in which we render self-enquiry > incomplete is by deciding that it is not suitable for all. While it is > true that it is not suitable for one who decides thus, the very > mental outlook becoming a stumbling block to self-enquiry, to > think that it requires any other competence is a misnomer. Self- > enquiry, like any process or pursuit, does require a > preparedness to follow it. Is it difficult to understand? Why, even > young children respond when the idea is explained to them. With > a change in your name do you change? No they chorus. When > your body grows is your sense of `I any different? `No they > assert. Is not the feeling of `I with you always? `Yes. Hold on to > that. The child is prepared, ready to experiment, find out. Could it > be if it were difficult to understand? A grandmother, on the other > hand, when told the same thing says You make it simple. Is it > really so simple? It couldnt be! Is it, really? Then I will try! There > is some resistance. It couldnt be all that simple says her mind, > But Bhagavan has said it is simple . He has explained it to us in > the simplest way, using our very natural daily experiences of > sleep and waking, of health and disease, of pointing to > ourselves as `I as `I, directly to the spiritual centre, the Heart. If > we make it sound complicated, it must only be to keep ourselves > away from it, to escape it. Can there be anything easier to > understand than the sense of `I, so familiar, so much a part of > our lives?. Can there be anything dearer to hold on to? It is true > that the enquiry seems to produce different results in each > person. In some it immediately re- awakens self-awareness. For > others there are intermittent dips into the source, the self. Yet > others experience a certain sense of detachment and calm and > are able to execute their work better than before, deal with events > in a more insightful manner. For some just the moments of > enquiry are peaceful and there seems no carry over into daily life. > Still others seem to be stuck with a struggle even during their > enquiry and thoughts crop up every other second to disturb their > intention of holding attention on the I. The question therefore > arises, that at least for the last category, Would it not be > advisable to recommend preparatory exercises?. It is alright if > there is a minimum degree of success with self- enquiry. If not, > is it not better to try some other method? There are many > misconceptions in this line of thought. One, that we are capable > of measuring and understanding our own progress and required > to do so. More important, that self-enquiry is not the best > preparation for itself. Thirdly, that it excludes certain other > approaches. The former assumes non-existant capacities. The > latter self-enquiry is incomplete. Both are therefore misdirected > notions. Had some preparations for self-enquiry been essential, > Bhagavan would certainly have clarified, Do self- enquiry only > after you have practised pooja or japa for some years or Do > self-enquiry only after watching the breath or self-enquiry is to be > performed only after the mind has been purified through selfless > service. Bhagavan made no such conditions. Did he hide the > whole truth from us for fear that we would not accept self-enquiry > otherwise? Isnt the very thought very absurd? Or should we > presume to say that Bhagavan was unaware that self-enquiry is > not suited to all? Could there be greater ignorance? Bhagavan > recommended self-enquiry to all who came to him, asking him > for a means to self-knowledge. In those, however, who had > already made a choice and merely wanted his affirmation he > created no distrubance. He allowed them to pursue the chosen > path, provided it would lead them to self-enquiry. Sometimes he > even said so. That other paths would also lead one only to > self-enquiry, does not mean they are essential to it. They are not > a hindrance or contrary to it and so may be pursued if one is > particular about doing so. But self-enquiry does not exclude any > practice. On the other hand, it is the very life time of all practices. > Is one interested in selfless service? Would it be possible > without the underlying attitude of enquiry? Would not the ego > creep in unawares and cheat us at some point or the other? The > ego of serving, the ego of humility itself, the ego of the ideal! And > could self-knowledge result so long as the ego continues? If, on > the other hand the attitude of self-enquiry were to form the basis > of all work, service or otherwise, would not the work itself be > done in the best manner possible and at the same time keep > one in time with the Self? Does one believe that dedicating > action to the Supreme is the best way? How better can this be > achieved than by being in touch with that Force through the > intermittent dips into the source in self- enquiry. Could anything > bring a more immediate recognition that the Supreme is in > charge? Anything short of it would only be an intellectual > dedication. What about living life with alertness, from moment to > moment? Surely alertness comes only when identity is not. It is > identity which clouds perception making one read chosen > meanings into experiences. When identity is questioned and > tackled through self-enquiry