Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 Dear Vironica , time is only a concept .in the organ of cognition , the brain and sensory apparatus where time , space and causality are a priori .This is why the world Maya as a representation seems to be real .in fact there is no creation or destruction from an absolutist advaitic standpoint .The mind is incapable of understanding this because it is not equiped to handle such concepts as timelessness .There is only an Eternal Now in which everything happens -this transcends time -space -causality etc.I trust this helps , Regards Alan <tt> <BR> <BR> "We cannot imagine timelessness, simultaneous existence of all lifetimes.<BR> Infinity is defined by reference to time."<BR> <BR> <BR> ..................<BR> <BR> I came to know that meditation means not only the classical approach <BR> of sitting and stopping the thinking process or concentrating on some<BR> outside/inside reference ; <BR> <BR> Whatever causes the mind to 'stop' is meditation. <BR> <BR> On reading this "We cannot imagine timelessness, simultaneous<BR> existence of all lifetimes " my mind stopped. <BR> I walked around the house and talked and did what I had to do with a mind<BR> that 'stopped' because of trying to imagine timelessness or simultaneous<BR> existence of all lifetimes.<BR> <BR> I realized that my mind receives a shock when trying to imagine something<BR> beyond its capabilities and 'stops'. Then the feeling moves down in my <BR> stomach and tends to 'stop' the body also. <BR> <BR> Then the words of the Maharshi sound in my head :<BR> "there is no creation no destruction <BR> there is no creation no destruction <BR> there is no creation no destruction ...."<BR> <BR> These increase my mental blockage even more . <BR> And I love them , and I love them ! <BR> <BR> I am in love with 'there is no creation no destruction'. <BR> <BR> <BR> And I sense my body and feelings as the 'broken toy'. <BR> <BR> The 'broken toy' prays for the mercy of the Maharshi as <BR> I don't know what will be next. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size="-1" color=#003399><b> Sponsor</b></font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> <td align=center width=470><TABLE WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=250 border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr><td align=center><font face=arial size=-2></font><br> <TR> <TD> <a href="http://rd./M=212804.2460941.3878106.2273195/D=egroupweb/S=1705060\ 955:HM/A=810373/R=0/*http://geocities./ps/info?.refer=blrecs" target=_top><IMG SRC="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/ya/_geocities/lrec2b_1_01.jpg" WIDTH=185 HEIGHT=250 BORDER=0></a></TR></TD> <TD> <a href="http://rd./M=212804.2460941.3878106.2273195/D=egroupweb/S=1705060\ 955:HM/A=810373/R=1/*http://geocities./ps/info?.refer=blrecs" target=_top><IMG SRC="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/ya/_geocities/lrec2d_2_02.gif" WIDTH=115 HEIGHT=250 BORDER=0></TD> </TR></a> </TABLE></td> </tr> <tr><td><img alt="" width=1 height=1 src="http://us.adserver./l?M=212804.2460941.3878106.2273195/D=egroupmai\ l/S=:HM/A=810373/rand=380682478"></td></tr> </table> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <br> <tt> <BR> Post message: RamanaMaharshi <BR> Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- <BR> Un: RamanaMaharshi- <BR> List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner <BR> <BR> Shortcut URL to this page:<BR> <a href="/community/RamanaMaharshi"> Terms of Service</a>.</tt> </br> </body></html> Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.''>http://uk.my.'>http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 --- viorica weissman <viorica wrote: Dear Viorica , this is the way of Jnana .It is necessary to intellectually undersst and how Maya works .The understanding of the Advaita concepts sink down from the powerful intellect to the heart . This is my experience anyway . Regards Alan <tt> <BR> i would say I am not concerned at all about the brain <BR> or about any sensory apparatus neither to think of time as a concept<BR> nor to offer to myself any explanation of any sort nor to <BR> analyze anything. <BR> <BR> Now I see by your answer how easy it is to be misunderstood <BR> when actually we just want to 'throw' away a feeling ,<BR> a sensation , an apperception , a something ,<BR> to comunicate just for the sake of sharing ,<BR> immediately somebody else - another human mind - feels <BR> the need to come our way or one's own way <BR> with an explanation.<BR> <BR> I think it is exactly what human mind has to do on <BR> this path : stop giving logical eexplanations ,<BR> stop them totally , let them go , let the mind stop.<BR> <BR> What I was talking about was just about another aspect <BR> of meditation : feed the mind something that can't grasp ,<BR> feed it but don't explain it ! Any explanation spoils <BR> the effect.<BR> <BR> Feed it so and then let the Maharshi do his job.<BR> Offer your mind to him.