Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Namaste, Is Pentecost a Kundalini event? When Jesus left the apostles and disciples he told them to gather in an upper room in Jerusalem on a certain day, about 50 days after the Passover. The Hebrew feast of Shavuot or feast of weeks, also the day Moses handed down some of the Law etc. WHAT HAPPENED ON PENTECOST? "Ten days after Jesus ascended into heaven, the twelve apostles, Jesus' mother and family, and many other of His disciples gathered together in Jerusalem for the Jewish harvest festival that was celebrated on the fiftieth day of Passover. While they were indoors praying, a violent wind came rushing through the house and tongues of fire descended and rested over each of their heads. This was the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on human flesh promised by God through the Prophet Joel (see Joel 2:28-29). The disciples were suddenly empowered to proclaim the gospel of the risen Christ. They went out into the streets of Jerusalem and began preaching to the crowds gathered for the festival. Not only did the disciples preach with boldness and vigor, but by a miracle of the Holy Spirit they spoke in the native languages of the people present, many who had come from all corners of the Roman Empire. This created a sensation. The apostle Peter seized the moment and addressed the crowd, preaching to them about Jesus' death and resurrection. We are told that about three thousand converts were baptized that day. (You can read the Biblical account of Pentecost in Acts 2:1-41)." I always used to wonder what the paraclete was, that little flame on the top of all the heads shown in the pictures. We were taught it was the Holy Ghost descended on the Disciples. I could never quite get it. However when I got into Vedanta and read it again, I understood it. The fire was the Sahasrara Cakra, and accompanied by the speaking of tongues and languages, the great wind etc. It all looks like a common K experience. Om Tat Sat: Sat=Father Tat=Son Om=Holy Ghost. The evidence mounts of Jesus's Indian connection?.........ONS...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Dear Tony, of course! Since a child I "knew" that "christianity" in the "form" of "catholicism" cannot be what they are claiming to be. I felt strongly the "hindu" connection. But not the connection to "Europe" the Celts and so on.... I really admire your want to know - very similar to mine ..... b u t I just know that knowing something very deep you have to have been in this culture in other lives or and in this life In my personal life I meet very seldom indeed people who are modest enough to state I do not know enough of this theme... and I met so many who believe they know sooooo much and thru simple questions I see that they are ignorant and full of false selfesteem I never met at person who admittet that thru the politication of the "Jeshu" the "church" commited massmurder everywhere, they prepared the ground in perfect way for slaughtering hundred of millions of sould and remember the jewish saying dear unknow wise friend who who saves one life saves a world even now here in real beautiful tuscany I experienced religions teachers who teach in practice that people who are not baptized have to go to hell example two children cross a road one is killed is it a christian or another one????? Of course not a chrisitian because of its baptization.... unbelievable but true.... With all due respect michael bindel - "Tony OClery" <aoclery <> Thursday, March 04, 2004 5:35 PM Kundalini-PX? > Namaste, > > Is Pentecost a Kundalini event? When Jesus left the apostles and > disciples he told them to gather in an upper room in Jerusalem on a > certain day, about 50 days after the Passover. The Hebrew feast of > Shavuot or feast of weeks, also the day Moses handed down some of > the Law etc. > > WHAT HAPPENED ON PENTECOST? > > "Ten days after Jesus ascended into heaven, the twelve apostles, > Jesus' mother and family, and many other of His disciples gathered > together in Jerusalem for the Jewish harvest festival that was > celebrated on the fiftieth day of Passover. While they were indoors > praying, a violent wind came rushing through the house and tongues > of fire descended and rested over each of their heads. This was the > outpouring of the Holy Spirit on human flesh promised by God through > the Prophet Joel (see Joel 2:28-29). The disciples were suddenly > empowered to proclaim the gospel of the risen Christ. They went out > into the streets of Jerusalem and began preaching to the crowds > gathered for the festival. Not only did the disciples preach with > boldness and vigor, but by a miracle of the Holy Spirit they spoke > in the native languages of the people present, many who had come > from all corners of the Roman Empire. This created a sensation. > The apostle Peter seized the moment and addressed the crowd, > preaching to them about Jesus' death and resurrection. We are told > that about three thousand converts were baptized that day. (You can > read the Biblical account of Pentecost in Acts 2:1-41)." > > I always used to wonder what the paraclete was, that little flame on > the top of all the heads shown in the pictures. We were taught it > was the Holy Ghost descended on the Disciples. I could never quite > get it. > However when I got into Vedanta and read it again, I understood it. > The fire was the Sahasrara Cakra, and accompanied by the speaking of > tongues and languages, the great wind etc. It all looks like a > common K experience. > > Om Tat Sat: Sat=Father Tat=Son Om=Holy Ghost. > > The evidence mounts of Jesus's Indian connection?.........ONS...> > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 , "Michael Bindel" <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > Dear Tony, > > of course! > Since a child I "knew" that "christianity" in the "form" of "catholicism" > cannot be what they are claiming to be. > I felt strongly the "hindu" connection. > But not the connection to "Europe" the Celts and so on.... > I really admire your want to know - very similar to mine ..... > b u t I just know that knowing something very deep you have to have been > in this culture in other lives or and in this life > In my personal life I meet very seldom indeed people who are modest enough > to state I do not know enough of this theme... and I met so many who believe > they know sooooo much and thru simple questions I see that they are ignorant > and full of false selfesteem > I never met at person who admittet that thru the politication of the "Jeshu" > the "church" commited massmurder everywhere, they prepared the ground in > perfect way for slaughtering hundred of millions of sould > and remember the jewish saying dear unknow wise friend > who who saves one life saves a world Namaste M, I get myself in trouble for speaking out about stuff, perhaps because of a feeling of sympathy/compassion for those victims of oppression and colonialism/religious wars etc. We cannot blame or single out one groups for massacres etc etc. The Bible is full of massacres in the old testament as you know, sanctioned by God etc etc. So called religious people seem to take it in turns in persecuting one another. It has all to do with karma, if one lot kill a million of another kind; then they have to also be killed at some future time. A pendulum. If people only realised that everyone they kill or dispossess or oppress, is a lifetime in similar circumstances for themselves in the future perhaps they would hestitate. It seem people don't need a reason to oppress just an excuse. Religion is the excuse but behind the excuse is usually desire for land, food, wealth etc etc. Hanging on to old hatreds and resentments from the past also just lines one up to suffer the fate again, for not learning the lesson. We have no power over what is going to happen or has happened only our attitude to it. As Ramana said when asked why humans have wars, he said just like monkeys fight, humans do as well but with weapons etc etc. In the end result as Cayce says we only ever meet ourselves.....ONS..Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Dear I do like to admit that your answer is the source of joy. Since childhood I tried in vain - of course it must have something to do with me, but not alone this! - to find someone (in germanspeaking countries) who would be ready to answer in a way like you did! I MUST let you know this! Thank you so much - enjoy yourself. And I agree with your point of view without bad feelings.... Maybe you are able and ready to share your wisdom regarding the following question Without wanting to follow a "principle" - only following a burning inner necessaty - I try to live that what "i" realized as being authentic. So I try to live what I feel as true. Fullpoint. I understand myself if not being ready sometimes to act accordingly but this are not longer than minutes any more. I realize immedeatily while acting "wrongly" that t h i s is not okay and I undertand why i do it and change it by admitting it to myself and by changing this way of behaviour... When not being "in myself" I keep causing troubles for myself. Something wrong with this way of being - dear Tony???? Thank you for your listening michael bindel. After having "a - "Tony OClery" <aoclery <> Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:47 PM Re: Kundalini-PX? > , "Michael Bindel" > <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > > Dear Tony, > > > > of course! > > Since a child I "knew" that "christianity" in the "form" > of "catholicism" > > cannot be what they are claiming to be. > > I felt strongly the "hindu" connection. > > But not the connection to "Europe" the Celts and so on.... > > I really admire your want to know - very similar to mine ..... > > b u t I just know that knowing something very deep you have to > have been > > in this culture in other lives or and in this life > > In my personal life I meet very seldom indeed people who are > modest enough > > to state I do not know enough of this theme... and I met so many > who believe > > they know sooooo much and thru simple questions I see that they > are ignorant > > and full of false selfesteem > > I never met at person