then is one truly aware, alert. And > surrender? Has that not been given by Bhagavan himself as the > alternate means? But self-enquiry is surrender! Or perhaps one > may call it forced surrender. Because identity will not drop of its > own accord it is forced to do so through enquiry. Would one > argue that self-enquiry eliminates a personal relationship of love > for the Lord? Ah! Only one who truly pursues self-enquiry would > know the meaning of love at all. When the very bliss of the Lord, > the Supreme wakes up as the inner experience of the I then love > for him would course through ones veins unbridled, burst > through every pore of ones body. Then the shining of His eyes, > the marvel to His smile would light the entire universe and every > atom in it. Has one seen greater love than Bhagavans? He > choked when he read of devotion and nobility. Tears streamed > from his eyes when he sang or heard sacred hymns as only he > can know who has reached the culmination of self-enquiry. All > along the way too self-enquiry makes the heart grow in > compassion and love, in alertness and fullness, in moment to > moment living, in bliss which embraces all. There is no doubt > my friend, there cannot be. Self-enquiry is the complete way and > if one gives oneself to it completely, only the fullness remains. > the abode of bliss the abode of bliss > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 , "Michael Bindel" <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > Dear Shawn, > > please let me know which Dr. Sarada this is and where you got this text from > I lost your last answer to this request sorry for disturbing you > > Michael Bindel ********************************** http://members.tripod.com/~rmclb/index.htm http://members.tripod.com/~rmclb/rclbios.htm Namaste, Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 Dear Shawn, thank you again. But where can I "find" Dr.Sarada? All the best michael bindel - "Shawn Hair" <shawn <> Tuesday, March 09, 2004 3:03 AM Re: not yet ready for self enquiry? > , "Michael Bindel" > <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > > Dear Shawn, > > > > please let me know which Dr. Sarada this is and where you got > this text from > > I lost your last answer to this request sorry for disturbing you > > > > Michael Bindel > ********************************** > http://members.tripod.com/~rmclb/index.htm > > http://members.tripod.com/~rmclb/rclbios.htm > > Namaste, > > Shawn > > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 Dear Shawn, are you a r to "The Ramana Way"? Is this magazine available online too? tku again michael bindel - "Shawn Hair" <shawn <> Tuesday, March 09, 2004 3:03 AM Re: not yet ready for self enquiry? > , "Michael Bindel" > <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > > Dear Shawn, > > > > please let me know which Dr. Sarada this is and where you got > this text from > > I lost your last answer to this request sorry for disturbing you > > > > Michael Bindel > ********************************** > http://members.tripod.com/~rmclb/index.htm > > http://members.tripod.com/~rmclb/rclbios.htm > > Namaste, > > Shawn > > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 , "Michael Bindel" <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > Dear Shawn, > > thank you again. > But where can I "find" Dr.Sarada? > > All the best > > michael bindel ================== Dear michael, Did you see this: http://www.angelfire.com/realm/bodhisattva/laya.html#N1 Other than that you can "google" her name. I am not a r to that mag. It looks as if it may not be in exiistence any more. You can read some of them online here: http://members.tripod.com/~rmclb/ramanaway.htm click on the month which are links. ~Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 Dear Shawn thank you for your help! Michael Bindel - "Shawn Hair" <shawn <> Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:54 PM Re: not yet ready for self enquiry? > , "Michael Bindel" > <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > > Dear Shawn, > > > > thank you again. > > But where can I "find" Dr.Sarada? > > > > All the best > > > > michael bindel > ================== > > Dear michael, > > Did you see this: > > > http://www.angelfire.com/realm/bodhisattva/laya.html#N1 > > Other than that you can "google" her name. > > I am not a r to that mag. It looks as if it may not be in > exiistence any more. > > You can read some of them online here: > http://members.tripod.com/~rmclb/ramanaway.htm > > click on the month which are links. > > ~Shawn > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 To change the mind about self-enquiry twice : ) Imagining it does when it does not 'work' which work is going on? Until that bright day nobody asks: Where has the questioner gone? Alan Attachment: (image/jpeg) DSCF0012_f.jpg [not stored] Attachment: (image/jpeg) DSCF0058_f.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 my compliments! Rosanna Search - Find what you’re looking for faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 , Rosanna <delisciousfruit> wrote: > Al your pictures are absolutly divine, > my compliments! > > Rosanna > I second that emotion. Al !! ....make a book. I'll buy it. ~Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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