<BR> <BR> Hope you understood me better , <BR> <BR> vicki<BR> <BR> <BR> > Dear Vironica , time is only a concept .in the organ of cognition , <BR> the brain and sensory<BR> > apparatus where time , space and causality are a priori .This is <BR> why the world Maya as a<BR> > representation seems to be real .in fact there is no creation or <BR> destruction from an absolutist<BR> > advaitic standpoint .The mind is incapable of understanding this <BR> because it is not equiped to<BR> > handle such concepts as timelessness .There is only an Eternal Now <BR> in which everything happens<BR> > -this transcends time -space -causality etc.I trust this helps , <BR> Regards Alan <BR> > <BR> > <BR> <BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size="-1" color=#003399><b> Sponsor</b></font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> <td align=center width=470><table border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0> <tr> <td align=center><font face=arial size=-2></font><br><a href="http://rd./M=226671.2053067.3698778.2273195/D=egroupweb/S=1705060\ 955:HM/A=1269251/R=0/* Terms of Service</a>.</tt> </br> </body></html> Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.''>http://uk.my.'>http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 Dear Viorica , thanks for the respomse .I see your point of view .The reason I wrote about the mechanism of Maya is that you seemed not to comprehend the Absolute statement that " There is no Creation , no Destruction "It is a bit ;like "nothing ever happens".Unless there is an intellectual understanding of the world as illusion it can lead to confusion ..Practice goes wrong unless the theory is right .I am sure you understand this .Raman's 40 Verses on Reality were written explicitely to clarify the intellectual understanding . Self Realisation unfolds the subtle intellect which may understand such concepts as Simultaneous Creation , the Eternal Now etc.of course all this goes hand in hand with Bakti and Meditation , Enquiry , Diving etc.i am sure we do not disagree but are coming in from different angles to the same Oneness .Regards , In Him , Alan <tt> > Dear Viorica , this is the way of Jnana .It is necessary to <BR> intellectually undersst and how Maya<BR> > works .The understanding of the Advaita concepts sink down from <BR> the powerful intellect to the<BR> > heart . This is my experience anyway . Regards Alan <BR> <BR> Dear Alan,<BR> <BR> when I wanted to answer you here it came in my inbox from another <BR> list the answer I was trying to point out in almost same words <BR> I intended to answer :<BR> <BR> <BR> " What I was trying to point out to you is that our rationality <BR> alone cannot come up with an answer about the reason for our <BR> existence. Every time it tries, the answer turns into a matter of <BR> beliefs. " <BR> <BR> What I was trying to point out to you : leave the mind without <BR> any rational explanation ,leave it there by itself , helpless , <BR> alone , unfeeded by any logical rational intelectual answer,<BR> whether it is about the reason for our existence as the quote <BR> states or about trying to grasp mentally that all the worlds and <BR> past - future - present and all lifetimes : all is happening <BR> simultaneously now. <BR> <BR> See what happens . The answer is not to come from me to you<BR> or from you to me. <BR> <BR> One thing that might happen would be that mind's <BR> linearity is broken for ever and it will never be in any <BR> need of any explanation that human reason can provide. <BR> <BR> It is the realm where we are in the hands of our Inner Guide <BR> that alone knows when and how to push and how to guide ,<BR> Inner Guide's answers we can only *know* and from there<BR> knowledge begins and so it is absoultely unique to any human <BR> being . Call the Inner Guide Heart if you like it , <BR> I love to call it the Unknown , the great Rishi the Maharshi <BR> and some other favourite names,<BR> <BR> regards , <BR> vicki <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size="-1" color=#003399><b> Sponsor</b></font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> <td align=center width=470><TABLE WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=250 border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr><td align=center><font face=arial size=-2></font><br> <TR> <TD> <a href="http://rd./M=212804.2460941.3878106.2273195/D=egroupweb/S=1705060\ 955:HM/A=810327/R=0/*http://geocities./ps/info?.refer=blrecs" target=_top><IMG SRC="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/ya/_geocities/lrec2b_1_01.jpg" WIDTH=185 HEIGHT=250 BORDER=0></a></TR></TD> <TD> <a href="http://rd./M=212804.2460941.3878106.2273195/D=egroupweb/S=1705060\ 955:HM/A=810327/R=1/*http://geocities./ps/info?.refer=blrecs" target=_top><IMG SRC="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/ya/_geocities/lrec2b_2_02.gif" WIDTH=115 HEIGHT=250 BORDER=0></TD> </TR></a> </TABLE></td> </tr> <tr><td><img alt="" width=1 height=1 src="http://us.adserver./l?M=212804.2460941.3878106.2273195/D=egroupmai\ l/S=:HM/A=810327/rand=488251922"></td></tr> </table> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <br> <tt> <BR> Post message: RamanaMaharshi <BR> Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- <BR> Un: RamanaMaharshi- <BR> List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner <BR> <BR> Shortcut URL to this page:<BR> <a href="/community/RamanaMaharshi"> Terms of Service</a>.</tt> </br> </body></html> Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.''>http://uk.my.'>http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 We are in harmony on this one I am sure - best wishes Alan <tt> Dear Alan , <BR> <BR> just coming back for further clarification :<BR> <BR> I wasn't actually trying to point out anything to you <BR> or to anybody else , just enjoying sharing an insight <BR> on the list ; like writing a page into a diary that <BR> you want forgotten there but our innate tendencies <BR> for comunication want the 'the forgotten' be shared<BR> with others ; <BR> <BR> so i pointed out nothing but expressed my love <BR> for the Unknown again and 'threw' it in another <BR> form as a letter to this list ,<BR> and enjoyed the dialog with you , <BR> <BR> vi.