who admittet that thru the politication of > the "Jeshu" > > the "church" commited massmurder everywhere, they prepared the > ground in > > perfect way for slaughtering hundred of millions of sould > > and remember the jewish saying dear unknow wise friend > > who who saves one life saves a world > > Namaste M, > > I get myself in trouble for speaking out about stuff, perhaps > because of a feeling of sympathy/compassion for those victims of > oppression and colonialism/religious wars etc. > > We cannot blame or single out one groups for massacres etc etc. The > Bible is full of massacres in the old testament as you know, > sanctioned by God etc etc. So called religious people seem to take > it in turns in persecuting one another. It has all to do with karma, > if one lot kill a million of another kind; then they have to also be > killed at some future time. > A pendulum. > If people only realised that everyone they kill or dispossess or > oppress, is a lifetime in similar circumstances for themselves in > the future perhaps they would hestitate. > It seem people don't need a reason to oppress just an excuse. > Religion is the excuse but behind the excuse is usually desire for > land, food, wealth etc etc. > > Hanging on to old hatreds and resentments from the past also just > lines one up to suffer the fate again, for not learning the lesson. > We have no power over what is going to happen or has happened only > our attitude to it. > > As Ramana said when asked why humans have wars, he said just like > monkeys fight, humans do as well but with weapons etc etc. > > In the end result as Cayce says we only ever meet > ourselves.....ONS..> > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Tony wrote Namaste,Is Pentecost a Kundalini event? Probably so Dr Joels (guruji) the late Kundalini master had diagrams in his books of the flame at the crown. He was very honest in saying that Kundalini, Shiva, Shakti all lived below Absolute Truth and that the way to Realization was through self enquiry ie "Who am I?" His description of his realization was very graphic fearfull and detailed. The third eye opened as part of the Kundalini awakening process. He also said that Kundalini was spoken of in the bible but in different terms, he was quite specific. Unfortunately I cant quote him as I "lent" the book never to see it again. Namaste Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 , "Michael Bindel" <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > Dear > > I do like to admit that your answer is the source of joy. > Since childhood I tried in vain - of course it must have something to do > with me, but not alone this! - to find someone (in germanspeaking countries) > who would be ready to answer in a way like you did! > I MUST let you know this! > Thank you so much - enjoy yourself. > > And > I agree with your point of view without bad feelings.... > > Maybe you are able and ready to share your wisdom regarding the following > question > > Without wanting to follow a "principle" - only following a burning inner > necessaty - I try to live that what "i" realized as being authentic. > So I try to live what I feel as true. Fullpoint. I understand myself if not > being ready sometimes to act accordingly but this are not longer than > minutes any more. I realize immedeatily while acting "wrongly" that t h i > s is not okay and I undertand why i do it and change it by admitting it to > myself and by changing this way of behaviour... > When not being "in myself" I keep causing troubles for myself. > Something wrong with this way of being - dear Tony???? > > > Thank you for your listening > > michael bindel. Namaste Michael, It is just your mind. It is not you that is the problem. It is thinking that you are you that is the problem. If one makes a mistake and sees that is wrong and tries to rectify it then one is purifying the tendencies in the mind. The mind will always be a problem thought aren't really ours really, we just reach out and grab them and enjoy them bad or good.........ONS..Tony. You can only learn and do the best you can. Like all of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 thank you again! michel bindel - "Tony OClery" <aoclery <> Friday, March 05, 2004 1:40 AM Re: Kundalini-PX? > , "Michael Bindel" > <michaelbindel@t...> wrote: > > Dear > > > > I do like to admit that your answer is the source of joy. > > Since childhood I tried in vain - of course it must have something > to do > > with me, but not alone this! - to find someone (in germanspeaking > countries) > > who would be ready to answer in a way like you did! > > I MUST let you know this! > > Thank you so much - enjoy yourself. > > > > And > > I agree with your point of view without bad feelings.... > > > > Maybe you are able and ready to share your wisdom regarding the > following > > question > > > > Without wanting to follow a "principle" - only following a burning > inner > > necessaty - I try to live that what "i" realized as being > authentic. > > So I try to live what I feel as true. Fullpoint. I understand > myself if not > > being ready sometimes to act accordingly but this are not longer > than > > minutes any more. I realize immedeatily while acting "wrongly" > that t h i > > s is not okay and I undertand why i do it and change it by > admitting it to > > myself and by changing this way of behaviour... > > When not being "in myself" I keep causing troubles for myself. > > Something wrong with this way of being - dear Tony???? > > > > > > Thank you for your listening > > > > michael bindel. > > Namaste Michael, > > It is just your mind. It is not you that is the problem. It is > thinking that you are you that is the problem. If one makes a > mistake and sees that is wrong and tries to rectify it then one is > purifying the tendencies in the mind. The mind will always be a > problem thought aren't really ours really, we just reach out and > grab them and enjoy them bad or good.........ONS..Tony. > You can only learn and do the best you can. Like all of us. > > > > > /join > > > > > > "Love itself is the actual form of God." > > Sri Ramana > > In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 , "AnneChris" <am009a8716@b...> wrote: > Tony wrote > Namaste, > > Is Pentecost a Kundalini event? > > Probably so > Dr Joels (guruji) the late Kundalini master had diagrams in his books of the flame at the crown. > He was very honest in saying that Kundalini, Shiva, Shakti all lived below Absolute Truth and that the way to Realization was through self enquiry ie "Who am I?" > His description of his realization was very graphic fearfull and detailed. The third eye opened as part of the Kundalini awakening process. > He also said that Kundalini was spoken of in the bible but in different terms, he was quite specific. Unfortunately I cant quote him as I "lent" the book never to see it again. > Namaste Chris Namaste Chris, Yes I think I found another one in Matt:7, Luke 13:24, where Jesus is talking of taking the 'Narrow Gate' 'But the gate to life is very narrow. The road that leads there is so hard to follow that only a few people find it." I think the eye of the needle that Jesus talks of is the same idea. It is easier for a rich man to go through the eye of a needle than it is for him to enter the 'Kingdom of Heaven'......ONS...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 , "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > , "AnneChris" <am009a8716@b...> > wrote: > > Tony wrote > > Namaste, > > > > Is Pentecost a Kundalini event? > > > > Probably so > > Dr Joels (guruji) the late Kundalini master had diagrams in his > books of the flame at the crown. > > He was very honest in saying that Kundalini, Shiva, Shakti all > lived below Absolute Truth and that the way to Realization was > through self enquiry ie "Who am I?" > > His description of his realization was very graphic fearfull and > detailed. The third eye opened as part of the Kundalini awakening > process. > > He also said that Kundalini was spoken of in the bible but in > different terms, he was quite specific. Unfortunately I cant quote > him as I "lent" the book never to see it again. > > Namaste Chris > > Namaste Chris, > > Yes I think I found another one in Matt:7, Luke 13:24, where Jesus > is talking of taking the 'Narrow Gate' 'But the gate to life is very > narrow. The road that leads there is so hard to follow that only a > few people find it." I think the eye of the needle that Jesus talks > of is the same idea. It is easier for a rich man to go through the > eye of a needle than it is for him to enter the 'Kingdom of > Heaven'......ONS...Tony Namaste,That should read a camel through the eye of needle. In the West Christians called it a reflection of the Holy Ghost, and worshipped its manifestations as tongues of flames over the heads of apostles during the Pentecost reunion. Moses Moses saw it in the form of the burning bush. During the exodus the israelites lost faith and were smitten by fiery serpents so God told Moses "make thee a serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that everyone that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it on a pole, and it came to pass, that if a fiery serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived" An apt description of the healing quailities of the awakened Kundalini. Some of the Israelites even began to worship this symbol, and the practice of worshipping the brazen serpent on the pole as a god was either passed on, or was revived later. Bronze and stone serpent artifacts have been found in excavations in Canaan, Gezer and other parts of Israel! Jesus The Old Testament symbol becomes significant in christianity when Christ suggests Kundalini awakening, not just for the tribe of Israel but as the true destiny of all Christians: "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even as the son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have eternal life" He says unequivocally in the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas and elsewhere, that `The Holy Spirit is My Mother'. `The Kingdom of God is within you' (Luke 17:21). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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