<BR> <BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size="-1" color=#003399><b> Sponsor</b></font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> <td align=center width=470><TABLE WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=250 border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr><td align=center><font face=arial size=-2></font><br> <TR> <TD> <a href="http://rd./M=212804.2460941.3878106.2273195/D=egroupweb/S=1705060\ 955:HM/A=810373/R=0/*http://geocities./ps/info?.refer=blrecs" target=_top><IMG SRC="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/ya/_geocities/lrec2b_1_01.jpg" WIDTH=185 HEIGHT=250 BORDER=0></a></TR></TD> <TD> <a href="http://rd./M=212804.2460941.3878106.2273195/D=egroupweb/S=1705060\ 955:HM/A=810373/R=1/*http://geocities./ps/info?.refer=blrecs" target=_top><IMG SRC="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/ya/_geocities/lrec2d_2_02.gif" WIDTH=115 HEIGHT=250 BORDER=0></TD> </TR></a> </TABLE></td> </tr> <tr><td><img alt="" width=1 height=1 src="http://us.adserver./l?M=212804.2460941.3878106.2273195/D=egroupmai\ l/S=:HM/A=810373/rand=960775238"></td></tr> </table> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <br> <tt> <BR> Post message: RamanaMaharshi <BR> Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- <BR> Un: RamanaMaharshi- <BR> List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner <BR> <BR> Shortcut URL to this page:<BR> <a href="/community/RamanaMaharshi"> Terms of Service</a>.</tt> </br> </body></html> Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.''>http://uk.my.'>http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 Dear Vicki , just to acknowledge your 3 messages . Wittgenstein once said "after all the words -what remains is the silence " .That is the highest teaching , all love Alan <tt> dear Alan , <BR> <BR> to complete the miniseries - I am not a master in self-control,<BR> I trust it happens at a certain point on the Path of bhakti/self-<BR> enquiry ; till then I would rather sign 'in training ' ;<BR> <BR> regards ,<BR> <BR> vicki<BR> <BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size="-1" color=#003399><b> Sponsor</b></font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> <td align=center width=470><table border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr><td align=center><font face=arial size=-2></font><br><a href="http://rd./M=228862.2128520.3581629.2273195/D=egroupweb/S=1705060\ 955:HM/A=1182719/R=0/* Terms of Service</a>.</tt> </br> </body></html> Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.''>http://uk.my.'>http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 > > MEDITATION > > > > "I AM THAT", perfect ,flawless, and pristine > > Consciousness; see-er,seeing and the seen, > > Para-Brahman,The Absolute Supreme > > Unborn ,deathless ,no longer trapped in dream. > > For this boundless Grace and beatitude > > I am full of love, joy and gratitude > > > > I exist , 'I am' in the here and now > > "I am THAT I am" to my Self I bow > > In the play of life I am the dreamer , > > I am its Producer and Arch-Schemer, > > Director,author,acting every part, > > And screen, yet unaffected in the Heart. > > > > I am the enjoyer of the drama > > In me falls the whole vast panorama > > From atoms to the stars and our great Sun > > The whole universe declares "all is One'! > > I am neither this body nor the mind > > I play a game ,my Self I'm trying to find. > > > > Jai to Bhagavan Ramana our Lord > > Who gives us the atma vichara sword > > To cut the knot of ignorance and sleep > > If we dive down to seek it's source so deep. > > There's nothing to fear,all's perfect and good > > All is unfolding exactly as it should . > > > > > > > > ______________________ > > Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > > http://uk.messenger./download/index.html > > ===== > alan > > > > > > Chat instantly with your online friends? Get the > FREE Messenger http://uk.messenger./ ===== alan _________ Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 CAN YOU RECAMEND A REALLY GOOD BOOK ON ADVATIA. THANKS BILL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Meditation WHEN GIVING up attachment -- pinned to things as ivy tendrils cling to prison wall -- we tend to hear an inner clarion call: "Rest in the flame of Self" the Phoenix sings! "This is your natural state" the trumpet rings! Dwell deep in Consciousness of Real Being. To be a Light of effortless, seeing That I am That I am. The bird starts fleeing to inward soar and safely nest in Heart, Released from snare, the properties of sense. Unveil now the Natural Godlike part within , and in the Self rest; in blissful ease so regain the One illumined, from whence we strayed, and now come back to perfect peace. ===== alan _________ WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Mail Internet Cafe Awards www..co.uk/internetcafes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 , BOOKDET@A... wrote: > CAN YOU RECAMEND A REALLY GOOD BOOK ON ADVATIA. THANKS BILL How about the 'Collected Works of Ramana Maharshi' ?- why not start with the highest ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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